back!! getting old. lets place bets, how long do you think i have?

[seabeyond]

i have to assume no more cussin for me. i loves my cussin and love to play with cussin, but seems the goal posts have once again shifted and no cussin' for me. so, i was going to give myself a good solid two weeks. then i read skinners reply in ATA and i wonder if i simply have minutes. lol

i didnt ask anyone to put my hides in ATA. i didnt ask skinner to give his opinion of my hides. but, since he did, i guess i ought to clarify. cause when we have an opportunity to be understood, then i think we have a responsibility in that.

She told another DU member "who the fuck are you".

i TOLD? i told the poster, a poster with 60 post and less than two months on this board, a poster that went directly after me and bettyellen, two long time posters with insults? i TOLD him "who the fuck are you"?

what i did was ASK a new poster that came into a thread and attacked two long time posters....

who the fuck are you that you know the duers so well, after a couple months?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4520726

i asked a man who insulted betty and i, who he was. because, we know the men that are kicked off du merely change names and we deal with them repeatedly. i wanted to know, who this poster was. surely we should have an even playing field knowing what their previous handle was as their right to insult us meets community standard. yet, asking the poster who he is, is rolling the dice.

and when someone is defining me and my words, use the whole sentence, including the question mark.

i walk into an Op that was all about ridiculing and insulting some of the women on du. well into a thread of posters jumping in to play a game of insulting some of the members of du.

skinners assessment of that post and the juries response was.

The hideable offense is: The jury thought it was rude. (nt)

here is the "rude" comment:

i clearly stated the issue. you clearly said, fuck you. we will fuckin mock and insult you at will

tough fuckin shit to the hypocrisy of it cause does not matter. we will, because we can.

and if you are proud of that manny, so be it. nothing i can do about that. but it clearly shows the hypocrisy on du, and the bullying tactic used.

personally, i thought i was pretty civil considering there was a pretty long thread of duer after duer insulting me and a group of women. but... lets just say that juries decision was that i was rude.

On Tue Feb 18, 2014, 10:49 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

i clearly stated the issue. you clearly said, fuck you. we will fuckin mock and insult you at will
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4520291

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Um, is that what Manny said? This response seems disproportionately OTT.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Feb 18, 2014, 11:09 AM, and voted 5-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: OTT indeed. Seems personal.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Thread was started to provoke and that is what happened...
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

four of the hides have absolutely no explanation. one assumed it was personal, for god knows what reason. nowhere did i see anyone conclude i was rude. i could easily say, it was merely hidden cause my name was on the post. kinda like this juror.

On Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:37 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

another call out behind my back, with polly that LOVES to insult me?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4474403

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Callout of a DUer who was not even involved in the thread to this point.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 10, 2014, 07:47 AM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It was a call-out...
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: If this post gets hidden, Sea goes on another break and the patriarchy wins again.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: OTT
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm sure the alerter noticed the callout of seabeyond in post number 54 by BellaKos and alerted it as well? No, actually, I'm not. Bella dragged seabeyond into a debate in reply to polly7 and polly7 wrongfully targets seabeyond as the offender. Perhaps we can just hide all 3 posters' post in this thread; just like kindergarten when the teacher holds the entire class accountable for the actions of a few? Hide 'em all or hide none. For this instance, leave it.

If this post gets hidden, Sea goes on another break and the patriarchy wins again.

if i am having people vote to hide a post, simply to have me kicked off the board, and reading skinners replies in ATA, i concluded, that with each and every one of my posts, i am certainly rolling the dice.

i do not think that is really what du is about.

this ties into a lot said and not said in ATA. but, we all know people let skinner direct how we as a whole move forward. and i think it is clear, after more than one Op skinner has addressed my hides in ATA, the bar is very very low to hide anything i post.

i read a thread earlier about how our jury pool is lessened for many reasons. i would also like to be clear, with a number of alerts, eventually there are going to be the four that will hide, with no reason. it does not take a brainiac in math to figure that out.

[hrmjustin]

1. Glad your back.

[seabeyond]

34. thank you justin. nt

[MadrasT]

2. Oh lordy, sea... this is just going to get alerted too.

And welcome back.

[seabeyond]

4. am i not allowed to discuss, me being discussed elsewhere? really?

hmmmm. maybe i simply do not get the sense of fairness.

i am sure it will be alerted. i hope the jurors will have the ability to see how very very civil i was. that is my intent.

