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beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:09 PM Oct 2015

Please fellow Bernistas, ignore the flamebait ops in GD P.

They are trolling and if you respond it will only encourage more of the same. Some people are not interested in civil debate and if we engage them more of our posts will be hidden and we need EVERY voice.

Use the ignore function - liberally if you can't resist.

I know I'm a hypocrite for saying this but please, please heed my words.

This is not a call out or an invitation to meta, just a psa.

Oh and --


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Please fellow Bernistas, ignore the flamebait ops in GD P. (Original Post) beam me up scottie Oct 2015 OP
They're boring. sarge43 Oct 2015 #1
They are indeed. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #2
It's like yelling at my macaw to STFU sarge43 Oct 2015 #9
Lol! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #10
What is meta? Ned_Devine Oct 2015 #66
Discussion of DU. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #70
I see Ned_Devine Oct 2015 #79
Also there used to be a forum, hidden from non-members, that was called Meta-Discussion. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #81
Meta was the original jumping-off point hifiguy Oct 2015 #179
Indeed. sarge43 Oct 2015 #182
Don't forget the Red Bull and meth. hifiguy Oct 2015 #184
And now they've organized. sarge43 Oct 2015 #188
They are more disciplined hifiguy Oct 2015 #189
Damn. We're all suppose to be Democrats here sarge43 Oct 2015 #191
Like on Orwell's Animal Farm hifiguy Oct 2015 #192
I ignore all of those threads, mainly because they are BORING repeating the same old talking points. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #241
+1 Totally agree. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #210
OK, we need a video of thisi! passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #27
I'll have to get her agent's approval first, then there's the YouTube rights and ... sarge43 Oct 2015 #31
the sacrifice is worth it passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #34
Pains in the hindquarters, but adorable. sarge43 Oct 2015 #42
Sorry ma'am! passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #50
No problem sarge43 Oct 2015 #59
A sergeant is ALWAYS hifiguy Oct 2015 #180
Thank you, sir. :) n/t sarge43 Oct 2015 #181
a bit louder? ejbr Oct 2015 #26
I was trying to be kind sarge43 Oct 2015 #47
You stepping on toes in your Berniebro boots girl? haikugal Oct 2015 #76
If you go in GD:P these days hifiguy Oct 2015 #186
Knock it off! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #78
Yes they are. Usually 840high Oct 2015 #43
Great advice, beam. smokey nj Oct 2015 #3
Thanks. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #5
Cool. (Or maybe hot!) senz Oct 2015 #46
I prefer wine but I'll have a drink with you, senz! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #54
Great. now I want chili. smokey nj Oct 2015 #51
my thoughts exactly.....and I think that I want jalapeņo cornbread virtualobserver Oct 2015 #57
Sorry! I'd share but transporters haven't been invented yet! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #60
It's ok. I just warmed up a can if vegetarian chili. smokey nj Oct 2015 #65
I do that sometimes too! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #74
No teleporters, no flying cars, no Hoverboards. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #89
Right? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #94
It sure does! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #104
I am catching a plane and coming over! nt artislife Oct 2015 #80
I'll keep it warm for you! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #83
It would be good if we had transporters, though. artislife Oct 2015 #97
Totally. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #117
Trashing GD-P is the best idea of all Warpy Oct 2015 #4
You said it better than I did Warpy! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #7
I did that over a month ago.... best thing I've done on DU truebrit71 Oct 2015 #40
Excellent answer. MuseRider Oct 2015 #45
+1 Well said. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #107
I can't quite trash it yet. senz Oct 2015 #91
"The ones who hang out at the other website seem almost mentally disturbed, imo." BeanMusical Oct 2015 #113
Hm, then maybe it's just the way they are. senz Oct 2015 #124
Yikes, it must be wonderful to have such charming and balanced people in your life. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author senz Oct 2015 #142
Oh it makes perfect sense and I know what you mean. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #147
Yeah, and some of them HATED Hillary when she was running against Obama cui bono Oct 2015 #148
"Any corporate Dem in a storm I guess." BeanMusical Oct 2015 #150
Virtually all of the really nasty and spiteful HRH supporters hifiguy Oct 2015 #212
Well that's certainly plausible. senz Oct 2015 #213
Gimme your list JackInGreen Nov 2015 #259
I have made it a point not to comment negatively on any Hillary thread - Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #248
I can't trash GD-P. I just read it for the comedy value.... Teagan Oct 2015 #164
There are a number of posters hifiguy Oct 2015 #183
Obviously not me Warpy Oct 2015 #185
Never, mon frere! hifiguy Oct 2015 #214
Agree, but also put Hillary supporters on your ignore list & on list NOT to be allowed for jury peacebird Oct 2015 #6
