I'm out of here

[SheenaR]

I'll sign up at JackPine

I respect a few of their supporters but I loathe the rest. My day is actually made worse by reading their bullshit

People leave for a while and come back to troll with multiple OPs daily that are explicitly designed to bait us. The vulgar language and insults get saved by a horrible jury system.

I came here because I thought it was different from where I was. I was wrong. I love all of you in this group. But seriously,
F*ck them.

I'll never vote for her and its another reason I'll be heading out. I'll stop in occasionally but I'm out. Bernie or bust for this Democrat of 20 years.

[StandingInLeftField]

1. It's very disappointing, isn't it?

We'll see you a JPR. Sad to see the end of the Democratic Party, but perhaps something much better will emerge from the muck.

The lotus only blooms from the mud.

[Gregorian]

2. Stay a while.

You've added a lot to this forum. If you leave we will lose one more voice of reason.

Also, this isn't about an election. This is a movement that will continue after the people vote.

[marew]

3. I just did that yesterday. n/t

[BernieforPres2016]

4. If I hadn't put many dozens on Full Ignore and used the Trash Thread features

I would be gone with you. They are the only things that have made this place tolerable. I only have to add a few new names a day now. I'm sure I will end up at JackPine (have already registered but not posted yet because the website is a little bit awkward to get used to) and will see you there.

[Ned_Devine]

5. Stick around

Many of us are in the same boat as you, but we'll come out strong on the other side of this. The "full ignore" button is your friend, so use it!

[mindwalker_i]

6. In all fairness, I can see why Hillary supporters feel the same about us

They're outnumbered, and there's too much history that can't be ignored. They have to see all the posts by Bernie supporters "trashing" her all the time. That being said, Hillary has a lot of bad history. Supporting her seems to be more a matter of faith in the Democratic Party (D) than about her positions. Hell, how can you support her based on her positions when those change hourly?

I've been here since 2001, mostly lurking, and have seen multiple campaigns come and go. When I look back at them, I have to come to the conclusion that, while painful, this is good for us.

[Old Codger]

10. Maybe so

I know she has been trashed here by some Bernie supporters, but I don;t know of any that called her a motherfucker., if I had seen that from anyone I would have alerted on it myself, that post being allowed to stand is pretty much the end for me here , I will stay here til Bernie drops out if he does but hen am gone and most likely completely out of all politics for quite some time..

[mindwalker_i]

13. Understandable

It seems to me that what BErnie stands for is something we drastically need. The people with money are actually destroying the economy by either sucking more money out of us - the regular people - or my preventing us from having money (flat wages). The idea needs to be bigger than Bernie, though. Unfortunately, it's painfully clear that the Democratic party is too bought off to address the problem.

Somewhat recently, I joined the DSA (democratic socialists), and that seems like one venue to keep the idea alive. My impression is that people really want some outlet for anger and being screwed over for decades, and DSA might be provide it. It doens't seem like the problem will go away but will, in fact, get worse until it's solved one way or another.

[Ivan Kaputski]

14. It really is about class warfare, 2% vs 98%, Anti establishment party on both sides.

[ladjf]

27. I disagree with your comment about hillary supporters feelings.

There is a huge difference between the two groups. Bernie's people are constantly fighting dirty tactics. Bernie uses no dirty tactics.
Our candidate can't be bought.

[mindwalker_i]

37. The tactics of Hillary and Bernie are mostly a separate issue

... with regard to Hillary's supporter's feelings. However, there is some spill over as each group takes on some of the attributes of their respective candidates.

[ladjf]

38. I'm trying to get your point but have failed.

My point is that Bernie fans are continually trying to put out fires created by statement which were either false of misleading.

Bernie does not put out false information. Clinton's support are busy trying to create an impression of Bernie that is not accurate.

[mindwalker_i]

39. Yeah, that's definitely true

See: auto bailout. It does seem like Hillary supporters take on some of her worst qualities.

[Bjornsdotter]

7. Yep, I get it

I've signed up over there but haven't posted.

I put my first person on ignore because I was tired of seeing the same thread posted multiple times a day as if it were a new one. I don't miss seeing it.

See you at JPR!

[jillan]

8. Nooooo Don't leave me! I was at that point the other day but couldn't do it.

Just stay in here, don't go out there

[cantbeserious]

9. Understand Completely

eom

[dana_b]

11. I've thought about it too but why not just pop in here sometimes??

Stay out of GDP - seriously - it's toxic. Because I enjoy your posts and HATE to lose another good poster!!

[retrowire]

12. Take a breather, join JPR, refresh over there and then come back when you can.

The thing is, this is a much more widely accessed website and people who aren't members come and read it all the time.

If we allow their bullshit to stand unchallenged, then this place will be overrun with David Brock memes all day. And no one would know any better.

You're one of the good voices here, so just leave if you must, but do reconsider for a moment.

[olddots]

15. when I joined I stayed in the lounge

where people knew who they were and didn't come to play cyberdisinabition argument games , then the argue patrol started to come to the lounge and start flame wars .Thats when I left first during the overkill leading up to 2004 . Humor is just comisseration with good timing and we liberal progressives better keep our sence of humor because this country is digressing into fuedalism .

Notice how non liberals have no sence of humor , do the fake laugh and avoid how bad things have gotten for the 99%

Please stay we need your humor because Hillary is like Dennis Miller = someone who sold out and lost their humor and soul .

[lark]

16. Enjoy your next stop.

I won't miss another of the "if Bernie doesn't win I won't vote for the Democrat" folks. This just seems like national suicide to me because if the Dem doesn't win the R does and I don't know if our democracy could stand another triple R threat. Hope you can live with that because I certainly can't. Now, if you are going to "Clinton is a R", then you haven't been paying attention to what the R's are these days and are again endangering us all.

