My reaction to Hillary supporters, or anyone else, telling me I MUST vote for Hillary

[Bubzer]

NOTE TO JURORS: This is a Bernie Sanders Group post.

[Kalidurga]

1. Normally I am in full support of bridge burning

But, not when it comes to making a party stronger. And all the stuff I have been reading about Camp Weather-vane's attempt to shore up support for the Democratic party. Well I don't think dissing more than half the Democratic voters is going to cut it for party building and unity.

[bvf]

3. What was once the Democratic party

will have to fill the void created by Clinton's constant insults though the influx of Republicans, horrified at their own party's prospects.

Our major parties (if not already) will soon be:

1) The Democratic Third Way/relatively sane Republican/Yee-haw War Party, and

2) Slack-jawed booger eaters

Choose.

[Bubzer]

15. And they wonder why there are so many independents

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[bvf]

19. Yep. And I'll bet they see a spike in their numbers soon.

[abelenkpe]

14. If they want support

Calling young people apathetic and impossible dreamers isn't going to help. Comedians, pundits and political figures telling Bernie supporters they're stupid, childish and irresponsible isn't going to help. Seriously if you want support you dont insult the people you're asking for support. How difficult is that? I love the way some already blame Bernie supporters for letting Republican's win as if their own ugly behavior isn't what drives people away. Want democrats to work and vote together? Stop driving half of them away. Change tactics or lose.

[Silver_Witch]

26. +1000

Exacrly

[obamneycare]

37. "...more than half the Democratic voters" and the majority of Independent voters

Clinton's core base of support is actually quite narrow within the broader electorate. It is hard to overstate the folly of her campaign and the DNC antagonizing Sanders supporters and Independents, when these groups are clearly essential to a winning coalition in November. Independents now constitute the overwhelming plurality of the general electorate, and Independents overwhelmingly favor Sanders over Clinton.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx

Democratic, Republican Identification Near Historical Lows

...



Since 1988, when Gallup routinely began conducting polls by telephone, there have been many years in which more Americans have identified as independents than as Republicans or independents. But the percentage of independents did not reach 40% until 2011, and it has stayed at or above that level for the past five years.

As a consequence, the percentage of U.S. adults identifying as Democrats is now at the lowest point in the past 27 years, down from the prior low of 30% in 2014.

...

The rise in political independence is likely related to Americans' frustration with party gridlock in the federal government. In the past several years, dissatisfaction with the government has ranked among the leading issues when U.S. adults are asked to name the most important problem facing the U.S., and was the most frequently mentioned problem in 2014 and 2015.

...

Given that 2016 is a presidential election year, and the percentage of independents usually declines in years when Americans are choosing a president, both parties have an opportunity to win back some of their lost support. But doing so partly depends on how appealing the parties' and their presidential candidates' messages prove to be.

Even if the parties win back some support, they still will probably be competing among an electorate that has a historically high percentage of voters who do not identify with either major party. And the lack of strong attachment to the parties could make candidate-specific factors, as opposed to party loyalty, a greater consideration for voters in choosing a president in this year's election than they have been in past elections.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/06/clinton-isnt-sure-if-bernie-sanders-is-a-democrat-independents-have-been-very-big-for-him/

Here’s why Hillary Clinton just said Bernie Sanders might not be a Democrat

...

You can see the effect of Sanders's strength with independents when you look at the votes that came in. Compare the light blue slices (Clinton's support from independents) with the light yellow (Sanders's). The latter is a much larger slice of the pie than the former.

http://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=

[JDPriestly]

2. Four years of Hillary would mean four more years of NSA spying without regard for the Fourth

Amendment or our personal rights.

And continued persecution of Edward Snowden in spite of the fact that she herself carelessly and for questionable reasons used an insecure but in her view most likely "private" web connection for her State Department e-mails.

She apparently values her own privacy but not that of others.

Who can vote for that?

Hypocrisy is what that is. And don't worry, the Republicans won't use her hypocrisy about Edward Snowden against her. They are worse on this issue than she is, and that is hard to do.

But anyway. Vote for her if your privacy means absolutely nothing to you.

It's your choice.

I know what my choice is.

I probably need my privacy less than most DUers, but I still value it.

[Depaysement]

6. More than that

4 years of Hillary means war. Somewhere, somehow. She will choose to go to war.

Book it.

[Bubzer]

16. And the TPP. And the Keystone XL Pipeline. And to negotiate deminishing Social Security.

And to increase H1B visa workers to displace American workers... the list never stops.

[Depaysement]

32. You're right

I guess I just view war as the worst because it guarantees mutilation and death.