Excellent suggestion and another reason to donate to DU. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #8
After my first ever account freeze, not sure I Want to continue donating to DU peacebird Oct 2015 #16
Well it's our home too. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #20
use your ognore option olddots Oct 2015 #11
Yup! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #14
I love my mute button - LiberalElite Oct 2015 #37
I ignore and trash threads artislife Oct 2015 #93
I started using ignore for the fist time this summer MissDeeds Oct 2015 #135
But I like playing with them pinebox Oct 2015 #12
But if we don't feed them they go away. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #17
They don't go away - TBF Oct 2015 #61
Exactly, use cites and vetted sources if you're going to engage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #67
I've seen your bookmarks. Very impressive Teagan Oct 2015 #165
Thank you! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #187
Sounds yummy! Teagan Oct 2015 #190
He's originally from Colorado and goes back once a year to visit. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #195
This is good advice. They don't want to have honest discussions about issues, therefore, rhett o rick Oct 2015 #13
Word. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #18
A lot of their posts make for interesting study Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #35
People watching can be fun! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #52
That is fascinating. Can't quite figure why the change of heart SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #71
I think a lot of them just want to go with a perceived winner Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #75
It is because now both the 2008 candidates agree politically, making them the New Democratic DhhD Oct 2015 #131
Oh, now I have a better understanding of why they hate him so much. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #139
I noticed that too MissDeeds Oct 2015 #114
Their side of the issue LiberalElite Oct 2015 #39
It's like a night of bad reruns in there JackInGreen Oct 2015 #15
On network teevee too. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #19
Ignoring cantbeserious Oct 2015 #21
Sorry Scottie passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #22
S'okay passiveporcupine. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #24
Funny thing is brother Depaysement Oct 2015 #23
Ramen! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #25
We used to have a saying around here: "Let it sink" ms liberty Oct 2015 #28
Yes I remember, very good advice. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #32
Agree 100% ornotna Oct 2015 #29
Yes, it's better for my mental health. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #36
I have never read so much MuseRider Oct 2015 #30
Agree 100% with everything you just said. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #41
and some of those are NOT supporters of either…. blm Oct 2015 #176
what's sad is Skittles Oct 2015 #125
Camp weather vane holds no more interest for me than their skanky website... haikugal Oct 2015 #33
You are one of the nicest posters on DU, haikugal! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #44
Back at ya BMUS! haikugal Oct 2015 #62
I got banned, too. It's an honor. 840high Oct 2015 #49
I agree...it is! haikugal Oct 2015 #64
You know the answer to being banned from Camp Weather Vane? sarge43 Oct 2015 #56
I love that name too..can't remember who came up with it but it's perfect. haikugal Oct 2015 #68
Well A while ago I mentioned that her logo would make a fine weathervane hootinholler Oct 2015 #161
I remember that! haikugal Oct 2015 #162
Lately I'm leaning towards hootinholler Oct 2015 #163
Oh, that's good...that's very good. haikugal Oct 2015 #169
....! So True.... KoKo Nov 2015 #257
What posts? n2doc Oct 2015 #38
No, trust me, you don't! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #48
I don't go into their hate site, but it occurs to me... dorkzilla Oct 2015 #53
I noticed the same thing. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #58
And you do a damned fine job too dorkzilla Oct 2015 #69
Thank you! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #72
Quite Frankly I Have No Interest In "Playing" This Game... ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #55
A chameleon. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #63
I've Never Hated Her, I Defended Her When I Agreed With Her. BUT ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #106
I have as well. And still do to right wingers. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #112
Too true davemac Oct 2015 #73
"Stick to the issues"! Perfect! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #77
They are Old Codger Oct 2015 #82
I've heard that. A LOT. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #86
yup Old Codger Oct 2015 #90
k&r smiley Oct 2015 #84
You are a very wise person. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #88
They're working overtime! Phlem Oct 2015 #85
That they are! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #96
Good advice, Mr Scott. Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #87
You're welcome! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #98
I'm sorry. I've had a mental image of you for years that looks just like James Doohan Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #110
