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Sun Jan 4, 2015, 02:57 PM

Camille Paglia thinks rape is intrinsic to men’s nature and a lot of men are like, “This is awesome"

(A Salon piece from September)

“The gender ideology dominating academe denies that sex differences are rooted in biology and sees them instead as malleable fictions that can be revised at will,” Paglia explains. “The assumption is that complaints and protests, enforced by sympathetic campus bureaucrats and government regulators, can and will fundamentally alter all men.”

So I am having a hard time engaging with this as a serious idea, so instead let’s casually discuss it as something that is very weird. And then let’s talk about the positive response to the piece from men who are usually like #NotAllMen any time a woman tries to write about violence. And then let’s all take a nap or maybe watch a movie.

Paglia does not think rape culture is real, but she thinks “evil” is very super-real. Apparently “evil” is a more useful lens through which we can view male violence than existing critiques of institutional and cultural norms that condone violence against women.

According to Paglia, “The sexual stalker, who is often an alienated loser consumed with his own failures, is motivated by an atavistic hunting reflex. He is called a predator precisely because he turns his victims into prey.”

After establishing that she thinks that rape is intrinsic to men’s nature, a nature that can’t be changed, Paglia advises women to try to understand “evil” and then stop wearing short skirts because those short skirts activate men’s intrinsic primitive violence boners or something. “[Women] assume that bared flesh and sexy clothes are just a fashion statement containing no messages that might be misread and twisted by a psychotic,” according to Paglia. “They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature.”

http://www.salon.com/2014/09/30/camille_paglia_thinks_rape_is_intrinsic_to_mens_nature_and_a_lot_of_men_are_like_this_is_awesome/

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Reply Camille Paglia thinks rape is intrinsic to men’s nature and a lot of men are like, “This is awesome" (Original post)
ismnotwasm Jan 2015 OP
shenmue Jan 2015 #1
ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #2
dhill926 Jan 2015 #3
BillZBubb Jan 2015 #4
ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #8
seabeyond Jan 2015 #5
Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #6
ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #7
deafskeptic Jan 2015 #9
mercuryblues Jan 2015 #10
eridani Jan 2015 #11
ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #12

Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 03:01 PM

1. My goodness, what an idiot

I read her stupid book in high school. It made no sense.

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Response to shenmue (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 03:05 PM

2. She never does

She has a scientific vocabulary, which is usually unsupported by actual science.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 03:13 PM

3. she's a shockingly ignorant person....

nothing but jargon...

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 03:15 PM

4. Paglia once again demonstrates her massive lack of intellect.

She is, in short, an idiot.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 03:48 PM

8. Yup

A strange one.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 03:33 PM

5. and a handful on du, thinks she is an awesome representative to feminism. they are also the ones

 

that actively derail/dismiss feminists voice on du. the ironic, they would be the first to yell.... not ALL men.

yet. that is what this woman is saying. it is all men.

which is the ultimate insult to each and every man.

as we defend men here and now.

and dismisses the obvious that so many men are not and never were violent, and even more men do not rape.

but, meh....

anything that fits the agenda of dismissing/derailing feminists voice.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 03:45 PM

6. +1

I can not defend all men. I take it on a case by case basis.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 03:48 PM

7. Any man who buys into the debunked theory that he is a 'natural' rapist

Has issues, to put it as gently as possible, although I'm not sure why I should.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 05:55 PM

9. I think Paglia has issues. n/t

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 06:43 PM

10. all she is

is another I got mine, so fuck you. Close the door so no one can come through after me and expose the lies I live by.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:05 AM

11. Molly Ivins on Paglia

http://grigr.com/2011/09/i-am-the-cosmos/

In addition to the intrinsic cultural superiority Ms. Paglia attributes to herself from having grown up watching television (“It’s Howdy-Doody Time” obviously made us all smarter), she also considers her own taste in music to be of enormous significance. “From the moment the feminist movement was born, it descended into dogma,” she told an interviewer for New York magazine. “They stifled any kind of debate, any kind of dissent. Okay, it’s Yale, it’s New Haven in ’69, I am a rock fanatic, okay …. So I was talking about taste to these female rock musicians, and I said the Rolling Stones were the greatest rock band, and that just set them off. They said, `The Rolling Stones are sexist, and it’s bad music because it’s sexist.’ I said: `Wait a minute. You can’t make a judgments about art on the basis of whether it fits into some dogma.’ And now they’re yelling, screaming, saying that nothing that demeans women can be art.
“You see, right from the start it was impossible for me to be taken into the feminist movement, okay? The only art they will permit is art that gives a positive image of women. I said, `That’s like the Soviet Union; that is the demagogic, propagandistic view of art.’ ”

Well, by George, as a First Amendment absolutist, you’ll find me willing to spring to the defense of Camille Paglia’s right to be a feminist Rolling Stones fan any hour, day or night. Come to think of it, who the hell was the Stalin who wouldn’t let her do that? I went back and researched the ’69 politburo, and all I could find was Betty Friedan, Bella Abzug, and Gloria Steinem, none of whom ever seems to have come out against rock music.

I have myself quite cheerfully been both a country-music fan and a feminist for years — if Camille Paglia is the cosmos, so am I. When some fellow feminist doesn’t like my music (How could you not like “You are just another sticky wheel on the grocery cart of life”?), I have always felt free to say, in my politically correct feminist fashion, “Fuck off.”

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Response to eridani (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:24 AM

12. What a incredible find!

Some people you never get over missing and Molly Ivins is one of those people

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