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theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 07:27 PM Jul 2014

Women's "rights" in the Iroquois Confederation

Just thought I'd pass along a couple of links to articles I've recently read with short excerpts from each.

Women's "rights" in the Iroquois Confederation
http://www.examiner.com/article/women-s-rights-the-iroquois-confederation

(excerpts)
Each group, the Indians and the Anglo-Americans, learned from the other through these official and personal connections. To Benjamin Franklin and others in New England, the Iroquois demonstrated a system of political organization that seemed free of oppression and class, as well as gender stratification. And within the center of the Iroquois culture, was the daily demonstration in practical organization that had eluded the Europeans and their transplanted descendants: a very obvious application of gender equality and a quite natural balance of the roles and responsibilities within male – female relations.

Certainly, the Iroquois women did not fit into the mold that European women were expected to accept in that day and age. By the time other Americans started to study the Iroquois peoples in the 18th and 19th centuries, they realized that the Iroquois women held equal status to men and held leadership positions within the clan structure. It was not by accident that the Seneca Falls Convention in 1848, which is recognized as the foundation for the feminist movement in the United States, took place within the stomping grounds of the Iroquois people. The early leaders of the women’s rights movement were quite impressed with the equality established between men and women in the Iroquois culture.

Amazingly, Iroquois women enjoyed quite many “rights” that women in European society could only dream of having. Iroquois women participated fully in helping to maintain the economic, political, social, and spiritual well-being of their communities and clans. The women served as the keepers of their people’s culture. They served as clan leaders and the tribal leadership was matrilineal, as the sister of the sachems (chiefs or leaders) chose the male successor once her brother no longer held a leadership position...

...In the Iroquois society, women participated in many activities and held responsibilities that were primarily reserved only for men in the European-based culture. Iroquois women could own property and were the ones who actually owned the land. It seemed natural that the land was under the control of the women since they were the ones who tended the crops, and as the Iroquois were an agricultural-based society, women were fundamentally the ones responsible for nourishing the community... MORE

And this article:
The Untold Story of The Iroquois Influence On Early Feminists
http://www.feminist.com/resources/artspeech/genwom/iroquoisinfluence.html
by Sally Roesch Wagner

(excerpt)
I had been haunted by a question to the past, a mystery of feminist history: How did the radical suffragists come to their vision, a vision not of Band-Aid reform but of a reconstituted world completely transformed?

For 20 years I had immersed myself in the writings of early United States women's rights activists -- Matilda Joslyn Gage (1826-1898), Elizabeth Cady Stanton (1815-1902), Lucretia Mott (1793-1880) -- yet I could not fathom how they dared to dream their revolutionary dream. Living under the ideological hegemony of nineteenth-century United States, they had no say in government, religion, economics, or social life ("the four-fold oppression" of their lives, Gage and Stanton called it.) Whatever made them think that human harmony -- based on the perfect equality of all people, with women absolute sovereigns of their lives -- was an achievable goal?

Surely these white women, living under conditions of virtual slavery, did not get their vision in a vacuum. Somehow they were able to see from point A, where they stood -- corseted, ornamental, legally nonpersons -- to point C, the "regenerated" world Gage predicted, in which all repressive institutions would be destroyed. What was point B in their lives, the earthly alternative that drove their feminist spirit -- not a utopian pipe dream but a sensible, do-able paradigm?

Then I realized I had been skimming over the source of their inspiration without noticing it. My own unconscious white supremacy had kept me from recognizing what these prototypical feminists kept insisting in their writings: They caught a glimpse of the possibility of freedom because they knew women who lived liberated lives, women who had always possessed rights beyond their wildest imagination -- Iroquois women.... MORE

Hope y'all will enjoy. I found the history truly fascinating.




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theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
2. This paragraph in particular I found very powerful
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:22 PM
Jul 2014
Then I realized I had been skimming over the source of their inspiration without noticing it. My own unconscious white supremacy had kept me from recognizing what these prototypical feminists kept insisting in their writings: They caught a glimpse of the possibility of freedom because they knew women who lived liberated lives, women who had always possessed rights beyond their wildest imagination -- Iroquois women

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
4. I used to listen to some internet radio programs from native sources.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:49 PM
Jul 2014

The talkers in my favorite ones were women. They said Europeans were all beaten down and their spiritual lives destroyed long ago by oppressive religion.

That they did not who they really were, thus did self-destructive things to each other, other people and the environment. That they'd never known what it was to be truly free.

And they said that both Canada and the USA were made-up nations, not real ones, run by people who would destroy themselves if they didn't accept the natural laws.

I've known some native women and have a standing invitation to go to our state's pow wows. I am unable to attend but I found they resonated with me like nothing else.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
6. To be honest, I wondered that myself
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:03 PM
Jul 2014

That was the way it was presented in the article and I didn't feel right changing it. Don't understand it, though.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
8. It was very odd and it's one thing with which I'm uncomfortable
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:07 PM
Jul 2014

I would prefer to remove the quotation marks but wonder how others would feel about it. To me, they significantly detract from the article.

niyad

(113,302 posts)
9. my first instinct would be to change it, but, I wonder how many would look at it, and take a very
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:14 PM
Jul 2014

close look at the article?

I would be inclined to email the author for an explanation.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
14. Can't seem to locate an addy where I can email him
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 08:32 AM
Jul 2014

If anyone else want to give it a try, I'd appreciate it.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
15. I think
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 02:29 PM
Jul 2014

that the quotes are used to bring attention to that they were considered inherently accepted norms. Where as women still have to fight for rights over their own body in this day and age.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
16. Ah, thank you. That makes more sense.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 06:23 PM
Jul 2014

Though I think there might have been better ways to express that-this is a little too easy to misinterpret.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
13. Native Americans and First Nations peoples were very liberal in gender roles
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 04:04 AM
Jul 2014

Two-spirit people, people who chose a gender role different than their biological gender, were completely accepted within the community. Homosexuality was not uncommon. That is because gender roles were not the insane caricatures they are today. Not all tribes practiced women's equality, but many did as they valued every member's contribution to the community.

Thank you for the thread!

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