Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumOne characteristic that I think unites many Sanders' supporters...
We are genuinely offended by the way the system is rigged. Unfairness still bothers us. I think even if Bernie had won Arizona, most of us speaking out now would still be doing so. It may be tilting at windmills in some cases, but if so I'm proud to say I still think the system can and should be more fair, and not just to be looking for how to exploit the unfairness or overlook it cause it benefits me.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,611 posts)I'd like to think we have ethics, whether it directly benefits us or not.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)People used to want to leave things, the earth and other people's lives better than we found them. Isn't that what life is about?
I can't ignore injustice, cruelty or disregard for others. What happened in Arizona was outrageous and we need to fix it so no one else has to endure anything like it again.
Together we can do this.
The Gordon Gecko's of the world can fuck off!
jillan
(39,451 posts)And we finally have a once in a lifetime Presidential candidate that understands us.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Too many believe change is not possible or is too risky. People with more to lose (older, more financially comfortable) prefer stability. Upsetting the apple cart, even for the change they want, is terrifying.
Some have less to lose or are unafraid of change. Going along to get along is how you survive a rigged system and if you're doing it for years and have future plans in set that context, when a rare chance for actual change comes along, it's a threat to your sense of security.
A lot of people want change but with a smoother, safer transition. Problem is, it doesn't exist ... Bernie is the best we are gonna get. I truly believe we can do it now and have an easier go than letting a dysfunctional system get even further entrenched, if it survives at all, that is.
In the end, we will get the President we deserve.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)We don't just vote and say "that's it".
We strive for the more perfect union.
I am damn sure proud to be hanging with you folks!
suffragette
(12,232 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)The AP called the GOP race for Trump with only 4% of precincts reporting, especially when Cruz was ahead in the exit polls (not as far ahead as Bernie was in front of Hillary, but still ahead). It's impossible to have a true democracy with a corrupt press, and injustice in all of it's forms is infuriating.
Is there any outrage on the GOP side about the way these primaries have been conducted? I don't have and repug friends or family members, so I have no clue as to what's going on there.
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Nay
(12,051 posts)looming environmental problems and cannot depend on old guard politicians to address them.
I personally think it's too late for the human race, and it's just as well. Maybe the next set of intelligent mammals will do better, but probably not. They'll have their run, and be replaced as we were.
This election determines whether we will be able to fight back against climate change, whether we will continue to flirt with World War III, and whether multinational corporations will be able to use WTO courts to tell our city and state government what to do and whether the future would mean mass poverty for America.
shireen
(8,333 posts)their future is going to be most affected by this election.
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)People who value those three things are very much attracted to this campaign.
lostnfound
(16,177 posts)I remember being told that I was a citizen with rights and obligations to participate in our government, long before being taught that I was a "consumer".
I'm no millennial.
I'm a fallen Catholic... All those people out there struggling to cope with the increasingly tilted playing field are my brothers and sisters. All those stupid wars and anti-democratic coups are targeting people who are my brothers and sisters too.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Or is that just another facet of the same thing?
I do think Sanders supporters are progressive, and a basic tenet of progressivism is increasing dignity of all, which obviously includes fairness.
Looking at the Clinton coalition, it seems to include leadership of groups who have defined themselves as disenfranchised and needing to be part of a bigger coalition... in the face of contrary evidence they remain hopeful leaderhips at all levels will yet serve their interest.
Looking at Sanders supporters, which include many, perhaps even mostly Independents, it seems a common feature is distrust/disillusion of leaders who spend more energy creating organizations that empower and serve their elite status.
AmBlue
(3,110 posts)And this is why I've spent more than a decade of my life working for election verification. We need a neutral, fair and verifiable playing field for elections. It's absolutely essential to our democracy.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)That means insuring people can vote and feel confident their vote was counted accurately, and it means campaign finance reform and getting the huge amounts of money out of the system. Without that you can't really start to tackle the other issues in any real way.
AmBlue
(3,110 posts)Says the choir.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)I was not a big Gore supporter but I remember being horrified by what happened to peoples' votes. Jim Crow laws coming back and the VRA being destroyed. It's un-democratic and I think anyone who cares about true democracy would be at least suspicious of what happened in Az two days ago.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)And even the people who have sold out, if they still have a conscience, they would vote for Bernie.