[redqueen]

16. LOL, you reminded me of Zombie's post about how the jury system works when it comes to YOUR posts.

Just yours, though. We have all seen others get away with SO much worse.


Welcome back.

[seabeyond]

18. i WANT that poem. and i want it now, lol. ya. that. nt

[seabeyond]

5. oh oh oh and i didnt cuss. i only copied my previous sin of cussing to be ... ya, fair. lol. nt

[TDale313]

3. Glad you're back.

Missed ya

[seabeyond]

7. i love your picture. that was our early porn that justifies what we do to women today

do dehumanize, degrade, demean them for our guys to get off on.

oh wait....

that is not fact. just another myth being told. lmao

shhhhhh. maybe i needed a few more days.

[TDale313]

19. Teeheehee That's it

[VanillaRhapsody]

6. use the anti-jury feature...start putting your stalkers on it...

[seabeyond]

8. meh... too many. really. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

10. I understand....I currently have one of mine beating around the bush

calling me a paid shill.....but they are too chicken shit to say it outright.

[seabeyond]

12. ah. well.... seabeyond and a few other? out right is just find. part of community standards.

not all women. not yet.

[hlthe2b]

9. Welcome, sea

[seabeyond]

11. thank you. nt

[Squinch]

13. Heeeyyyyyy!!!!! Good to see you!!!!

[seabeyond]

14. HEEeeeeeeYYY, squincher. so very long time no see,

lol

[DURHAM D]

15. Hi sea. Welcome back.

If you have not put 15 people on your Jury Blacklist please do so immediately.

However, in case you are dumped again and also for those who seem to be leaving DU because of disappointment or disgust, here is a tribute to all the feminists and friends on DU. It has been painful but we are all better off for having engaged in the first place.

[seabeyond]

17. because i knew you.... i have been changed. lol too true.

in so many ways the last couple years awesomely kick ass in growing. good or bad? meh, who knows. it is what it is.

thank you

[ismnotwasm]

24. Agree

Otherwise you'll go through this cycle and again. Let two of your hides drop off. I just put 4 people on ignore for the first time-- I don't usually get hides because I don't post in the epic threads.

But to make DU a better experience there some voices I'd rather not hear. Not ones who just disagree nothing wrong with that but ones who bring nothing to the table


Which reminds me, I forgot one

[DonCoquixote]

33. I second this motion

there is no sense trying to deal honorably with these folk. If they use knives, bring a gun.

[seaglass]

20. Happy to see you here sea :-)

Yeah I was wondering what the difference was between asking who the fuck are you (hidden) and telling another DUer fuck you (not hidden).

Sorry - you take your chances doesn't work for me.

[seabeyond]

35. i have a tough time with.... you take your chances, rollin the dice, when clearly

the field is so tilted.

i agree.

[sufrommich]

21. Welcome back,Sea!

Still feisty as ever.

The jury comment you bolded should get whoever wrote it a permanent ban from jury duty. Skinner can see who writes what and yet that person gets a pass? Unbelievable.

[seabeyond]

22. i was thinkin. certain not in good faith. nt

[seabeyond]

23. and thank you. nt

[Texasgal]

25. So glad you are home!

I've missed you!

Now watch that mouth! LOL!

[seabeyond]

26. lol lol

no one has placed a bet yet though. i am kinda disappointed.

[Texasgal]

27. Hurrumf!

We don't want to bet! We want you back here always!

[seabeyond]

28. you are the best...

[UtahLib]

29. Glad to see you back, sea.

As for that bet, it'll have to wait, since they're busy working their tag team tactic on Baines right now and at the same time opening the eyes of many who may not have noticed in the past.

Some very positive things happening with good people voicing support. Hope it makes a difference. I couldn't help thinking of you when reading some of those threads.

Anyway, happy to see you back.

[seabeyond]

36. certainly. i do watch them go after baines. for sure. and her... lordy if she isnt all the way

on the side of straight arrow trying her best not to get a hide. it should not be so hard to address these issues with concerns of a hide. and yes. i have seen the shift.

what is really f... f... see, right here i should be able to say f.... funny, last time i came back there were the few that just love to insult saying how the period i was away was so quiet. was total bullshit, but was a fun jab for the few.

this time i started writing titles of the flamefest. 3 days, over 30 i let it go. nope. saw no "quiet" period for sure. lol

[cinnabonbon]

30. Welcome back, Sea!

Good that you're home!

