Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumWhy Democrats Don't Get Sanders' Endgame (and Why It Will Hurt Them in the End)
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/07/01/why-democrats-dont-get-sanders-endgame-and-why-it-will-hurt-them-endLets examine Krugmans quote, above. In his view, Sanders loses credibility and goodwill by not quitting. Quite a revealing take. Credibility, in Krugmans world, isnt about sticking to the values and ethics youve been espousing; its not about being true to the people who supported you because of those values. Rather, it is about playing by the Party rules. Once again, Party trumps people.
Rendell, looking through the Party lens, can think of nothing more important than having a prominent speaking role at the Convention, and he is perplexed that Sanders isnt doing all he can to get one. Values? People first? Not even in the equation.
Then theres the world according to Conrad. If you dont fall into line, then you are not a team player. And of course, if youre not a team player, then you must be just focused on yourself. Here, Conrad is looking through the doubly distorting lenses of the horserace and the Party simultaneously. No wonder he doesnt get it.
What Sanders wants, of course is obvious: Hes less interested in joining the Democratic Party than he is in transforming it. And with good reason.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)Just like the relationship between employer and employee has changed over the last generation, people are also only going to be as loyal to a political party as that party has been to them.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)surrealAmerican
(11,364 posts)... through the metaphor they are accustomed to. It's just a metaphor though, meant to explain reality. It should not replace reality.
Sanders has rejected that metaphor. That makes his actions inexplicable to them.
merrily
(45,251 posts)4dsc
(5,787 posts)so I have to wonder how much longer they will tolerate this one.
KPN
(15,662 posts)gets removed the last 12 days or so.
arikara
(5,562 posts)I had to donate twice. I hope they made out ok.
KPN
(15,662 posts)And thanks for pointing that out. It's pretty important.
eridani
(51,907 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)I don't they can comprehend any worldview that does not place "self" first and foremost.
KPN
(15,662 posts)they put "self" first or not. How is the movement that Bernie reignited going to change that?
merrily
(45,251 posts)As far as your question, the movement will be as successful as the effort and donations put into it. Bernie has always said it is about us, not him and he cannot do it alone.
KPN
(15,662 posts)Just that I don't believe Hillary Democrats all put "self" first. There are some legitimate reasons for supporting Hillary. Frankly, I think the African-American support for Hillary, for example, comes from a life experience that is dramatically different from that of Euro-Americans and results in different political priorities; that's not really about putting self first.
So in that light, my question was meant to spotlight that the movement will need to recognize, deal with and overcome these realities going forward. The movement indeed will only be as successful as the effort and donations put into it, but also only as successful as the concrete strategies employed to build more buy-in from Democrats and Independents who supported Hillary for legitimate reasons this time around, this primary. A movement without a strategy risks going the way of OWS. That's all.
I guess bottom line, that's what I'm most concerned about. That somehow we have to ensure we don't go the way of Occupy -- and I'm kind of ambivalent about whether an organic movement can be successful. Bernie has provided structure and cohesion in the form of a leader during a primary. Will that cohesion carry forward absent structure? As I said, I am ambivalent and, therefore, somewhat worried about that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)IMO, Occupy was enormously successful.
We seem to see things differently. I don't think I can say more about the issues you raised without risking post removal.
andym
(5,445 posts)Moving the needle leftwards is Bernie's goal. That's why he ran in the first place and hopefully he will help create a base from which groundswell of progressive politics arises.
RussBLib
(9,037 posts)which is more his strong suit, instead of politics.
Of course we have intersections of economics and politics all the time, but this is just politics, and Krugman doesn't get it.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Did he warn against repeal of Glass Steagall or the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 would lead to economic collapse of several nations? I mean,2008 was yuuuge. Did he see it coming?