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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:20 PM Nov 2015

A woman's purity certificate went viral. Time to talk about that whole 'virginity' thing

.http://www.upworthy.com/a-womans-purity-certificate-went-viral-time-to-talk-about-that-whole-virginity-thing

Now, I'm not here to knock the fact that Brelyn Bowman had a goal that was important to her that she achieved. But there is something messed up about the, um, measurement of that goal.
Here's the thing: It's impossible to "prove" someone is a virgin using a hymen test.

The basis for Bowman's test was whether her hymen — a membrane in the vaginal canal — was still intact. While the test worked for her, it has long been debunked as a useful tool to determine whether someone has engaged in sex.

There are two big issues here: First, not all hymens are created equal. Some people are born with hymens that are not intact. And, second, even if someone is born with it intact, the hymen can tear due to a variety of nonsexual activities, like horseback riding or gymnastics.

There's no set definition for virginity. People commonly say that a virgin is someone who has never had sex. But what counts as sex?

Does oral sex count? Anal intercourse? Conventionally, people have tended to believe that only penis-in-vagina intercourse counts. But then ... are gay people always virgins? What about people who engage in other sexual contact?

I wouldn't blame you if you're scratching your head right now because it all seems pretty complicated and confusing.

It's hard to parse it all because virginity isn't a biological state. It's a social construct.



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A woman's purity certificate went viral. Time to talk about that whole 'virginity' thing (Original Post) eridani Nov 2015 OP
Do these women never use tampons? uppityperson Nov 2015 #1
Oh dear God. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #4
My mom used kotex extra large with that cardboard tube. I was so happy when I found smaller and thi uppityperson Nov 2015 #6
well, by the original meaning of the word "virgin", this young woman certainly is NOT: niyad Nov 2015 #2
Hey, I like that! nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #5
Yup, she belonged to no man. Not father. Not spouse. Just herself doing what she wanted. uppityperson Nov 2015 #7
'Engaged in sex,' elleng Nov 2015 #3
So stupid it's unearthly ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #8
Sick and weird Oneironaut Nov 2015 #9

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
1. Do these women never use tampons?
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:24 PM
Nov 2015

I am amused with the thought that people who are great are virgins because they've not had the penis in vagina thing happen.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
4. Oh dear God.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:59 PM
Nov 2015

I must have had a hell of a stout hymen. I still remember, vividly, the first time I tried to use a tampon. Never did that again until I was by any definition not a virgin.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
6. My mom used kotex extra large with that cardboard tube. I was so happy when I found smaller and thi
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:21 AM
Nov 2015

ones in plastic applicators, and then they came out with ones without applicators but you had to, gasp, touch yourself! Which was too much for some friends of mine.

I still remember the instructions that came with the giant kotex cardboard applicator ones, and my legs shaking as I tried to make it work.

niyad

(113,303 posts)
2. well, by the original meaning of the word "virgin", this young woman certainly is NOT:
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:26 PM
Nov 2015

What if we used the word ‘virgin’ in accordance with its original meaning?

In her text Willful Virgin, Marilyn Frye offers a sketch of what she calls “wild women,” or “willful virgins,” suggesting that a reclamation of the term virgin is a necessary feminist move. According to Frye’s redefinition, a virgin is an independent feminist who refuses to kowtow to patriarchal norms of femininity, attractiveness, or sexuality. Virgins, she argues, know that “Their sexual interactions are not sites where people with penises make themselves men and people with vaginas are made women.” Rather, virgins are wild and willful humans, not subjugated property. This revamping of the word takes it back to its original meaning, according to Frye:

“The word ‘virgin’ did not originally mean a woman whose vagina was untouched by any penis, but a free woman, one not betrothed, not bound to, not possessed by any man. It meant a female who is sexually and hence socially her own person. In any version of patriarchy, there are no Virgins in this sense.”

https://professorwhatif.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/what-if-we-used-the-word-%E2%80%98virgin-in-accordance-with-its-original-meaning/

Oneironaut

(5,494 posts)
9. Sick and weird
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:52 PM
Nov 2015

I don't get why anyone would care about something like that. It's weird. These people are crazy.

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