[seabeyond]

37. thank you cinnabonbon. i always feel like i am talking in the mirror

when addressing your post, merely for the accusation that is allowed, that you are a sock. my pal. scout and i are one also. meh. compliment to me. maybe not so much for you two, with my "unique" writing style, lol.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

31. Good to see you back, sea

you, wild woman, you

[seabeyond]

38. d, d, d, ... f...! ya. that. lol. that is me.

[DonCoquixote]

32. no explanation given

The signature of someone who is at best a coward, at worst a troll, and who has NO BUSINESS judging in either case.

even a scum like Scalia offers an excuse.

[seabeyond]

39. ya, well... what would fair and balance have to do with anything.

what i love don... even in our disagreements or differing opinions, you walk the talk. i admire that more than a person i agree with on all things. i cannnot tell you.

[PsychoBunny]

40. seabeyond, have you ever considered that maybe some jurors ...

... Are prejudiced against you and vote to hide your posts merely because you refuse to use capitals? I know it sounds silly, but as a student of the human mind I have seen worse rationales for behavior. And, in my relatively short time here at DU I have noticed, surprisingly for a supposedly progressive forum, a stong sense of authoritarianism in many areas. There are those who are opposed to anyone that "doesn't follow the rules." That could explain some of the "no explanation" votes to hide.

Just a thought an an observation from one with an interest in human behavior.

[seabeyond]

41. Ha ha ha. Capitals TOO. No cussin' AND capitals? Just shoot me now.

I hadn't thought of that and though I am sure there would have to be a base feeling that they did not like me, why not, as an excuse.

And I fuggin' live your name.

[seabeyond]

42. Oh, this is funny. The capitals on that post comes with the phone. Nt

[MadrasT]

44. That made me snort tea out my nose.

[seabeyond]

53. just a joy, and such a mess. i hear ya. lol. nt

[PsychoBunny]

46. LOL! That IS funny ......

Even your phone is imposing its rules on you. Next thing you know it will be censoring your posts!

[seabeyond]

54. Even your phone is imposing its rules on you.

everywhere i go. hence the, i LIVE your name rather than i LOVE your name.

[Sheldon Cooper]

49. I don't know if it's the lack of upper case in sea's posts or not.

But I do know there are people who can't be bothered to actually read and understand what she's saying. They think she's saying one thing and it's actually the complete opposite. If they'd be willing to give it an extra minute and read for context and content, they would see that it's not hide-worthy. But alas folks are too lazy or too intent on reading bad things into her posts to be bothered. There's not much in the way of actual deliberation going on with these juries. For some folks all you have to do is write "seabeyond" in the alert and they're pushing the nuke button.

And...hi sea! Welcome back!

[BainsBane]

57. That the alerter got a hide without even bothering to give a reason for the alert

Says a lot. I read that as: Hide this post because it's by Seabeyond.

[Scout]

60. i rarely use them either

someone once accused me and sea of being sock puppets of each other.

right, like i/sea would create a sock puppet and use our same posting style LOL ... we have our faults, but we aren't that stupid!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

62. you and sea? the same person?

how bizarre.

A lot of people don't use caps.

I don't get it .... you and sea .... I never got that vibe.

[seabeyond]

63. lol. of course you did not get that vibe cause that is bull poo poo. lol. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

73. ah, yes ... and my

Bullshit detector is in full working order. Perhaps, bullshit should be included in the ToS

[KitSileya]

43. Well, I am not taking that bet.

But I do hope you don't get anymore idiotic lock-outs. This is becoming absurd.

I think I am going to take your picture of the woman on the patio with the glass of wine, and emulate it in sentiment, if not in fact. I go more for cup of tea rather than glass of wine, and Norway in February doesn't lend itself to any sunset on the patio (it's 7:22 p.m., and the sun is down already), but a blanket, an episode of the new BBC series The Musketeers, and my embroidery seems just as enticing.

(I am a bit dejected after yet another condescending reply to me in Bjorn_Again's thread - I answered, but it is "like teaching a pig to sing - it wastes my time, and annoys the pig," as Robert Heinlein said once.)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

45. ah, Kit

how well I understand

Let them have the last word and Move On. That is what I try to do.

