My bro, who I'm continuing to 'splain Bernie to, texted me today about the awful interview with

[JudyM]

Charlie rose yesterday. I don't have time to watch the whole thing... Does anyone have a good take on it?

I'm pleased that he at least watched it, but sounds like maybe that wasn't a good thing.

<<on edit, I've watched it and unfortunately agree with my brother. Not a good showing for bringing over an undecided voter, yech. >>

[bbgrunt]

1. I happened on part of it last night. It wasn't that

Bernie was bad, but Rose had his holier than thou accusatory shaming finger in Bernie's face--trying to make Bernie the aggressor in the "change of tone" of the dem primary. Bernie made his points cogently but Charlie wouldn't let up.

[JudyM]

12. Yeah, just watched... It was pretty ugly. Feeling bad for Bernie. After the great week he has just

been having a horrible few days with the press.

[rgbecker]

2. Charlie Rose spent most of the time telling Sanders how feel and behave.

The guy cannot stop talking long enough to let his interviewees speak. Sanders was interrupted numerous times as he explained he was responding to Clinton's attacks about his qualifications for presidency. Sanders was gracious with praise for Hillary and freely said she was qualified, of course, but he felt he had to respond to her campaign's attacks.

I have yet to hear Clinton state that Sanders is qualified to be president.

[JudyM]

3. Was the only negative side of it about that one issue?

[rgbecker]

7. Here's what I saw of it...if you can stomach it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511677186

[appalachiablue]

15. The New York Power Media has a job to do and Charlie, ultimate Establishment Guy got

his orders like Mort Zuckerman's NY Daily News editorial staff, take Sanders down before the upcoming primary.

A year or two ago on the CBS morning show, all Charlie Rose had on his mind when Elizabeth Warren was a guest was making sure he put her in her place.
He kept blurting and interrupting the panel discussion to get in "you, you told me backstage before that you were a 'Troublemaker', is that right?"
It was painfully obvious, forced and awkward, so Elizabeth finally nodded graciously with a slight smile, to give Charlie what he needed. Very wise woman, Elizabeth Warren.

[JudyM]

16. Yes 'take Sanders down' is definitely what it looked like.

Never saw that interview with Warren. Do you suppose that Bernie expected a more neutral interview? I'm sure he's wiped out from all the traveling and speaking, but he never really got back on top.

[appalachiablue]

17. While campaigning now in critical NY, my sense is Bernie will do as many media

appearances as possible, even Rose whose style is well known, for the benefit of exposure. Last night you probably saw the super job Jane did with Rachel Maddow, no easy feat! and Bernie later with Seth Meyers on NBC. Seth has been very good with Bernie so far (much better than Colbert!) but even he was a bit more formal I noticed. That Bernie is seen as a very serious candidate now is without a doubt.

Last night both NBC show hosts went right to The Big Story ('disqualified') and Jane and Bernie were excellent. Comes with the turf; I couldn't do it for sure. Hopefully the Sanders will get some downtime soon since they've been conducting a tremendous amount of work with a frantic campaign schedule. During this season Bernie often flies to engagements in three time zones, all in one day!

[JudyM]

18. He is amazing... Multiple speaking engagements in different time zones.

I missed that Rachel-Jane interview. I'm glad Rachel was polite, by the sounds of it..

[appalachiablue]

19. Here's my OP on the Rachel-Jane interview last night: comments & Video in post #33.

Zebonaut also posted it in Video & Media. Your brother sounds very selective. Besides Bernie's many powerful barnberner speeches and the debates I'm trying to think of another interview that showcases Bernie's strengths for your brother but am not coming up with so much right now. But there are plenty. CBS' John Dickerson has always been fair and professional with Bernie and all.

TRMS, Jane Sanders Guest, April 7, 2016.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280168390

[appalachiablue]

23. Bernie's a wise, exceptional & fearless fighter. The movement grows & we're in good hands. :)

[delrem]

20. It all depends on us, that we're educated to be wary of their tricks.

So we keep on message.

