supply. demand. 200 girls. demand. the disconnect.

[seabeyond]

i have been having an issue watching the plea for the 200 girls, and who is posting, and the cry out for the girls. girls. stolen. to be bought for a mans use. the demand. these men had a demand. and that demand is being met.

so often on du, such a contentious conversation with the demand. in the u.s.

the demand.

the demand to be able to pay for a body.

the demand to have women strip for a man.

the demand a woman is video'd, submitting, being humiliated, violently used, .... degraded.

the demand for rape porn. that is actually rape. of these 200 girls.

who is the greatest suppler? the third world. who is number one in demand? the u.s. and that comes in the form of prostitute, stripper and porn. men demanding. and pimps providing.

but... here in the u.s. if our demand results in paying a pimp? that is consent. ergo, her being used, against her will cause she was stolen, is ..... two consenting adults.

daily. our girls and woman, and ... boys are stolen. daily. and they are sold. held capitive. used and abused. daily.

when a few of us women discuss it on du, the very people starting these threads refuse, literally refuse that information. at all cost. wrapping slavery up in a pretty bow.

so.... watching these threads have been a challenge. cause ya. 200 girls in our fuckin face, stolen. clear.... what the demad is. and their right to it.

as i know.... that happens daily and we ignore.

so when people say. what would happen if that was the u.s. or white. i think.... what would happen? we would deny. pretend. tell ourselves a story. aggressively deny. verbally attack and accuse. threaten.

there has been such a huge in our face, disconnect here. anyone else?

[seabeyond]

1. another question. these 200 when some survive a decade of this life. and they now have

this as their lifestyle cause they have been so abused and traumatized. young girls, educated, with a brain being used, with a future, hopes and dreams. abused for a decade.

and we find one of these girls, now a woman. and she is selling herself for money.

is she now a consenting.... fuckin .... adult.

[gtar100]

4. I really wish people would get what you said.

Because it perfectly describes the evil of poverty. It changes us into shadows of who we might have been because we do what we must to survive in the circumstances we find ourselves in - that we are forced into. And the sad reality is that this poverty is a result of men taking more than they need or deserve. It is completely avoidable but for the ridiculous, stupid, stupid "beliefs" they have.

[seabeyond]

5. They will not answer. Won't read. Won't think. Cause how do you use a woman knowing...

What does that make them.

[chervilant]

2. I, too, have had enough of the patriarchy,

the sociocultural codification of power imbalance, with women on the slimy bottom of the power pyramid.

Simultaneously idolized and vilified for our sexuality...

Eve, the seductress, causing the downfall of an innocent man...

Thousands of women and children are abducted every year, and enslaved for the sexual gratification of men. If most men are opposed to the enslavement of women and children for some men's sexual gratification, why aren't more men working to stop this?

We must keep news of these two hundred on the Greatest Page, for all women and children worldwide. Thanks, sea for your courage and tenacity.

[seabeyond]

18. they are actually fuggin saying it out loud. and now their demand is, though we know the bullshit

of what they yell out, they want us to be quiet and stupid, on top of it all. insult and say nothing.

the outrage.

just not gunna happen.

chervilant. this is no different than what we in the u.s. do to sex slaves. no different. and look, crickets. and feminists are blamed for boys not beating girls in academics. the repercussion/reward factor is not the same for boys vs girl. boys know they have other worthwhile opportunities to make money. soon... a lot fo girls are going to be figuring that out, with self owned small business. and we will start leveling out in that area too.

i do not know how i digressed so. i am in so many different things right now. i think... it is time i got off the puter and got some things done.

[mopinko]

3. demand for white sex workers in chicago is high.

very connected to the russian mafia around here, and there is a steady supply of eastern european women held in slavery. there was a major bust here a year or 2 ago.
fortunately, our states attorney, lisa madigan, is outspoken in her condemnation of the end users of these products. when she busts, she busts up and down the line.

[seabeyond]

19. yes. canada is the place, for distribution. and the many many many people that must ignore.

refuse the facts. that is why, when i have explained this to particular posters, and then i see their PANIC at these 200 girls, i get a little disgusted and pissed. cause i know. i know, they really cannot see the connection. regardless how close the dots are. fug.... holding hand and point by point.