[seabeyond]

55. start drinking the wine at four and you should be able to hit that sunset, lol.

it truly does become absurd when we define ME.... the baddest of the bad. my people just gotta laugh, being a lifetime of.... ya, good. lol.

[ismnotwasm]

47. Actually

I'd rather bet how fast this thread gets over a thousand views. I bet by the end of the day

[seabeyond]

56. look at you woman.... you so kicked tush on that one.

and it was also what thought i might have mere seconds. seem to have survived that also.

i am set to go.

betcha, i can make it until the 27th of march for two more to drop off. piece of cake. i feel it in the bones. all optimistic.

[LanternWaste]

48. Regardless of the idiocy on display in the juror comments, welcome back!

Regardless of the idiocy on display in the juror comments, welcome back!

And I hope you've learned your lesson-- Our little MRA dudes are offended that you use the same language on them that they use on you.

[seabeyond]

58. fuggin' did learn my lesson, by gosh.

right lantern, you made me laugh.

[JustAnotherGen]

50. I'm so glad you are back

I admit - I did a few passive aggressive pokes at people because of that hide . . . *sigh* I didn't think it was right. And I'm still mad about it.

Seeing the jury results - is only going to make me double down.

[seabeyond]

59. it was explained to me that passive aggressive is the way to go. and i can go without hides

if i adopt passive aggressive. then the poster gave me some examples of passive aggressives jabs toward me and our group. lol.

not me.

and ya... you had me cheerin'

[JustAnotherGen]

61. Pay close attention to me

I figured you were watching in the wings and would get a kick out of my "girl" post!

[seabeyond]

64. i always do... pay close attention to you. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

65. The Rules

Agree - on the 'face' of things. "If you say so" is quite effective.

Never do tacit call outs - unless you can hide them in a subthread. Number23, bravenak, and now M0rpheus engage in this activity with me on a regular basis. :rotl: Witness the past two white privilege threads.

When all else fails - just plus +1 what freshwest, ctyankee or Cha have written - they generally tend to be the nicest people around this place.

Lay in Wait - Then ask questions. Or make points. I laid in wait a long time for Bain's purse thread to give me an opening.

Oh - and we are soooooooo talking about the September issue of Vogue in GD this August. That's happening. If I have to bump my own thread 1000 times - it's happening.

[seabeyond]

66. and no figgin fuggin..... gotcha.

why are we gonna be all into vogue this august? but ok, i will be there.

[JustAnotherGen]

67. Someone tried

To take the approach that a certain magazine was just like high fashion. no - no - it's not. And I recalled a member posting about handbags (she's an active poster in HOF) and the usual suspects went up one side of her and back down the other. So frivolity is as frivolity does. They want frivolous? Ohhhhhhhhhhhh boy I'll give 'em frivolous displays of consumerism (stomps feet with fists at the side).

Oh - and another thing -

Use the word f*ck - but evidently saying 'what the fuck' or 'why the fuck' is an alertable offense.

[seabeyond]

68. OHHHHH man, it just clicked. light bulb. you made it go off. WTF is allowed. just like MIFL,

giggles about the rape porn, sex slave, prostitution and all, but never never never say it out loud. i said who the fuck, instead of W(ho)tf. just like a huge tush thread about a person that died in an org. MILF. and ALL the men that jumped into a thread about a person dying, gigglin' all over the fuggin place saying milf, milf. just like the men line up, jumping on their toes, clapping hands, yelling boobies, boobies. lol

and cause i went into the thread and said it out loud, MY post got hidden. you all are laughing at mothers you would like to fuck.... oh. the end of the figgin world.

[JustAnotherGen]

69. Exactly

We can do it - they can laugh about it . . . and sexual violence against women - but heaven forbid we SAY or WRITE it. Then we aren't playing nice and being all 'lady like' and proper and what not etc etc so on and so forth.

[seabeyond]

71. EXACTLY. adn the inherent dishonesty of it does not allow me to hold on or remember this

i cannot. it is too beyond stupid. it is too beyond hypocrisy. it is too beyond a lie. i cannot see or do the world in that fashion. it makes NO sense to me what so ever. that is why ia m repeatedly tripped up. i know the CORE of truth is the simplest, easiest, battle free route. i tend to do that cause i am too figgin lazy to want to mess with a drama of a lie.

so interesting. so so.

you are a BLAST. i love you.

