Isn't it interesting how the authoritarians have turned Bernie into some kind of monster...

[grasswire]

...in their minds, with Jane even worse than a monster?

It is very akin to the way they demonized Ed Snowden and Glenn Greenwald. Same kind of paranoia laced with delusions and attacks made up wholly from nothing.

They puff up Jane to be sort of like a Mafia person, guilty of massive frauds.

Can someone please explain the state of mind that leads to this kind of magic thinking?

[wendylaroux]

1. imo,some is low information,and some is the woman thing,and some is lack of empathy for others.

that's a start.

[djean111]

2. Seems to me like anyone who does not flat-out worship Obama or Hillary is deemed a monster.

Very simplistic, of course.

I mean - Snowden really planned his revelations to get at Obama?
And Bernie and Jane do not worship at the Clinton's feet. How dare they! They were supposed to graciously hand over the supporters and money and grassroots organization months and months ago. What could they possibly be up to? Hmmmmm?

That pretty much sums it up. A weird mixture of paranoia mixed with authoritarianism. JMO, of course. I just avoid them.

[annavictorious]

5. There also seems to be a few problems with

unreleased tax returns, no-show jobs as waste management commissioners, doctoral "degrees" from unaccredited institutions, and family junkets to Europe on massive chartered jets paid for with campaign donations.

[virgdem]

7. You're in the Bernie group

Get out!

[mikehiggins]

9. Cluster bombs, dead Khadaffi, Honduras, the Clinton Foundation, dead kids

I have a little problem with those issues, don'tcha know?

How many more? Beats me. Those are enough, as far as I'm concerned.

[djean111]

10. Oh, my - that is total bullshit, and, even if true - pales beside the Clinton's grifting.

And meddling in other countries with bloody results. And selling influence for "contributions". Give the Clintons some money, get an arms deal! And the Clinton's private jet costs, billed to their "charity" are in the millions. Let's not mention how they screwed over the poor people of Haiti. And who gets to pick out the interns, if Hilary gets to be president?

I happily gave to campaign so that Bernie could fly to the Vatican. So did everybody else.

You should spread your bullshit in another group, my dear. Total failure here. Just leaves a faint lingering odor of bullshit.

[polly7]

13. Debunked crap.

Did you just head straight here without taking time to read about all of that elsewhere first?

[Locrian]

21. I think power has a lot to do with it

I think a lot of hrc supporters LOVE the feeling that there's a "strong" candidate that they can somehow identify with.
Bill had a similar following in the 90s as someone who appeared "strong". Never mind that "strong" means more wars, corporate rule, etc.

Lot of them are just fine with the status quo and power being the deciding factor. They "associate" with hrc because that gives "them" a sense of power - even when that power is using them and actively working against them. As long as they *say* the right things it doesn't matter what they actually do - because that can be excused by any number or circumstances by a "smart" politician as the "way things work in the real world".

It's the exact same thing the republicans have been doing and getting away with for years.

[annavictorious]

3. Let the vetting begin

It's about time.

[grasswire]

4. of whom?

Bernie?

You know that you are posting in the Bernie group?

[bkkyosemite]

6. That's another reason why I made that OP today..yeppers.....peronal attacks cause possible paranoia

I just dunno....

[arcane1]

8. They don't believe it, they're just willing to say anything. Whatever it takes.

David Brock didn't believe the things he said about Anita Hill either.

[djean111]

11. I smell a troll on aisle four. Issue for the mods or MIRT, IMO.

HRC peeps are likely giggling in their cave.

[elleng]

12. Feels like fear to me.

[beltanefauve]

20. Seriously!

If she's so "inevitable" then why do her supporters attack and obfuscate way they do?

[Bluenorthwest]

14. As was publically admitted, much of the really driven Sanders bashing is motivated by

antisemitic bias. That's why so much of it is about money and fraud and scheming, these are of course classic tropes of the genre, a well established genre. Some have admitted it, others have been PPR'd for it, so why pretend otherwise?

[DJ13]

15. Can someone please explain the state of mind that leads to this kind of magic thinking?

They are reacting just as we should expect conservatives to react.

Clinton is the vanguard of a conservative coup to (officially) take over our party.

If we thought Obama's cabinet was too right leaning, just wait for Hillary's.

[bvar22]

16. No better than the SwiftBoaters that attacked Kerry,

and trashed his war record.
Could even be funded by the same sources.

There ARE powerful People who don't want to see any changes to the Wealth Disparity,
and who hate the New Deal/Great Society,
and there are many thousands who follow them without question.

I will never understand HOW someone who makes less than $Million/year can support ANY Clinton. Back in the 60s and 70s, I used to ridicule without mercy people who Worked for a Living, and voted for Republicans.....and here we are.
I am being asked by the Democratic Party to "unify", and vote AGAINST my own financial interest.

CHARTS: The Amazing Wealth Surge For The Top 0.1 Percent
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-amazing-wealth-surge-for-the-top-0-1-percent

Korean Free Trade Deal devastating for US Workers
What happened to the 70,000 jobs that the Korea Free Trade deal was supposed to create? They never materialized. Instead, U.S. workers lost 40,000 jobs in the first year of the agreement.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-cohen/koreaus-free-trade-agreem_b_4965492.html

Meet the TPP: Crony capitalism on a global scale
https://represent.us/action/tpp/

Retirement: A third have less than $1,000 put away
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2014/03/18/retirement-confidence-survey-savings/6432241/

65 percent of working families are living from paycheck to paycheck.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/01/10/why-conservatives-old-divide-and-conquer-strategy-%E2%80%94-setting-working-class-against-the-poor-%E2%80%94-is-backfiring/

"Obama Admin’s TPP Trade Officials Received Hefty Bonuses From Big Banks"
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/20/obama-admin%E2%80%99s-tpp-trade-officials-received-hefty-bonuses-from-big-banks/

95 percent of the economy’s gains have gone to the top 1 percent
http://billmoyers.com/2014/01/10/why-conservatives-old-divide-and-conquer-strategy-%E2%80%94-setting-working-class-against-the-poor-%E2%80%94-is-backfiring/

Billionaire wealth doubles since financial crisis
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/11/12/Billionaire-wealth-doubles-since-financial-crisis/5011384268135/?spt=hts&or=12

Rates of unemployment for families earning less than $20,000 - have topped 21 percent
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_JOBS_GAP_RICH_AND_POOR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-16-08-11-23


Study: "Trade" Deal Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2013/09/the-verdict-is-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-a-sweeping-free-trade-deal-under-negotiation-with-11-pacific-rim-coun.html

The Totally Unfair And Bitterly Uneven 'Recovery,' In 12 Charts – HuffPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662029

Wall Street will get away with massive wave of criminality of 2008 - Statute of Limitations
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/business-economy-financial-crisis/untouchables/supreme-court-ruling-a-blow-for-future-financial-crisis-cases/

Income gap widest ever: 95 Percent of Recovery Income Gains Have Gone to the Top 1 Percent
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/09/10/one_percent_recovery_95_percent_of_gains_have_gone_to_the_top_one_percent.html

Yeah, Baby!!! Lets get some more of THAT!!!!

[djean111]

17. Great post - and I'm sure that Hillary "will look into it". n/t

[bahrbearian]

18. Its Projection

[Wilms]

19. What bahrbearian said.

Well, actually it was Freud who labeled it such.