I totally agree that Bernie is the candidate we've all been waiting for, I donate and support him and will 100% vote for him in the primary. However, if we aren't fortunate enough to have him as our D general candidate, I'm still voting for the D because she's miles better than the batshit fascist R's.

[Saviolo]

28. Hear hear

Bernie is the best choice in my mind, but for the love of all that is good, please look across the aisle at the other side.

It started as a clown car, but now it's a full-on mental breakdown over there. If any of those lunatics seized power in the upcoming election, the damage could be immeasurable. The USA would be digging out for generations.

Please, #VoteBlueNoMatterWho

[chapdrum]

17. Bernie or bust is absolutely it.

I was shut out of the HRC group (didn't know I was in it).

The jury system may not be perfect, but at least it exists.

Right; we'll get change with HRC, just like we got with Obama.

[certainot]

31. "bernie or bust" is a republican trolling campaign

and only republicans think we can afford another 4 years of global warming with more republican fossil love and deregulation

[jwirr]

18. I'm over at JPR also and think they are our future but I still

come here to defend Bernie and read the news. I see JPR as a place were we can back Bernie when the campaign is over so that the movement continues - no matter who wins.

I also do all my donations from there now.

[Omaha Steve]

19. Here is the JPR link

http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php

[bernbabe]

20. Just stay in the Bernie Sanders group

that's what I do.

[turbinetree]

21. I will not let the Third Wayers beat this movement down.........................

United We Stand Divided We Fall----------------------thats what they want................

Honk-------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Mufaddal]

22. Aw man

Just do what I do: Have a massive ignore list. I tried over at JPR but just haven't been able to manage two sites at once.

[davidthegnome]

23. Take a break.

Come back though. We need progressive voices here. There will be a lot of trash talking and ignorance and even hate during the primaries, but things will eventually settle down.

The jury system does have it's flaws, but I believe the intent is to be democratic, to practice democracy even here on a message board. Perhaps things should be re-organized in some ways and I hope that admin has some thoughts or plans as to how. Some of the things I've seen posted here in the last couple of months I never would have imagined I'd see posted at DU... and allowed to remain. I've seen people on both sides say some despicable stuff, but for the most part these people are simply passionate about who they support and why. Most of it isn't personal... I don't think.

As for the Bernie or bust thing... I absolutely respect your right to vote however you choose, but I would urge you to reconsider that position. Some times it's a level of magnitude. I don't like Clinton, I don't think she would make a very good President, but I believe the republican front runners would be almost unimaginably worse. Some times voting for the lesser of two evils as we see it... really is the best option.

I'd love to vote my conscience every election. However, when the opposing party is so extreme as to be insane, insanely dangerous, destructive to an already overwhelmed environment... my choice is made for me. I cannot, in good conscience with-hold my vote, or vote third party, not when so much is riding on this election - even potentially, the fate of the entire human race.

K & R. Wish you would stick around and help us fight for Sanders here. Don't let the haters drive you away, you are liked, respected, accepted - and appreciated by many people here.

Whatever you end up doing, you have my sincere best wishes - have always enjoyed reading your posts, DU will be a darker place without you.

[Duval]

24. It is sad and disappointing.

Glad you'll be stopping by, though. Maybe things will calm down and you'll stay. You'll be missed.

[bbgrunt]

25. Hey, you're one of the good ones that helps keep

the rest of us sane here. I totally understand your frustration and need for a vacation, but don't be gone too long. DU is read by many, many people who don't post. You'll never know how influential and appreciated you are here.

[ladjf]

26. I'm never voting for a crook again. nt

[jtuck004]

29. Just a note: It doesn't even start to get difficult until President Sanders takes the oath.

This is all just a warm up. So don't let it get to you too early.

[RobertEarl]

42. That is the Truth, jtuck

The shit will it the fan in the GE and then be spread everywhere when he takes the WH.

The only way to survive and win in politics is sticking with it all the way. Our opposition here is nothing compared with what's coming.

[mountain grammy]

30. See you over there.. good site.

I like it, but can't give up DU.

[redruddyred]

32. jackpine is awesome

much better quality of post.
i love the DU tho, and find it made more than bearable by, like, placing obnoxious petty arseholes on full ignore.

[Jester Messiah]

33. This is where the fight is.

But I understand how it can wear on the spirit. Taking a breather can help you get your smile back.

[AtheistCrusader]

34. Don't leave. Give it two weeks, watch the tone change...

[deacon_sephiroth]

35. it wouldn't be so bad

if the Hilary supporters would have a decent intellectual discourse, but I never see that. I see a lot of baiting, a lot of plugging ears and chanting I CAN'T HEAR YOU. A lot of laughing smilies, a LOT of laughing smilies. why the hell are you laughing at us exactly? Because we believe in a better future, a real democracy, an America that's not an obvious and unabashedly corrupt oligarchy? You know who laughs about that? THE OLIGARCHS. No one else should have the nerve or cynicism to laugh in the face of people trying the change our nation for the better. It's confusing, disgusting, infuriating, and no one can blame you for not wanting to be involved in it.

[Betty Karlson]

36. Sorry to see you go.

I wish the mods weren't so in the tank for Clinton, just so they would deal with this baiting and bullying coming from their candidate's supporters.

[SheenaR]

40. I want to thank everyone

For the kind words.

We are in this together. You can count on me to stay. It's frustrating but selfish of me to leave this group.

But I will be making my way over to JPR

Hugs to everyone

[swilton]

41. Sorry to lose your voice

You're not alone in voting choices should Bernie not prevail

Please return - we need you!