[geckosfeet]

51. at the risk of sounding ____________ (fill in the blank)

Jebus.

Just effin jebus.

[seabeyond]

52. fuggin' huh? lol. fill in the blank. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

70. I know

FFS!

[seabeyond]

72. lol. wtf? sff! nt

[R B Garr]

75. Hi sea, I posted earlier but deleted

so no one can respond to it to what I wrote -- probably better that way. I only left it up for a couple hours after I saw a locked thread in GD this morning that made my eyes roll again. Hang in there, and don't let them bait you into getting posts deleted.

Good to see you back.

[seabeyond]

78. actually i read it and wanted to post on it.

that is what i enjoy about your posts. you are perceptive. that is fun for me. a person that is observant even when not smack in the middle of it all.

ya. i get the things like now, throwing personal attack in a reply, when there is none. prepping a post to be alerted on. since most of the people doing this make me mostly smile, it has changed the game. we will have to go into another direction.

always enjoy hearing from you.

[R B Garr]

83. Great, I'm glad you read it. And thanks for your nice comments. I see your No. 1 fan

is still at in cali's thread today, alerting on almost everything you type and then trying to twist it into an "insult".

I really like CrispyQ's post to you. That is what I've found with your posts, as well. You seem like you have a big heart and you don't deserve this crap that is being flung at you. They seem to be really enjoying keeping you off balance and trying to get you to explain yourself until it goes personal. Hang in there, sea! It looks like you have a lot of support on this site.

[seabeyond]

86. all the friggin time, lol

no more or less than this.

and thank you

[Deep13]

76. unbelievable

the so-called jury system is idiotic

[seabeyond]

77. thank you deep. i think so also. it is fun, when i do not have so many hides, i get to do jury, BUT

i certainly do not take it seriously. and since i think i am the worst of the worst, as far as hides and kicked off du? my bad is pretty darn tame, lol.

[Deep13]

79. All the best people from the Bush era have been kicked off. nt

[Luminous Animal]

80. Its good to see you back.

[seabeyond]

87. thank you luminous.

tis an interesting time

[el_bryanto]

81. DU is a better place with you on it rather than off it. nt

[seabeyond]

88. thank you el. that is a very nice thing to say.

and in agreement or not, i have always met respectful conversation with you. that is always a plus for me.

[CrispyQ]

82. Welcome back.

You have DU stalkers. They are mean & they use your style of writing to attack you when really it's your message they don't like. I can't think of another DUer who takes the shit you do.

When I first came to DU I had problems with understanding your posts, but when I would see your posts get so many comments, I became determined to learn Sea-speak, so to speak. And I'm glad I did, because I have learned so much from you. And HOF in general, but you are part of the heart of HOF.

DU3 is not "New & Improved!"

[seabeyond]

89. thank you crispy.

i know sometimes my posts are hard, and i figure if nothing else, one picks up intent. but, for the most part, i have enough people from all areas of du interacting with me, in understanding, that i know it is not what others make it out to be.

your voice is an equal part of the whole. we all play our roles. this is mine, lol.

[SunSeeker]

84. I don't get it...is it just women who can't curse?

Because there is plenty of cursing on this site that never gets hidden.

Those hides of your posts are dumbfounding.

[BainsBane]

85. PWF

Posting while feminist. You should see some of my hides. I didn't even curse. Then you see the posts of people who insult us that are far worse but not hidden. I used to think it was a general bias of the site, but the hundreds of recs for the anti-objectification threads suggest otherwise. So I'm a loss to explain the whole thing.

[seabeyond]

90. just some posters. and no one knows why they are hidden, really. just feel take away opportunities

to hide, possibly.

i think it has a lot more to do with name, than what is actually being put out. and no, i am not the only one. there are a few in this stupid ass..... ooops, club.

[Sheldon Cooper]

91. Your favorite stalkers are out in full force again.

Caution is the word - they are purposely baiting you, because they want the happy dance when you are gone. Don't bite.

[seabeyond]

92. the alerts are out also. people sharing the results. yes. it feels like that is exactly what

is going on in that thread.

thanks.