Bernie Sanders
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Other branches of the federal government sure have a lot of say in these elections don't ya think?
Obama (who appointed them to those branches) and Hillary are tight so advantage status quo...advantage Clinton.
FBI email issue is too cozy for anything to materialize even though it certainly should.
It's ugly watching big money work.
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haikugal
(6,476 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)He knows what kind of person she is, which could make him cautious (to protect himself) but could also make him willing to let the process take its course.
I don't think he likes her; I think he is wary of her and Bill.
It is interesting that Joe Biden was mildly critical of Hillary today.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)I'm serious.
No bullshit.
senz
(11,945 posts)If you think I am, then please tell me why.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)I'm so happy Bernie is getting a National stage I could scream!
It's the message...that is what resonates. A new wave is coming. Not a slow train.
To keep Bernie's message out there, he needs to stay in to the convention and we need to do everything we can to counter the liars who are trying to invalidate his message by invalidating him and intimidating his supporters. It's visible on this site. You probably saw where the hill camp is paying huge sums to people who "address" any Bernie supporters on Reddit and Twitter who dare say anything about hill. They're going all out to shut us up.
But on the bright side, I've heard about Bernie-inspired groups sprouting up all over. That has to be encouraged.
Each of us in our own way needs to do whatever we can. It's only a few months out of our lives, but so much hangs in the balance.
And I do not think a hill indictment is entirely out of the question.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)You guys remember the "beer summit"? I learned a lot about Barack Obama from that. For those that forgot, Harvard Professor Henry Louis gates was harassed and arrested by police for the crime of entering his own home in Cambridge. when a Reporter asked Obama about his opinion, obama responded truthfully, and accurately - the police had done something stupid.
Immediately HEADS EXPLODED. President Obama hates police! he wants to protect criminals! Oh look at the angry black man, protecting black criminals! he wants police officers to die! All of this this hurled at him like beer bottles at bad concert. How does obama respond? he backs down, apologizes, gets Gates and the arresting officer together over a beer, all becomes water udner a bridge.
Except... I don't think it did become "water under the bridge." here's the most powerful person in the nation, maybe hte world, the first African American to get so far.. .And he's being made to tip his hat and shuffle back a few steps in his first year in office, to clear the way for police abusing another black man. That... doesn't get a "forgive and forget" - not from anyone, ever. Presidenrt obama took a step he apparently thought he needed ot take, for the sake of politics, but i don't imagine he's let that just pass udner the bridge.
Hilalry and Bill clinton dumped indignity after indignity on the man in 2007-08. They ran the most racist campaign since George Wallace against him. they started Birtherism. They circulated rumors that he was a Muslim gun-grabber who palled around with terrorists and believed "god DAMN America!" They tried to de-Americanize him, they tried to demonize him, they made him quit his fucking church, for crying out loud. Don't think that's forgiven or forgotten.
After the election, Clinton almost assuredly threatened to fuck up the Convention somehow - either campaigning as an independent or some intra-party civil war bullshit. She was bought off with a big cabinet position and her choice of staff. Don't think that's forgiven or forgotten.
While head of the state department, clinton appears to have actively worked to undermine Obama's foreign policy agenda. Remember his Middle east tour? Remember his speech in Cairo? Now compare to the State Department's reaction to the Arab Spring. Doesn't really jive, now does it? Look at how she pressed him to intervene in Libya, what happened there. Look how little diplomatic progress was being made anywhere... and then look how ll of that turned around when she was out and Kerry was in. clinton was working to sabotage Obama from within the State Department. don't think that's forgotten or forgiven.
After she was put of the State department, she put her mouth to work criticizing him, undermining him from the outside as well, attacking Obama on Syria and Iran. Don't think that's forgotten or forgiven.
And now, she's been campaigning, trying ot use him as a shield one moment (despite all that has come before) and a scapegoat the next. You think he's forgiving or forgetting this?
I don't. I think his patience is the stuff of legends, but I don't think he's actually letting it "pass under hte bridge." I think he's doing what he did at the "beer summit" - He's taking these punches to the face, and smiling, not because he enjoys it, not because he forgives it, but because he feels he has to do so, for the sake of hte party.
Biden seems to be the less patient of the two, but he's just as leashed by political needs and expectations in this as the president is.
The Clintons have made themselves eminently unlikable. Unfortunately like most useless middle management types, they have combined utter unlikeability with thorough integration into power structures.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)I've often wondered how and why Obama gave Hillary the SOS position considering the terrible, dirty campaign she (and Bill) ran in 2008. You've helped me finally understand. Thanks.
senz
(11,945 posts)Thank you, Scootaloo, for an important reminder of Hillary's history with Obama and what it has done to Obama's presidency. I agree that "his patience is the stuff of legends," and I've never gotten the impression that he actually likes Hillary.
If I were him and had a say in whether to indict and prosecute, I'd want to make sure the case is airtight before making a decision, and I'd keep my cards close to my chest.
It disgusts me that her supporters try to tie her at the hip to Obama, and I'll bet he receives that bs either with a silent growl or perhaps cynical amusement. I hope he considers the country and the world as he ponders what to do about Hillary.
You are correct that the Clintons are basically middle management types who have managed to integrate themselves deeply into power structures. Neither of them has an ounce of true leadership or vision or grounding in something larger and more worthwhile than themselves. They are small people who have worked the system to their, and only their, advantage. What scares me most about Hillary is her impulsive recklessness and lawlessness. She doesn't seem to understand the concept of responsibility and the greater good. She's frightening. Her followers are frightening, too; they're almost beyond comprehension.
You contribute so much to the discussion, Scootaloo, you are perceptive and thoughtful. You have the ability to retain the meaning of events long past the news cycles that flash by. I wish you'd share more often and hope you share on other media. What we say, if we say it well and often enough, can affect and guide the thoughts -- the reality -- of others. We can pop phony memes and help form new ones. We need some intelligence in the discussion.
