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Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 OP
rrneck Aug 2013 #1
Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #2
rrneck Aug 2013 #3
Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #4
Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2013 #5
rrneck Aug 2013 #6
Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #7
Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2013 #8
Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #9

Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:49 AM

1. Which ones are the five year olds.

I haven't studied Nietzsche, but I don't think ‹bermensch can be reduced to "take what you want".

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:16 AM

3. True that.

It beats the hell out of some stupid formula cartoon that just promotes some equally stupid toy tie in.

It reminds me of this kid.



He's either a genius or he just took a giant bong hit.

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Response to rrneck (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 08:35 AM

5. Unfortunately, that is what the ‹bermensch can be reduced to

According to Nietzsche, if I am the ‹bermensch and you are the Untermensch and you commit an act which injures me, you are acting immorally. However, if I commit the exact same act, but it benefits me, I am acting morally. Any ethicist who says that the morality of an act depends on who the actor is can reasonably be said to be spouting crap.

No moral values apply to the ‹bermensch. The desires of the Untermenschen mean nothing at all. If the ‹bermensch wants to murder Untermenschen in job lots, that is just fine. The Nazis put that idea into practice -- leaving murder, torture, looting and general immorality as their legacy. It can certainly be argued that the Nazis misused this idea. However, it is the basis for the train of thought that led to Buchenwald, and Nietzsche cannot be absolved.

The basic problem I have with Nietzsche is that Nietzsche's denial of ethics means that anyone can call himself an ‹bermensch and "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law". So there is not just a direct line from Nietzsche to Josef Mengele, but a direct line to Aleister Crowley as well.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 11:03 AM

6. Now look what you've done.

Now I have to read the damn thing.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:50 PM

7. According to Nietzsche, if [...] you are the Untermensch

So, you're saying Nietzsche either coined or used the term Untermensch?

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Response to Sanddog42 (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 9, 2013, 05:42 AM

8. Yes, it was the Nazis who coined that term

I probably should have said "non-‹bermensch". It makes no actual difference to my argument.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 9, 2013, 05:57 PM

9. Now I'm confused

Can't anyone be an ‹bermensch simply by electing to follow their own rules?
If so, then who are the "non-‹bermensch" to whom Neitzsche was referring?
In other words, who did Neitzsche say was fair game for ubermenschen to prey upon?

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