Please sign the petition and vote in the poll:

[Lorien]

https://pivotamerica.com/poll-3-way-race-hillary-trump-sanders-vote/

[thereismore]

1. Incredible numbers. Are only Bernie supporters computer literate? nt

[Lorien]

3. Nah, just jives with what the actual split is.

when the MSM isn't helping a certain someone to steal it.

[HereSince1628]

2. I'd rather see progressivism help the Dem party rediscover itself

I'd like to see Sanders get a chance to run for electoral college delegates, but I'm not even sure how that could even work outside a party establishment.

The whole point of being unaffiliated is no structure, without structure how does an independent even identify electors?

Daunting I think to pull off in a couple of months, while trying to win majorities in all the states and eligible territories.

[Lorien]

4. I've been trying to do that for 36 years

and we just keep losing ground and pitching to the far right.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right


Working inside the establishment never works.

[HereSince1628]

5. Working inside the establishment vs taking advantage of an existing infrastructure

aren't the same strategies.

Seems that's the reason Sanders made the decision to run from within the Democratic party the Democratic Socialists haven't the structure to pull it off.

If nothing else Sanders has pulled millions of people toward democratic socialism while keeping free of some of the entanglements with existing socialist political structures.

There's nothing wrong with cultivating that inside the Democratic party.

[Autumn Colors]

7. It's too far gone, I think (nt)

[HereSince1628]

8. yes, the current establishment is 'way gone' for progressive interests, but

the party has an infrastructure and it is established itself to be on ballots and to have functional conventions pretty much all across the US and it's territories. It doesn't require creating everything from scratch.

That makes considering a deliberate attempt to grow 'movement progressives' inside the democratic party, worth thinking about before tossing it away.

[Autumn Colors]

10. Starting from scratch seems better to me

Just my 2 cents.

Like I said, too far gone.

[HereSince1628]

11. I respect that you have a different opinion. I just think progressives must be influential by 2016

mid-terms. Doing that by identifying and running candidates in primaries against neo-liberal corporatist dems, provides an immediate opportunity and a structure to work within, all across the country.

We could be well into that soon after the Sanders campaign ends in Nov. by constructing a Progressive Coordinating Committee that can helps progressives coalesce and identify suitable candidates and help get them them on their various statehouse or national offices, but with a distinctly progressive push. Sort of like the Wellstone Bus, but with a progressive purpose.

There's much to do, and keeping the task a manageable size would be helpful. Moreover, We wouldn't need spending time or resources trying to get organized enough to be able to gain independent ballot access to participate in existing primary elections.

[Scuba]

6. Bernie by a nose with a small advantage of only 90% as of this writing.

93% Bernie
3% Hillary
3% Trump

[Lorien]

9. Thanks! I couldn't see the tallies

when I came back to check it later.