Elizabeth Warren backers lukewarm on Joe Biden.

[SoapBox]

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/elizabeth-warren-backers-lukewarm-joe-biden-2016-121688.html

Joe Biden is no Elizabeth Warren.

That’s the message being sent by former leaders and foot soldiers of the draft Warren movement after the vice president met privately with the Massachusetts senator on Saturday, in preparation for a possible presidential run.

Unlike Warren or Bernie Sanders, the Vermont progressive who’s assumed the support of many Warren backers, Biden is a pillar of the Democratic establishment, vice president in an administration that many progressives consider too centrist.

That puts him in roughly the same position as Hillary Clinton: liberal on many issues, but a traditional party loyalist at the end of the day.

“He enters the race in the same place she is,” said Charles Chamberlain, president of Democracy for America, which helped operate the pro-Warren grass roots group Run Warren Run.

...continued at link.

[djean111]

1. I find I am actually ice cold to the idea of Warren running as VP to Joe Biden.

Politics at its most cynical.

[SoapBox]

4. I've got to agree.

I like what she has said and what she has stood for but...

Her standing away from Bernie makes me question her level of "Progressive".

I do not like what this meeting with Biden may have been about...I'm now feeling if Biden enters, it's vote splitter.

If she runs with Biden...I will lose respect about her being a true Progressive.

Bernie is 100% my candidate...no one even compares.

[Enthusiast]

17. Me too.

[Phlem]

2. Getting ready for a second" inevitable" in case

Hillary Bombs.

[leveymg]

3. A Biden-Warren ticket might help to reunify a painfully fractured Democratic Party.

That ticket would also be highly electable. Those are good things, I think.

[djean111]

7. Taking Warren out of her very powerful position in Congress, in order to cynically

hope to peel away Bernie's supporters? Just to elect a guy who, at the end of the day, is just like Hillary?
Putting Warren in a position where she basically waits for a tie in Congress, and goes on state visits for Biden?
That's not healing a fracture, that is slapping an almost contemptuous band-aid over it. Hobble two Progressives with one reeking "bargain".

Not buying it, not voting for it. More and more, I think the Democratic Party is leaving me.

[winter is coming]

11. I don't see Warren going for it. n/t

[Pastiche423]

12. I agree w/you 100%

When I began to read some DUers cheering on a Biden/Warren campaign, I cringed at 1st. Then I got pissed off. To me if anyone who thinks that duo would be grand, is not truly for Bernie.

Moreover, I sorely wish that people would THINK before they go ga-ga over Warren as VP. Jesus we do not have enough progressives in the Senate as is. We can't afford to lose a great one and neither can Bernie.

[Vincardog]

5. File this under "DUH" along with the The ticket would unify the party BS. This balloon

was not unifying the party it was about STOPPING SANDERS.

[TBF]

6. I hope Elizabeth wouldn't fall for that -

she seems to actually care about people. Why hitch her wagon to a third way'er? She's got a lot more power in the Senate than she'd have attending funerals as a VP. Really, really hoping she doesn't do this.

[Baitball Blogger]

8. I'm not sure what Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren have in common.

Isn't Delaware a high interest rate district?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

13. They don't have much in common

[MuseRider]

9. If this is really a move

to keep Bernie down I don't think it will work.

What in the world is the DNC going to do if Bernie wins? I think he is going to. Are they going to support his candidacy like they are supposed to or will they start making that "I" the most important thing? I think they knew it would be close if he went Independent and ran against Hillary as a 3rd party so my guess is they welcomed him aboard for his promise he would lose gracefully and not be a spoiler (I don't think they really thought he could win). I wonder if they have thought about what they will do when he wins this and is our nominee. Surely they won't tank him, will they? Will they throw the money and support behind him? I really had never thought about this but have seen the "Party" people hint at it.

Just thinking as I try to stay out of GD-P for a while and behave.

[smokey nj]

10. I've been avoiding GD-Pee for a while now and I don't miss it at all.

It's nothing but a cesspool of nastiness.

[Aerows]

15. When Bernie Sanders wins the Primary

The Democratic party had better put every single ounce of weight to making sure he is elected as the next President of the United States.

Otherwise we don't have a party anymore. I suspect, though, that all of the blowhards for Clinton will shut up once she has lost.

I'd love to have a woman that is President - I just don't want that woman to be Hillary Clinton.

[MuseRider]

16. That is what I am hoping too.

Quite frankly it will be fun to watch because I don't think the DNC is terribly interested in supporting someone who does not want to be in their party. I have never understood the party no matter what stuff anyway. Still, I think they gambled that he had no chance but it would be safer with him under the DNC wing running in the Dem primary than as a third party. There might be some real upset among party people if they have to support him if for no other reason than he is only running as a dem but not a dem.

I agree about Hillary. I do NOT want to have to vote for her. I do not like her as a politician. I don't know about her personally but I hardly think we would be friends under any circumstances, I don't travel the rarified circles she does. I will vote for her simply because she will stick up for women (she had better) if she caves on that I think I will just figure I am done with all of this and go to ground.

I am loving the Bern.

[Aerows]

14. The fact that this trial balloon is even going up in the first place

tells me that Hillary might be in some deep shit trouble over the email server.

I could be (and *hope* I am) wrong, but I suspect that there is a lot more to come on the issue.

[Babel_17]

18. I wonder if Biden wants Warren to run so that Biden entering ...

I wonder if Biden wants Warren to run so that Biden entering will less look like a faction in the party is nervous about HRC going the distance. Biden appeals to HRC supporters, Warren appeals to Sanders supporters, so it's a push.

I wouldn't say the equation is anywhere near that simple but maybe Biden's people are trying to sell it this way to Warren and others.

Arguably the party and our ultimate candidate for POTUS will come out stronger for having competed in such a field. Biden entering alone might look like a vote of no confidence, possibly tinged with misogyny, and more likely to rancorously cause a fissure in the party that would be hard to heal.

Having Both Biden and Warren enter won't be seen a vote of confidence for HCR but it would much more easily be sold as showing that the Democrats can throw a fun and exciting primary that energizes the electorate.