That's quite alright, perfectly understandable. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #111
where's the fun in that? stupidicus Oct 2015 #92
It can be fun, yes, but I've seen too many hides and good posters get timed out. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #100
We are the majority. Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #95
Well said, Admiral Loinpresser! *giggle* beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #102
Let it sink. frylock Oct 2015 #99
At first I thought you posted "Let it stink." beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #103
Trolling trolls is fun. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #101
And you do it well! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #105
I'll let you in on something.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #118
This is my first tour of duty on MIRT and I know there is a lot of truth in what you said. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #120
I'd be lousy on MIRT.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #127
LOLOLOL! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #130
Thank you, scottie saidsimplesimon Oct 2015 #108
You're welcome. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #115
Here's my take for what it's worth. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #109
That is a good point. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #116
Tnx for the reminder hifiguy Oct 2015 #119
Trollers gonna troll! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #121
Good advice Android3.14 Oct 2015 #122
That sucks. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #123
I got a hide artislife Oct 2015 #208
Would you say that to supporters of a woman candidate? MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #126
O. M. G. LMAO! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #128
Treasure? MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #134
Busted! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #137
Great post and wise advices. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #129
Okay, you got me. Damn straight we need to stick up for each other. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #133
Yes, I do my best to support people who have to deal with these situations. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #136
I didn't know polly7 got ... banned? timed out? whatever it's called senz Oct 2015 #149
She's on a time out but will be back. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #151
It does sound like a good life. senz Oct 2015 #154
My mom immigrated from Romania and learned English from a British professor. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #155
Sounds like an interesting story. senz Oct 2015 #156
polly has been one of their primary targets hifiguy Oct 2015 #211
You wouldn't believe how many 7-0 failed alerts there are on my posts. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #217
+1 merrily Oct 2015 #170
You're always there to lend a hand and cheer me up, merrily! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #203
Glad to do what I can. You are a lovely light. merrily Oct 2015 #204
So are you. :) beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #205
Awwww. Thank you. merrily Oct 2015 #206
Thank you bmus! This is the first time signed up in August 2001 neverforget Oct 2015 #138
I'm sorry for that. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #140
We all know exactly which posters hate Bernie, his supporters and live to stir shit. Autumn Oct 2015 #141
Exactly. Well said. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #143
Bernie supporters should not feed their egos and boost their threads. Let them talk to each other Autumn Oct 2015 #144
They got tired of their echo chamber and came back here. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #145
Yep. We will never change their minds and they can't change ours so Autumn Oct 2015 #146
I love the ones who claim to be O'Malley supporters artislife Oct 2015 #153
Noticed their absence did you? Autumn Oct 2015 #166
I haven't trashed the GD-P forum. Not at all. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #152
No, you're fine PatrickforO! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #157
That's how I feel too - TBF Oct 2015 #178
I do. Cleita Oct 2015 #158
Good for you, Cleita! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #159
Kicking for the morning crew! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #160
They've been invading the Bernie group this morning. senz Oct 2015 #167
K&R for this important thread discussion! haikugal Oct 2015 #168
It's nice to all get together and chat. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #196
I agree it's been lovely and funny...very enjoyable Scottie. haikugal Oct 2015 #207
The only winning move is not to play. merrily Oct 2015 #171
Perfect illustration, merrily. senz Oct 2015 #172
Thanks so much, senz! merrily Oct 2015 #199
Eggs-actly! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #197
I'm worndering if anybody's seen Catherina lately? senz Oct 2015 #173
I miss her too.. haikugal Oct 2015 #194
You are so awesome! Catherina Oct 2015 #225
Well it's always good to hear from you... haikugal Oct 2015 #228
She was getting harassed, I hope she didn't leave because of it. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #198
I was lol? Have no fears, I can't see it. Catherina Oct 2015 #226
