Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders is still the true Democratic front-runner. Ask the FBI
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)the louder her supporters will scream for Bernie to exit the race.
What they're trying to do is use her nomination to inoculate her from indictment.
TOUGH. It's not Bernie's fault she's corrupt and being investigated by the FBI.
PEACE
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BERNIE
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I watched that new half hour video released today by Anonymous about Hillary's crimes. It's pretty stunning seeing all the corruption in that presentation. And they didn't even get to the server.
840high
(17,196 posts)Rincewind
(1,203 posts)has repeatedly stated that they are not investigating Hillary.
greymouse
(872 posts)They are just in pause mode.
If, God forbid, she winds up President (puke), it would be interesting to see her impeached. With Bill that was bogus, but with Hillary, well deserved.
Bob41213
(491 posts)I am pretty sure they will not tell you or anyone much of anything. At best they'll be vague and give Hillarians some wiggle room so they can say it's a normal security review.
But, we have a fair bit of circumstantial evidence that they ARE investigating her. For instance, the State Department recently suspended their investigation into Clinton's classified indiscretions so they wouldn't step on the FBI's toes.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)FBI Reveals New Details About Its Probe Into Hillary Clinton's Use of Private Email Server
https://news.vice.com/article/fbi-investigation-hillary-clinton-email-server-details
Report: FBI Investigates Hillary Clinton for Corruption
"http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Report-FBI-Investigates-Hillary-Clinton-for-Corruption-20160418-0027.html".
Hillary Clinton remains under FBI investigation for her use of a private email server
http://www.inquisitr.com/2991830/hillary-clinton-fbi-investigation-hillary-will-likely-avoid-indictment-and-obama-may-be-rigging-the-process-to-help-her-out/#rr6GJga2bU8IaYLZ.99
Inside the FBI Investigation of Hillary Clintons E-Mail
http://time.com/4276988/jim-comey-hillary-clinton/
Bombshell: Clinton Foundation Donors Flight From Justice Aided by Hillary Allies
http://observer.com/2016/03/bombshell-clinton-foundation-donors-flight-from-justice-aided-by-hillary-allies/
State Dept Halts Clinton Email Probe Due to FBI Request to handle it.
http://www.jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14183:state-dept-halts-clinton-email-probe-due-to-fbi-request&catid=110:national&Itemid=293
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TexasBushwhacker
(20,185 posts)Is it about winning the nomination or winning the Presidancy? Because if they think that the GOP isn't going to remind voters that she is being investigated by the FBI, they are decisional. Unless she is exonerated before the convention, they will be all over her about this and every other bad decision or shady deal she has ever made. Frankly, I'm not sure it will even matter if she's exonerated. They will be all over this.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)We have the FBI and the Justice Department
The FBI has its own prestige and history to protect. They wouldn't spend so much time on this case, using its resources, agents and budgetary constraints if they didn't think it was leading anywhere. So the case is still unfolding and must be leading to other aspects that many in the public are not aware of but like an octopus must have many arms extending from the original head that started this investigation, one arm such as the State Department and The Clinton Foundation's improprieties. The FBI are meticulous in Forensic investigation and each piece of the puzzle leads to another clue or piece of evidence to investigate.
The FBI also has its own insider infighting among its organization with political agendas and bureaucratic turf fights. However the investigation has been going on for how long now? That means its finding stuff that mandates they continue it.
No matter what we think about the FBI is not a slouch organization as has higher standards and qualification requirements than the Secret Service, ATF or other investigative branches of the US govt.
The Justice Department
has the same infighting and political self interests but they are in a bigger political quandary being less independent than the FBI in regards to the President's wishes and direction. Therefore I think they want the FBI to be absolutely precise in whatever they find before its presented to the public. and it will be presented that you can count on.
President Obama's legacy is at stake with
this since he nominated her for the office.
I do think he was force to give her the job as a caveat
for her support in winning the 2008 election.
In the end this whole affair will reflect badly on Clinton's reign as Secretary of State as either incompetent, dishonest, corrupt or all three. Hands will be slapped by the Justice Department but with no penalties or fines just like they do with the Banking Cabal. But in the end it will have electoral and political repercussions that reverberate beyond this affair on levels we haven't even considered yet.
Now the timing of the release of the FBI and Department of Justice findings is gonna be interesting. Will it be before or after the primaries? One could influence the primaries and the other could influence the general election.
I don't know. when they will But I'm sure this political consideration is being weighed by TPTB.
Go Bernie
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)What about the bankster crooks who crashed the U.S. and world economy?
What about those who committed torture on war prisoners?
What about the trillions of dollars worth of tax scofflaws?
The rich and powerful are often "above the law"!
So that premise is wrong. Hillary Clinton may well be "above the law." She's a multi-billionaire now, thanks to her 'service' as Sec of State and to Goldman Sachs' largesse and that of others.
Here's another possible scenario: The Republicans, morons though they seem to be, had finally got onto her private server and understood its implications to national security and as to illegal Clinton Foundation dealings, and were going to pursue it beyond "Benghazi! Benghazi!", and so the FBI took the matter up, a) to get it out of the hands of Congress in Clinton's coronation year, and b) to protect Clinton, as well as protecting Obama's scandal-free legacy. ??
