Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumCNN: Did Hillary Clinton do enough to win over Bernie Sanders' backers?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/politics/democratic-platform-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton/
By Eric Bradner, CNN
Updated 7:31 PM ET, Sun July 10, 2016
Orlando, Florida (CNN)Bernie Sanders got what he wanted here this weekend: A Democratic platform stamped in section after section by his progressive values.
Hillary Clinton got what she wanted, too: A path to bring Sanders' supporters fully into the fold a week before the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia.
After two days of marathon negotiations and deals on issues like the minimum wage, energy and health care, the party's platform committee approved a final draft in the wee Sunday morning hours. Most notably, Clinton embraced Sanders' call for a $15-an-hour federal minimum wage -- with Sanders making the concession that it would be phased in "over time."
And Clinton's campaign announced her support for a "public option" -- a government-run alternative to private health insurance -- bringing her closer to Sanders on health care.
FULL story at link.
On TPP....NO!!!
dae
(3,396 posts)be watching to see if she tacks back to the center in the GE.
By itself a party platform is meaningless, the statements/speeches she and her surrogates make during the GE will either encourage or discourage many others, imo.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)So we get short term rewards but the future is fucked?
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Thank You sir can I have another!
RussBLib
(9,006 posts)and THEN work on the longer-term.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Meh, I'm still young so I'll do just that.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)for whatever it may be worth, if anything--is also not deeds, especially since the mantra now is that the President is helpless; it's all about Congress. And, even if, by some miracle, we ever again get sixty or even more Senators in the Democratic Caucus, some excuse, like Lieberman, will always exist, some theory under which no President, and even no Congress, can be held accountable.
Those who are unconditionally loyal to the Democratic Party, including LOTE voters, will vote Democratic, as they always do. That will have nothing to do with what Hillary has or has not done to win Sanders voters. Those who heed Sanders unconditionally will vote for whomever he says to vote for, who will be Hillary. That, too, will have nothing to do with what Hillary has done to win over Sanders' supporters. Sanders' supporters who will not vote for Hillary, no matter what? They will stay home, leave the top of the ticket blank, vote so-called "third" party or vote for Trump. How numerous is the last group? I have no clue.
At the same time, a good number of Republicans may vote for Hillary if Trump is the Republican nominee because, well, because Trump is the Republican nominee.
RussBLib
(9,006 posts)...but she will, and besides, it's up to Bernie as much as it's up to her. Bernie could go a long way to convince the "holdouts" to support Hillary, and I expect that to start up in earnest this week.
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riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)That's on her.
Any other view puts the blame on Bernie for not getting his supporters out if she doesn't win in November. I'm pretty sick to death of liberals/progressives getting blamed when Dems lose.
Hillary has to win them over.
and I'm going to risk telling folks what I really think because the thought police are out in force. I cannot wait till after the election though.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)My brother and his wife are voting for her, but she hasn't "won" them. It's just an anti-Trump vote. They said they will hold their nose and do it to prevent a Trump presidency. I guarantee that is how many will vote for her. She is not popular.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)To begin changing minds in my neck of the woods.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Never.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)She'll swing back to the center the day after she secures the election, and all of us suckers for trusting her. They were both politicians at the end of the day. Not sure why I thought I could put my faith in any of them.
andym
(5,443 posts)And campaigns on them. A progressive vp would help too.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)shit. She thinks it's Bernie responsibility to get them to change over, not hers. It's don't work that way. And I'm guessing she'll lose 50% of his voters, or more.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)to alienate potential voters with the Madame President, Get used to it! thing.
It's a real Fuck You sort of slogan, and I've just gone several rounds about it. The extent to which they haven't a clue that they could be magnanimous in victory is sort of scary. They were in complete denial during the primary season that polls showed Bernie doing much better than she would in many crucial states. Now, when not all polls show her light years ahead of Bernie, they simply dismiss them. They are still in the mindset that his supporters were a mere blip on the radar, and since there's no one else they can vote for, they can do whatever they want.
It's a version of Trump's behavior: I'm the nominee, so you simply have to tolerate anything and everything I do or say.