[mopinko]

27. well, that is a look into their hearts, idnit.

not assuming what i see there, but something personal, no?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

6. just a giant K&R --for the OP and for the Replies as well.

Target those creating the demand.

[seabeyond]

20. geez woman. you are such a rock. nt

[BlancheSplanchnik]

28. :)

And roll! You do!

[DonCoquixote]

7. of course, let us not forget religion

the group doing this is doing this in the name of that nasty sick patriarch, the God of Abraham, just like the Christians do.

I am not saying there would be no sex trade without religion, but in a case like this, we cannot forget the way that religion makes it easier, and yes, the Abraham based faiths in particular.

[Flatulo]

17. Indeed, all three Abrahamic religions celebrate the male as being the superior gender.

I think this point is too often overlooked.

Until we evolve past religion, if we ever do, the teachings will continue to reinforce and justify the patriarchy.

[seabeyond]

21. ironically, sadly, religion is the one place that is actually helping, this is without the demand

of something. syaing, those on du will say that religion, always bad. they make demands of those they "save". but, much of the work in this area is pure wanting to rescue. so in some ways religion is doing a hell of a lot more than our supposed liberal... who is actually created .... demand. insisting on it. demanding, ya that, demanding it. paying the pimp. that makes it consensual.

[Yavin4]

8. Um, There's no connection between this tragedy and "demand" for prostitution or porn here

The tragedy is unfolding in Nigeria, where members of the ultra-radical Islamist group Boko Haram grabbed the girls, most believed to be between 16 and 18, from their dormitories in the middle of the night in mid-April and took them deep into the jungle. A few dozen of the students managed to escape and tell their story. The others have vanished. (Roughly 200 girls remain missing.)

The latest reports from people living in the forest say Boko Haram fighters are sharing the girls, conducting mass marriages, selling them each for $12. One community elder explained the practice as "a medieval kind of slavery."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/01/opinion/ghitis-nigeria-kidnapped-girls/

This is a group of radical, religious terrorists who want these girls as their brides. This has nothing to do with the "demand" for porn or prostitution or anything else.

Unfortunately, tragedies like these occur frequently in Africa. Children are stolen and forced into horrible situations, but this has nothing to do with sex work here in the U.S.

[sheshe2]

9. Most human trafficking related to prostitution

Earlier this year, Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr., announced the formation of a presidential task force on human trafficking involving a new collaboration by the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security and Labor. Calling human trafficking a “modern-day slavery,” he said it was “an affront to human dignity,” adding that men, women and children were being exploited for sex and labor in “virtually every corner of our nation.”

Justice, Homeland Security and Labor are part of a Human Trafficking Enhanced Enforcement Initiative, in which specialized Anti-Trafficking Coordination Teams, known as ACTeams, have been convened in a number of pilot districts nationwide. Under the leadership of the highest-ranking federal law enforcement officials in the districts, the teams bring together federal agents and prosecutors across agency lines to combat human trafficking threats, dismantle human-trafficking networks and bring traffickers to justice.

snip

According to the report, more than four-fifths of the confirmed victims of sex trafficking — about 83 percent — were U.S. citizens, while 95 percent of the confirmed victims of labor trafficking were either illegal immigrants or foreign nationals working legally in the U.S.

The report also said the confirmed victims of human trafficking were predominantly female and that among the confirmed sex trafficking victims, they were “overwhelmingly female” at 94 percent and made up 68 percent of the labor trafficking victims as well.
Most of the confirmed sex trafficking incidents involved the prostitution of children (about 60 percent) compared with adult prostitution (about 40 percent). The report said of the sex trafficking victims, 40 percent were black and 26 percent were white, while labor trafficking victims were identified as Hispanic (63 percent) or Asian (17 percent.)


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/most-human-trafficking-related-to-prostitution/#ixzz30mOhIz5h
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

It occurs in far more places than Africa. These are just stats for the US.

[freshwest]

40. Thanks for that link. And people ask what's being done. Yes, we are in for the long haul.

[ismnotwasm]

10. It's an interconnected attitude of privledge and women's bodies

Not a 'connection"

What kills me is some of those girls were taking physics tests. And now? God knows

[sufrommich]

11. It makes my head hurt and stomach ache

just to think about it.

