Did anyone see this thread? It's hilarious!

[Squinch]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028080064 Someone said they're showing a lot of women's beach volleyball. There followed interesting discussions about the fact that the uniforms showed a lot of skin, and about wicking fabrics and things.

Then someone posted a sarcastic comment about bodies being disgusting and didn't use the "sarcasm" tag. This made all of the usual suspects pour out of the woodword to chastise all those people!!1! who were prudy and being prudish!!!!1!! That went on for a good long time, though thankfully it was punctuated by some intentionally really funny comments by pinboy.

Then a solitary poster said that women's bodies are not for the purpose of ogling.

Well!

They went NUTTY! Again, those who never disappoint opined about how they are men and it's a biological imperative that they should snicker about women's bodies with like-minded men on the internet AND WHY WON'T ALL THOSE PRUDES STOP BEING PRUDY!!!1!!!

Here's my serious question: I actually love to watch them swatting at the mommy-shaped bugs that fly around their heads but that no one else can see. Does that make me a bad person?

[MattP]

1. I like men and women's volleyball

I used to live in seal beach and the tournament was right behind my house I love it

[Squinch]

2. I like it too.

[UtahLib]

3. Having seen it all before,

I think many of us could have written that script.

[MadrasT]

5. Uh-huh. n/t

[boston bean]

7. Madras!!!! Howdy!

[MadrasT]

4. Yeah, I could've written the script on that one, it was quite amusing.

Don't pop 'round DU much anymore, but I just sat there thinking "some things never change".

I guess I'm a bad person, too.

[Squinch]

6. Hey! Great to see your name! We can be bad people together!

[ismnotwasm]

8. Missed that one

Although I will say one of the worst of the usual suspects is NOT on that thread, having been banned for extreme Hillary hate, and an inability to tolerate the idea of a woman president.

[Squinch]

9. I love it when those ones get banned!

[BainsBane]

10. The "they should wear what they want" crowd

Paying zero attention to the complaints by women athletes about rules requiring they wear tiny uniforms to get higher ratings.

Funny how wearing "what they want" only applies to that which satisfies the male gaze. Like all sports, the uniform is determined by the governing association. That shouldn't exactly be news to them. Do they suppose NFL and NBA players wear whatever they want?

Those threads are so tired.

[Squinch]

11. In the filing system, that goes next to:

"Prostitutes are in the business because they really like sex."

But at this point, the funny thing is its just like Pavlov's dogs. Someone says, "Those uniforms don't look comfortable," or "women's bodies are not for you to ogle," and they truly believe they are being attacked by an army of people.

[MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy]

12. Then the rule should be abolished, doh

Beach volleyball’s never-ending joust over bikini uniforms

‘If the <skin-tight> uniform was so great and enhanced your ability to move, then males would be wearing speedos. But they’re not’

The Australian Sports Commission complained to the FIVB after a rule change in 1999, saying the sport’s governing body “introduced uniforms intentionally to focus attention on the athletes’ bodies rather than for any technological, practical or performance-enhancing reasons.” Namely, women were told they had to wear a bikini. The new regulation quickly drew scorn from some top female competitors of the day, like American Gabrielle Reece, who told CNN: “You take one step, that bathing suit goes straight up. You’re always yanking and fiddling.” Reece preferred her long Lycra tights.

But rules were rules. “They were essentially told if they don’t wear it, they don’t play,” Weaving says.

And yet, the majority of the female competitors still choose to wear the bikini, even with other options available to them. “I don’t blame the players,” Weaving says. “That’s really important. It’s not their fault. The blame needs to be on the systemic sexist federation and culture that that’s how women feel they need to dress.”

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I'm not sure whether the rules have been changed for federation play or just for the Olympics - ? As far as I can tell the change is ONLY for the Olympics.

And we should keep in mind that this isn't all just a matter of choice for elite athletes, even if it were.

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Why are girls volleyball shorts so short?

That led to a quick and fraught education on volleyball fashion. My daughter found the shorts she wanted at a sporting goods store, but I was sure she had made a mistake. These were tight, stretchy and short. Crazy short. Cage dancer at a Vegas nightclub short.

Those must be a bikini bottom, I thought, not a piece of athletic gear. I refused to buy them.

This dichotomy comes up again and again in sports from tennis to track and field: Male athletes wear clothes seemingly designed for the activity, while female athletes are criticized for wearing clothes that appear scantier than required.

While this could be due to personal choice, cultural pressure or a calculated ploy for attention (looking at you, beach volleyball), the overall effect threatens to turn female athletes into sex objects. Sepp Blatter, the former head of FIFA and one of the most powerful figures in sports, summed up this attitude while pondering ways to increase the popularity of women's soccer:

"Let the women play in more feminine clothes like they do in volleyball," he said. "They could, for example, have tighter shorts. Female players are pretty, if you excuse me for saying so."

[BainsBane]

13. No, it's federation play

Not just the olympics.

There was even an effort to get women ping pong players to wear that tripe of uniform.

Note that swimmers don't wear bikinis. Why on earth should volleyball players have to?