Both Warren and Sanders are excellent leaders in that way, in not only staying focused themselves but in helping us stay focused and determined - or at least those of us who are attuned to the same issues as they espouse.

This 2016 US election cycle has attuned me to the power of money and fame.
Nothing in my life prepared me to be faced with a pic of Kim Kardashian's selfie with Hillary Clinton, on the front of those weird tabloid/movie/exploitation magazines that they flog at the cashier stations of supermarkets.
This being a centerpiece of Hillary Clinton's campaign. It was part of her campaign.
It didn't give me a pounding headache. I survived it even though I don't understand it, or like it.
Maybe I'm like a cockroach in that way, that I can survive just about anything.

[appalachiablue]

22. I'd forgot the Kardashian event, a new low definitely! Your cockroachiness is

an admirable quality and will serve you well. Seriously, wish it was one of my features but alas not the case. Sensitivity can be a drag but fortunately I've been around, survived and even learned from some survivor wolves "and have the scars to prove it!".

[delrem]

24. Lower is Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger.

This is not unlike the olden days when the pics were of Cheny, Condoleezza, and the gang.
I think I can take it, Hillary Clinton and Robert Kagan, smiling for the shoot.
__________________

this is an aside:

Am I STUPID for distinguishing pics of the Obama family as being different, as being uplifting?
This is in spite of my having "policy differences" with Obama's admin.

[bjo59]

29. Typical Charlie Rose!

I can't stand watching his show because he asks the questions and then answers them himself. Totally insufferable!

[sketchy]

4. Bernie did well in the interview, from what I've seen and heard about it

Through the first 6 minutes, and he is handling it well. Doesn't let Charlie railroad him.


Here's a link to it:

http://charlierose.com/

[JudyM]

13. Thanks, just watched. It's pretty bad, actually, IMO. Rose kept hammering him and bringing up

the NY tabloid article and over and over about the Clinton qualification issue, challenging Bernie on how he will pay for his agenda and only gave him three minutes to talk about his platform, before dragging him back into the mud. Seems like Bernie wasn't expecting such an aggressive interview.

My brother's impression was that Bernie wasn't answering and didn't come off as presidential at all.

[pandora nm]

5. I was disappointed in Bernie

When Charlie pressed him on whether Hillary was responsible for Iraq war deaths -
Bernie backed down and said no.

I wish he had said:
Yes it was tragic. Those who supported the invasion of Iraq are WAR CRIMINALS
and have hundreds of thousands of deaths on their hands.

This was my most disappointing moment with Bernie so far.

(i really hate Charlie Rose)

[JudyM]

6. That would've wreaked such havoc within the party, though, probably why he hung back, eh?

[TexasBushwhacker]

8. I agree. That's for the voters to decide n/t

[delrem]

25. Correct. The USA is not at any point willing to admit to the tragedy of its recent wars of choice.

Most citizen/voters are hardly aware of what the US has done.

This is Hillary:

"And I believe that at the same time that we have to make clear to the Iraqis that they have been given the greatest gift that a human being can give another human being – the gift of freedom. And it is up to them to decide how they will use that precious gift that has been paid for with the blood and sacrifice and treasure of the United States of America."

Hillary Clinton favorably compared the US war of choice on Iraq to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

How out to lunch is that?

[JudyM]

30. ! Nt

[TexasBushwhacker]

9. Did your brother watch it?

Or is he just going by what the Times or some other Hillary shills said about it.

[JudyM]

10. No, he said he watched it. He's been a dem his whole life and dislikes Hillary and doesn't feel

much of an affinity for Bernie.

[SheilaT]

11. I didn't see it.

I figured out many years ago that Rose is basically some sort of right-winger.

But to call Hillary responsible for the Iraq war deaths is dumb. Yes, she voted for the war, but so did far too many others in Congress. They share in the blame, but it is the lies that Bush and is evil cohorts told to convince the gullible that we needed to go to war who are the real culprits here.