[MadrasT]

14. Selling these girls as brides *is* a form of prostitution.

There is a pervasive attitude everywhere that women are a commodity and not independent, sentient human beings.

Of courxe it is connected.

Men who think women are something to be bought and sold - and consumed and profited from - exist everywhere.

[seabeyond]

22. you totally missed the point. or you absolutely did not read my OP. any way you look at it,

you are incorrect

[LanternWaste]

39. Is not purchasing a child bride the very definition of 'prostitution'?

"This has nothing to do with the "demand" for porn or prostitution..."



Is not purchasing a child bride the very definition of 'prostitution'? If not, what is the precise (and more importantly, the relevant) difference between the two?

[thucythucy]

12. K & R to give this issue the attention it deserves.

Thanks for a great post, Sea.

[seabeyond]

23. you are welcome. and still. so many do not get this very simple fact. a teaching moment. for me.

thucythucy

your name always makes me feel good, in any given thread.

[sheshe2]

13. There is a disconnect here on the issue of women.

They tell us how we should feel and how we should react. Their words, trump ours. Their need and their demand that we see it as they do. Never taking into consideration that these things have never happened to them. It really is not about them.

Luckily there are many that do take the time to listen and not talk over us.

Thank you for your Op, sea.

[seabeyond]

24. such a disconnect. this thread is strong in voice, though.

They tell us how we should feel and how we should react. Their words, trump ours. Their need and their demand that we see it as they do. Never taking into consideration that these things have never happened to them. It really is not about them.

[sheshe2]

30. Strong in voice, yes...

For the 200 girls and all the rest everywhere, tears. I have a demand of my own, this must stop for all the little girls and boys, it must stop.



We are people not property. I demand that we be treated as such.

[Flatulo]

15. The group responsible for this atrocity is Boko Harum, a radical Islamist group fighting for

an Islamic state ruled by sharia law. This group is responsible for more than 10,000 deaths.

From Wikipedia:

Boko Harium.... is an Islamic jihadist and takfiri militant and terrorist organization based in the northeast of Nigeria, north Cameroon and Niger. Founded by Mohammed Yusuf in 2002, the organisation seeks to establish a "pure" Islamic state ruled by sharia law, putting a stop to what it deems "Westernization". The group is known for attacking Christians and government targets, bombing churches, attacking schools and police stations, kidnapping western tourists, but has also assassinated members of the Islamic establishment. Violence linked to the Boko Haram insurgency has resulted in an estimated 10,000 deaths between 2002 and 2013."

These guys are bad, bad news.

Not to minimize the worldwide problem of human trafficking and sex slavery, but these clowns need to be named.

[seabeyond]

25. "Not to minimize"... i suggest that is exactly what you did. minimize. let me ask you. the stolen

the stolen boys, girls, women..... daily. those stolen daily. do you think those stolen see those you talk about, differently, in cruelty, brutality, ugly, bad bad.... news?

do not be silly. ever person stolen. every child. every woman. and used as a thing, by men..... really do not give a shit if it is those bad bad people, or their bad bad people.

[Flatulo]

29. If I knew the names of every man or group that stole people to sell, I'd scream their names from the

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rooftops as well.

This group, these men, these fucking animals, who stole - stole - these promising young girls, who were studying to be something, they have a name. It's Boko Harum. They think they have an Allah-given right to steal the lives of others for their own purposes.

Anyone who steals the life of a human being for profit, or sex, or labor, or for any reason at all, isn't a human being. They're animals and need to be put down. We need to remember their names.

To not name them gives them a veneer of anonymity that they don't deserve, some nebulous 'they'. Shine a spotlight on them.

I get your OP. You see a connection between the taking of these children in Nigeria and some guy jerking off to internet porn in Oshkosh WI. Maybe. Maybe not. The news is saying this group took these girls for forced marriages to the Boko Harum males.

[seabeyond]

34. i see the theft of our girls, boys and women, being brought to the u.s. to be paid for by men

getting off and using them, paying the pimp, making it consensual.

human beings that have been stolen. brought to the u.s. and sold into prostitution, strippin and porn. to be used.

no DIFFERENT than the 200 girls.

no different... than a single one of those 200 girls. we demand. they supply. we ... are no different. because we turn away and we pretend it is all with consent. and surely, if it is something illegal, the law will do something about it, that would be wrong.

we demand. they supply. out of the 200 girls. and more.