[Bubzer]

33. Dont missundertand me, I'm right there with ya. The rest is salting the earth after more war.

[Baobab]

23. Just like Bush

yup, and indeed it happened, 8 months later

the half brother of Bush's former business partner attacked the US with three hijacked jets

[deathrind]

27. I do believe you are right.

[2pooped2pop]

4. if they didnt want the republicans to win

They sure as hell should have gotten behind Bernie. Should she actually make it, she will go down as the first husband and wife to be impeached. It will start on day one. She will be hated by both sides, except for the rich. And she will be so hated, that she will have fucked up any chance of another woman becoming president for decades.

[restorefreedom]

39. damn, you are right

with all the bra burning "we are woman" glass ceiling talk, she doesn't even get it, and what's worse doesn't even care, that her disastrous run for president and or her disastrous presidency is going to make it harder for women to move up in politics for possibly decades to come. But I guess this can't be a surprise. The Clintons have always only ever been about themselves and their ambitions. Everybody else be dammed.

[TrueDemVA]

5. Pic sums it up

She is not concerned with Bernie supporters. This assumption we will all come together to support her after being treated the way we have by her and her supporters is laughable. Sad, but laughable. The days of voting for someone just because the Republican candidate is even more of a nightmare are coming to an end.

Earning my vote doesn't mean constantly insulting me and then sayng, okay, let's forget about all of that and vote for me. Fuck that!

Voting the lesser of two evils means evil still wins. No more DINOs.

[global1]

7. And There My Friends Is The 'Political Revolution'....nt

[HereSince1628]

8. We're not addressing the gorilla in the room.

HRC's coalition is held together by fear and loathing.

It's why they have been so angry for a year.

They don't ask, but demand in no uncertain terms, that you and I vote in order to assuage -their- fear and loathing.

If that doesn't offend the sensibilities of people of good will, it really should.

[hereforthevoting]

17. What I have noted

Is many have been angry for 8 years...

Possibly longer.

[Baobab]

24. We don't know the half of it I am sure

But I suspect you are right, it does not look like a "coalition of the willing" at all.

The thing that bothers me the most it seems I am unable to talk about here. (Not by choice)

[RoccoR5955]

9. How is it that

a candidate under investigation by the FBI is more qualified than one who is not?

[nc4bo]

11. The liberal media has been silent about it for the most part.

Too bu$y pimping out Trump and propping up a certain compromised Democratic candidate who's up to her neck in corruption.

That's why.

[bvf]

20. "Inevitability" has taken on a whole new meaning lately.

[That Guy 888]

10. But she's going to work on unifying the party at some future date...

If her judgement wasn't so out of line with core Democratic values, I might have voted against Clinton for her abysmal campaign "skills".

[davidpdx]

12. +1,000

Now she is "courting" Sanders supporters by putting out her hand asking for money. Don't be surprised if her hand gets bitten.

[Joob]

13. I probably wouldn't have voted for her anyways. Even if she was nice to us.

I just don't agree with how she does things. However, her campaign did full throttle my emotions about not wanting her to be president.

[Bubzer]

18. Her supporters on DU did that for me. I didn't care for hillary before...

But once her supporters started in, I learned very quickly to despise her and her tactics.

[bvf]

21. I don't really blame her supporters

but I marvel at how stupid some of them are willing to look.

at least what's-his-face Lesser tries to eke out a living by playing the idiot. That really doesn't explain everyone else.

[Baobab]

22. I just tell them I'm voting for bernie and if he drops out i am writing in Elizabeth Warren

That actually is my plan at this point.

Unless Hillary runs with Warren as her running mate, (doubtful unless coercion is involved, I suspect) if she does that then I am voting for Jill Stein.

[Bubzer]

31. I'd write in Bernie

[Baobab]

34. Even if he says he doesnt want it? Why not!

The fact is, none of the other candidates of any other party I know of has my enthusiasm at this point.

[Bubzer]

36. Even if he doesn't want it, I view it as a sign of support.

Even if he doesn't win, he's started something here. Or perhaps he was the flag of unity for those experiencing unrest and discontent with the existing system. He'll have backing and support... either as president, or as senator. And he'll have a movement ready to act... and ready to move... and that's something Hillary just doesn't have, and never will.

It's funny... Hillary pretends to be about social justice... but all her policy proposals just serve to reinforce inequality.

[jillan]

25. When Bill comes out and blames my millennial daughters for all the problems

In DC it makes it's hard to guarantee they're going to want to run out and vote for his wife.

[malokvale77]

38. Millennial grandchildren here...

but yes, since it was the Clinton's themselves who pretty much sealed the RW policies that have all but destroyed their future.

[djean111]

28. Hillary's stance on things like war and fracking and the TPP and student debt and cluster bombs

and regime change, etc., are actually GOP values, not Democratic values.

As Hall & Oates so eloquently sing - I Can't Go for That (No Can Do) - and I will not.

[Bjornsdotter]

29. Uh Oh....

.....they are expecting the Unity Unicorn to ride in on that bridge.

[Autumn Colors]

30. My reaction = a middle finger salute (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

35. I so agree