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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 12:01 PM Oct 2017

Steve Scalise, Constitutional Scholar?

Scalise, a victim of gun violence, spoke on FOX about the Second Amendment. In part, he said,

“It’s what our Founding Fathers envisioned. If you go and look at the writings of our Founding Fathers, they believe strongly in the rights of people to arm themselves for self-defense,” said Scalise. “And that’s something that’s still strong today, and you see threats against it.”



What the Founders envisioned? Except for the inconvenient fact that the Founders actually envisioned an armed militia, a well-regulated and state-based militia. And no standing army. And there was no national police force and very few local police forces.

I cannot imagine the Founders envisioning a society where a minority of terrified gun owners feel the need to own more and deadlier guns to defend themselves against all of their imagined enemies.

I cannot imagine the Founders envisioning a society where schools see the need for metal detectors and security guards to protect children from violent individuals who can easily obtain weapons of all types.

I cannot imagine the Founders envisioning a society where obtaining guns is easier than obtaining health care.
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Steve Scalise, Constitutional Scholar? (Original Post) guillaumeb Oct 2017 OP
another fucking moron. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #1
Rex Tillerson might agree, but not in public. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #2
I'll bet Rex and Steve are on the same page mountain grammy Oct 2017 #6
I have already written this POS DK504 Oct 2017 #3
An excellent question. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #4
And our right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness? Do they count? pwb Oct 2017 #5
No, Scalise only counts money. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #7
He has no clue in this. They feared a standing Army. underpants Oct 2017 #8
Thank you. I will explore the book. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #11
Thanks for the thoughtful OP SCantiGOP Oct 2017 #9
Not the Cherokee casino!!!! guillaumeb Oct 2017 #10

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
6. I'll bet Rex and Steve are on the same page
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 12:13 PM
Oct 2017

Free market, regligious zealots, etc., they have a lot in common, and they're evil and wrong, but not stupid.
trump is just stupid.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
3. I have already written this POS
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 12:06 PM
Oct 2017

SOB barely survives a shooting but is totally okay with 50 people murdered in Vegas. WTF is wrong with people?

underpants

(182,788 posts)
8. He has no clue in this. They feared a standing Army.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 12:26 PM
Oct 2017

Armies were the dregs of society and were often used to consolidate power. The Third Amendment gives a lot of the context to the Second.

I highly recommend this

The Second Amendment A Biography
Michael Waldman

https://www.amazon.com/Second-Amendment-Biography-Michael-Waldman/dp/147674744X

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
9. Thanks for the thoughtful OP
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 01:59 PM
Oct 2017

I would like to separate weapons into two categories: self-defense and hunting for civilians (rifles and handguns) which would be controlled and registered; and everything else for law enforcement and military only.

If we get to the point where we are once again scared of the French or Spanish encroaching on our territory, or we are being threatened by hostile Indian tribes (the Cherokee NC casino is only two hours from me) then I would reconsider.

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