I don't know which is true, that the FBI are involved in a real investigation, which could result in their recommending indictment of Clinton (and I think there is reason to indict--the Saudi arms deal/Clinton Foundation connection alone should be indictable), OR the FBI is protecting Clinton and will exonerate her of any wrongdoing, and cover everything up.
I don't know where Obama stands on Clinton in general and on indicting Clinton. Could be either way. He is a hard man to read. He has reason to loathe and even hate Clinton (from the '08 primaries, from endangering his scandal-free legacy and from clusterfucks she created in the ME and in Honduras/LatAm that Obama and Kerry seem to be trying to remedy). But he is most certainly an Establishment figure--is with her, for instance, on TPP--so, where would he stand if the FBI recommends indictment? I don't know!
I don't know where the CIA stands on Clinton in general, and on her breaches of national security, let alone her dirty arms deals. This could be the most important opinion of all. I have a FEELING that the CIA doesn't like or trust the Clinton's and wouldn't want them back in the White House. She wants to smash Iran (like Rumsfeld & Cheney); they want to infiltrate it. That is their mode. They were not happy with Rumsfeld and the Neo-cons. She's a Neo-con and has the chief Neo-con, Robert Kagan, as her advisor! (--not to mention Henry Kissinger). Do they want that kind of trouble again? Hillary outing their agents if they disagree about smashing somebody? Hillary with her outside-government-channels secrecy? The CIA (or a powerful faction within the CIA) opposed the Iraq War. Indeed, the Bushwhacks' WMD crapola was why the Bushwhacks went after the CIA counter-proliferation agents. Clinton supported the Iraq War. I think it's possible the CIA didn't want her to win the primaries back in '08 and helped Obama. Can't prove it. Just a feeling.
If the CIA and the FBI are on the same page, that could mean indictment. They may have been waiting to see if Sanders could knock her out before they moved on an indictment. (It's dicier for them, politically, to indict a winning presidential candidate, than one who is losing or dropped out.)
But these are very hard things to know. It's guess work. One thing that is NOT hard to know--it is plain fact--is that the electronic voting systems that were rushed into place during the 2002 to 2004 period, all over the country, were very, VERY riggable, and still are. Their first purpose was to keep Bush/Cheney in power in 2004. They were controlled largely by one, private, far rightwing-connected corporation--ES&S (which bought out Diebold, to bury that name)--and run on their 'TRADE SECRET' code, with virtually no auditing. I don't think the CIA would allow that to go on very long without taking control of it. And they were literally at war with Bush/Cheney at that point (2003, year of the outings; and 2004-2006, the Fitzgerald investigation and the ousting of Rumsfeld; also curtailing of Cheney as to nuking Iran).
I DO feel, very strongly, that we should continue to support Bernie Sanders, and do everything we can to win him the nomination. I think that is still possible. NY was not that big of a set back. More primaries to come, including CA (which the Clinton machine may find it harder to rig than NY and AZ). (Their rigging seems to involve disenfranchisement of voters, rather than direct control of the 'TRADE SECRET' code by which the votes are 'counted'.)
If--a big IF--the FBI recommends that Clinton or her aides be indicted, then, of course, Sanders will have a good shot at the nomination even if he doesn't have a surefire delegate count. He will be the only one standing--and he has a far better chance in the GE than she does anyway. It would actually be the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic Party.
But, bear in mind, that, if he doesn't have the pledged delegates wrapped up, they could choose someone else. The party bigwigs clearly oppose honesty in a Democratic candidate. They are almost all involved in the Clinton pay-to-play game. Would they pull such treachery? Of course they would. Wiser heads may prevail as to tearing the Democratic Party to pieces. But the threat remains, unless and until we oust these sort of party bigwigs.
Best thing is to fight for every vote and every delegate, at this point, and try to win Sanders the nomination outright. Do not count on the FBI to hold Clinton accountable. She is one of the rich and powerful.
One other thing: Special prosecutor Fitzgerald prosecuted Cheney aide 'Scooter' Libby for the CIA outings. He stated, in his last press conference on this matter, that "there is a cloud over the vice president's office" but that this was "a political matter" and not his venue. In short, he could have gone after Cheney and didn't for the very reason that Cheney was an 'elected' official in high office. The FBI may be similarly reluctant to go after Clinton, because she has so much Establishment support (the Neo-cons, Wall Street, the MIC, most Dem pols) and especially if she wins the nomination. They would likely be accused of interfering in the political realm.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Justice does the indictment thing not the FBI. The FBI presents the evidence to Justice so its in their court and it will be interesting to see which prosecutor this will be assigned to. Justice is still infiltrated with Bushites and Obama appointees and they will decide if or not to take it to a grand jury.
I expect a slap on the wrist and maybe some underlings taking the fall in minor penalties but in the end it will not reflect well to the general public and taint the election which no political spin can reconcile.