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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 08:42 AM Apr 2012

The Social Roles of Men And Women

In all societies the obvious biological difference between men and women is used as a justification for forcing them into different social roles which limit and shape their attitudes and behavior. That is to say, no society is content with the natural difference of sex, but each insists on adding to it a cultural difference of gender. The simple physical facts therefore always become associated with complex psychological qualities. It is not enough for a man to be male; he also has to appear masculine. A woman, in addition to being female, must also be feminine.


However, once the contrast between men and women has been increased and accentuated in this fashion, it is usually taken as a further manifestation of biological differences which confirm the need for different social roles. Or, to put it another way, sex differences are used to create gender differences which are then explained as sex differences which, in turn, require gender differences, and so on. This may be no more than circular reasoning, but it is socially very effective. For example, in our own patriarchal society males enjoy a socially dominant position. Thus, from an early age, boys are helped to acquire a masculinity that allows them to assume and maintain that position. By the same token, girls are taught to cultivate a submissive femininity. The resulting difference in the male and female character is then described as inborn and used to defend the existing power arrangement. Only those who accept it are normal, and only they can expect to succeed. The male social role is designed to reward masculine men, while the female social role offers its relative advantages only to feminine women. (The aggressive man will run the bigger business; the pretty, agreeable woman will find the richer husband.) In other words, masculinity and femininity are gender qualities which are developed in response to social discrimination. However, once they have been developed, they justify and cement it. The masculine and feminine gender roles mutually reinforce each other and thereby perpetuate the inequality on which they are based. Obviously, this psychological mechanism can operate only as long as the behavior of men and women does not transgress the generally accepted limits. Every society tries therefore to prevent such transgressions by calling the socially defined gender roles "natural", eternal, and unchangeable. Any person who refuses to accept them is persecuted as a deviant and punished as an offender not only against society, but against "nature" itself. An historical example of such deviance is the case of Joan of Arc who, as a young girl, not only led the French army to victory over the English, but also wore male clothing. In her later trial she was promptly accused of having thus violated the laws of nature.

Over the centuries, many people have, of course, wondered why allegedly "natural" roles should need such rigorous social enforcement. After all, if they were truly natural, they would "come naturally" to both men and women. However, it is noteworthy that the advocates of the so-called natural inequality of the sexes resent nothing more than letting "nature" take its course. Yet, if their arguments were true, there would be no need to deny women equal opportunities, since they would be unable to compete with men. If women were "naturally" inferior, men would have nothing to fear. Therefore, the fact that many men do fear such competition raises sufficient doubt as to the validity of their claim. The truth is that human desires and capacities have a tendency to go beyond the narrow limits of our traditional gender roles. Indeed, it takes a constant combined effort by all social authorities to keep this tendency under control. Such social control appears not only externally, in the form of parental guidance, peer-group pressure, and law enforcement, but also internally in the form of concepts and values which determine the self-image of every individual, and it is in the individual mind where the confusion of sex and gender can create the most serious problems.

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All of these views are based on a wrong conclusion drawn from a false assumption. The false assumption states that women are naturally passive, while men are naturally active. The wrong conclusion asserts that every passive person is playing a feminine role and that every active person is playing a masculine role. However, in actual fact neither sex nor gender need be characterized in this fashion. After all, in some human societies the role assignment for men and women is the reverse of our own. In short, there is nothing "natural" or definite about our sexual stereotypes. By the same token, full human equality will not be achieved until it becomes conceivable to both sexes that active and passive attitudes can be appropriate for either of them, and that even two "active" or two "passive" partners can have a rewarding relationship. This does not mean that, in an ideal future, all human differences will disappear. Indeed, once the old stereotypes have been discarded, the differences between individuals within each sex are likely to increase. Furthermore, under conditions of social equality, these individuals may also happily continue to play different gender roles. There should be no need to point out that there is nothing wrong with gender differences as such. They can greatly enrich our lives, as long as we understand that, in human beings, "different" does not have to mean superior or inferior. In other words, those who demand equal rights for men and women are not asking for drab uniformity, but for a social climate in which variety can flourish without being exploited.

http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/ATLAS_EN/html/the_social_roles_of_men_and_wo.html

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The Social Roles of Men And Women (Original Post) seabeyond Apr 2012 OP
Thank you for this, and all of the fem articles you've been posting lately, seabeyond.. left coaster Apr 2012 #1
thank you left coaster seabeyond Apr 2012 #2
ha, coincidence iverglas Apr 2012 #3
I've been thinking so much about sex, gender and society lately. BlueIris Apr 2012 #4

left coaster

(1,093 posts)
1. Thank you for this, and all of the fem articles you've been posting lately, seabeyond..
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:34 AM
Apr 2012

..your efforts aren't going unnoticed.. at least not by this progressive American woman they aren't.. please keep on!

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. thank you left coaster
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:36 AM
Apr 2012

i appreciate that. i am learning so much, lol. i am reading about joan or arc, right now. cannot fathom how some young, 16 yr old got the approval to go to war. it is very interesting.

thanks.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
3. ha, coincidence
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 07:44 PM
Apr 2012

I watched St Joan on the weekend. From the play by Bernard Shaw, a one-time atheist turned mystic, with a screenplay by Graham Greene, a one-time atheist turned RCer. Oh, and with Richard Widmark cast as the weak Dauphin, which I thought a bit of casting against type!

On the age thing, keep in mind that a 16-yr-old was very much an adult in the era in question. Life expectancy at birth was probably in the neighbourhood of 30 years. And children didn't go to school, of course; they (unless they were noble) worked in the fields or the home (which was a place of production rather than just consumption), or others' homes, as soon as they were able.

By the time the Dauphin, Charles VII, assumed the throne at 26 in 1429, all his elder brothers had predeceased him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_VII_of_France

Born in Paris, Charles was the fifth son of Charles VI of France and Isabella of Bavaria-Ingolstadt. His four elder brothers, Charles (1386), Charles (1392–1401), Louis (1397–1415) and John (1398–1417) had each held the title of Dauphin of France, heir to the French throne, in turn; each had died childless, leaving Charles with a rich inheritance of titles.

Joan is certainly interesting, and definitely a real historical figure. She heard voices that delivered her god's instructions. We'd call that delusional ... or lying ... but she certainly succeeded in her projects beyond what one would expect of a delusional person! Assuming that she really did the deeds attributed to her, and wasn't just a figurehead.

The 100 Years' War is pretty incomprehensible stuff. Charles' son Louis XI was still mixing it up with a Burgundy years later ... whence my second favourite song from high school choral stuff, from The Vagabond King:

Sons of toil and danger,
will you serve a stranger,
and bow down to Burgundy?

Sons of pain and sorrow,
will you cheer tomorrow
for the sons of Burgundy?

Onward, onward, swords against the foe!
Onward, onward, our lily banners go!

... And to HELL with Burgundy!



Anyhow -- come back and tell us your conclusions about Joan when you've read; I'm definitely interested, even if it does mean hijacking yr thread.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
4. I've been thinking so much about sex, gender and society lately.
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 12:21 AM
Apr 2012

I thought I was...done having to learn new things about that subject, but I guess not! We are never too old to learn, I guess.

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