[Flatulo]

35. I believe I understand your position. I just don't see why you'd take issue with shining the light

on one of the groups that we *know* is doing this. We have names, we have places. It doesn't diminish in any way the importance of all the other people who are victimized by this crime.

There seems to me to be a good chance of rescuing these kids with a careful use of force. Should we not do it because there are others who won't be rescued, or even identified?

You're focused on the male demand for sex slavery in every form. I get that, but I want to see this Boko Harum group exterminated and their victims rescued. The two goals are not orthogonal.

[seabeyond]

37. out of all the OPs

all but one poster has been in many conversations ignoring the sex slaves and defending the right to use these women here in the u.s.... refusing to educate themselves that is what they are defending.

because it is in our own back yard, we do not want to hear it.

it is like the india gang rapes. we were up in arms. appalled. disgusted. we were having the same issues in the u.s. gang rapes. but we lessened them. diminished the horror of them. turned away. pretended.... as the people refusing to look that it was not just india, but world wide... were the loudest voice against the india gang rapes.

to me, that is hypocrisy, and offensive and a lie.

the people i was reading starting ops calling for the attention to these two hundred girls are the very same people that time and time and time and time and time again, will dismiss what happens in the u.s. with our demand. cause it effects them. and they do not want to have to consider that.

knowing the posters. knowing their positions. having watched the denial for a time now. and then seeing them start Ops demanding, something be done for these girls...

literally, disgusts me.

[Flatulo]

38. While I understand your feelings of hypocrisy towards people who only show up in solidarity

when there is a calamitous mass-rape incident on the other side of the world, I think I can explain it.

30,000 some-odd people are killed in car crashes every year in this country, but for the most part, they're just statistics, nameless and faceless.

But when a passenger jet goes down and 300+ lives are lost, everybody freaks out. Air travel is still, statistically, the very safest way to get about, and yet, we're all just so horrified when a plane crashes. This is because the death toll is all at once, and so terrible, that we're just in shock that this has happened. But we can picture 300 dead, and empathize. But 30,000? That's just a number.

It doesn't excuse the blind eye turned to the sex trade in our backyards, or even the tacit approval, but I think it does put it into perspective. These 200 children, we can picture their faces, eagerly going to school, learning, growing - all gone. But thousands of nameless, faceless victims - meh.

[mercuryblues]

16. WHAT????

you mean to say they are not "Pretty Women"?



More for those that defend rape porn as being "free speech"

cause I bet if you ask a prostitute or stripper if they would rather make $20.00 an hour laying under some man/providing lap dances sweeping the floor of course the choice is clear.

[seabeyond]

26. yes. mercury. i mean to say. that the prostitutes are not PRETTY WOMAN.

lol. so everyone. put that away.

do you think we have cleared that one up mercury????

lol

[mercuryblues]

31. I hope

the fuck so.


A superficial movie was made so people assume that is exactly what prostitution is. They seem to forget this:

"When you see the movie Deep Throat, you are watching me being raped. It is a crime that movie is still showing; there was a gun to my head the entire time."

Linda Boreman

I hate the term "forced marriage" in these circumstances. IT IS NOTHING LESS THAN SEXUAL SLAVERY. Repeated rape. Using the term forced marriage softens, minimizes and lends an air of legitimacy to what is being done to these females.


I will add, just because this particular group are operating under the cloud of religion they are no different than the ones that that buy and sell women, boys and girls for profit. None of them see others as having the right to exist, beyond being a vessel for their own personal sexual gratification.

[Flatulo]

32. Can you think of any circumstances under which 'forced marriage' is *not* sexual slavery?

They seem equivalent to me. If anything, forced marriage is a subset of sexual slavery.

[mercuryblues]

33. I guess

you didn't understand. I hate the wording because using the word marriage softens the impact of what it is. RAPE under the guise of marriage. It is rape slavery. Not forced marriage.

[Flatulo]

36. Sure, 'marriage' is quite a stretch for the reality of the situation. nt

[ismnotwasm]

41. People raise more hell about GMO's

Sickening.