After all, there are those trying to hold Bernie Sanders responsible for the Sandy Hook deaths, because he doesn't think gun manufacturers should be held responsible for their guns being used to murder people. And I think that's correct.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a nut case on gun control. I think guns should be outright confiscated, or at the very least far more stringent conditions on who should be able to own them. Meanwhile, the gun manufacturers are just being good capitalists. This seems similar to the cigarette makers, but really is quite different. Cigarettes, when used exactly as intended, result in an astonishingly high rate of disease and death. Guns are not sold only to kill people, even though they're quite good at that. There are those who hunt. There are those who think they really need one in the home for defense. While I may not be crazy about hunting, and I am inclined to think the need for a gun for home defense is vastly overplayed, those are my opinions, and others disagree.

Anyway, as much as I think that all those who voted for the Iraq War were wrong, they are not the ones who should be blamed.

Much of what Hillary did as Secretary of State however, is condemnable and she should be held responsible.

[JudyM]

14. Yeah, Bernie never got control of the interview enough to hit Clinton on anything squarely, nor to

make a strong case for his candidacy.

Knowing the back story and details of what's going on with the issues Rose kept raising, I no longer have respect for him as a journalist.

[SheilaT]

21. Too bad.

I know I lost respect for him years ago.

I think he has a reputation for being a liberal, which is totally undeserved.

[JDPriestly]

27. There is blame enough to go around and Hillary gets part of it.

But more important is the lack of judgment and lack of independent thought and lack of courage to vote for what is right that so many of Hillary's stances including her vote for the Iraq War indicate.

She was also against gay marriage until some time between 2011 and 2013, and considering that she is a lawyer and graduated from an excellent law school, that is incomprehensible to me. Marriage has been recognized as a fundamental right since the case Loving v. Virginia which was decided in 1967, and how any lawyer could think that the right to marry should depend on the genders of the two people deciding to marry is beyond me.

My suspicion is that Hillary was opposed to gay marriage because she lacked the courage to say out loud that since marriage is a fundamental right it cannot be denied based on gender.

Her vote for the Iraq War was also an act of cowardice. She did not have the courage to tell her New York constituents who had been so personally hurt by 9/11 that there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein really had anything material to do with that terrorist attack.

We need a president with the courage to tell us the truth. Hillary is not that kind of person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia

[JudyM]

31. You make excellent points.

I am not convinced that she personally agreed with the concept of gay marriage, though -- not insofar as it being a matter of constitutional right, but in the same way that Scalia would conveniently dismiss and dispense with legal precedent and constraints that he personally disliked.

[JDPriestly]

26. Give your brother a copy of the book, Outsider in the White House by Bernie Sanders.

It's a good read and tells at the same time the little known history of Bernie, how he got into politics, how he brought people together as mayor of Burlington, Vermont, how he gets things done in Congress and what his ideals and thoughts are.

The interviews are attacks, not interviews, for the most part.

Bernie's book is the best introduction to Bernie. I assume your brother is somewhat knowledgeable about the issues and politics.

Try it.

[JudyM]

32. Interesting idea, thanks! He probably won't give it the time, unfortunately, with his schedule

and I get the sense that this interview made him lose interest. Bernie came across as very much tit for tat and dodgy; IMO he needs more sleep before going on potentially antagonistic interviews.

[bjo59]

28. Didn't watch but Charlie Rose is absolutely insufferable, no matter who he's interviewing...

so I don't have difficulty in imagining that it might not have been a great interview.

[Equinox Moon]

33. This will never happen to Bernie again

This is Bernie's first National campaign. The heat is turned up exponentially. One way to look at it, Bernie now has that under his belt and is better prepped for the one-on-one with the repubs nominee for the general election.

The repubs politics are criminal. When Bernie goes up against their nominee he is now better prepared to handle that level of heat.

Bernie... we got your back!

"We The People"