Coincidence! I had the same thought earlier today and checked her profile for her last post. merrily Oct 2015 #201
Sorry, I didn't mean to worry anyone Catherina Oct 2015 #227
Not your fault at all, Catherina. At some point, I just starting worrying about everyone. merrily Oct 2015 #231
I'm still here! I have a lot going on right now Catherina Oct 2015 #224
It's so good to see you again, Catherina senz Oct 2015 #232
Beautiful weather here this last week has kept me preoccupied. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #174
Yeah it's beautiful up there senz Oct 2015 #177
Stop! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #200
It is difficult to let the LIES pass unchallenged. bvar22 Oct 2015 #175
Indeed. hifiguy Oct 2015 #193
This is very true. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #202
Also true, but as Karl Rove has taught us, bvar22 Oct 2015 #209
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2015 #215
I'm ready to do the same. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #216
The exploitation of women's rights truly is disgusting. senz Oct 2015 #219
I'm sorry senz. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #220
Thanks, I can live with it. senz Oct 2015 #222
Ha Ha HA! Cheers! Agony Oct 2015 #218
I haven't watched it yet, thanks! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #221
Kicking for a timely reminder. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #223
Their confidence is fading. Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #229
True, unless the stars are aligned Hillary seems to always be on a downward trajectory jfern Oct 2015 #230
That's such a good point. senz Oct 2015 #233
Thanks again for this thread, bmus senz Oct 2015 #234
There is a lack of credibility by some posters here that has become so clear the Autumn Oct 2015 #235
Kick because this IS that important. Autumn Nov 2015 #236
Another Autumn Nov 2015 #237
Another for a timely important reminder Autumn Nov 2015 #238
Thanks, yes it is time. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #243
That is the only way to do it. Let their flame bait threads die Autumn Nov 2015 #244
Kicking for the wisdom in this post. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #249
Animal Farm by George Orwell. Autumn Nov 2015 #239
Perfect analogy, Autumn! senz Nov 2015 #240
Yes, there are a few Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #242
Some are obviously trying to intimidate us. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #245
You fight a good fight. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #246
Thanks. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #247
You're their Number 1 enemy at DU. They're stalking you now, for sure. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #250
They have a whole section on me now? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #251
Can't miss it, it's right at the top of their forum. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #252
Some guy named Bill started it? Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #256
Yeah. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #258
LOL .... just had to go over and read that. polly7 Nov 2015 #262
They are like toddlers acting out. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #265
K&R! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #253
I have more regulars on ignore than not artislife Nov 2015 #254
That's the best course of action. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #255
They are not honest brokers, and I do enjoy confronting dishonesty with facts and watching the Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #260
And I enjoy watching you confront the hypocrites. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #263
The prevalence of those kinds of OP's indicate thay they are very nervous.... n8dogg83 Nov 2015 #261
Excellent advice. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #264

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
2. They are indeed.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:15 PM
Oct 2015

I'm the first to admit I need to learn to walk away.

It's healthier too, no one is going to change their mind reading flamebait in GDP.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
9. It's like yelling at my macaw to STFU
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:20 PM
Oct 2015

She just yells louder, then does her evil overlord laugh. "Gotcha! Made ya yell!"

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
70. Discussion of DU.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:18 PM
Oct 2015

From Skinner:

DISRUPTIVE META-DISCUSSION

Positive threads about Democratic Underground or its members are are permitted.

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.


Groups have different rules about meta discussions, they can be disruptive and contrary to the purpose of the tos.

Generally it's a good idea to keep it positive.
 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
79. I see
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:36 PM
Oct 2015

I haven't written on this site with any sort of frequency since the 2008 election, so I'm not too hip to the rules. Thanks

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
81. Also there used to be a forum, hidden from non-members, that was called Meta-Discussion.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:44 PM
Oct 2015

It was pretty much an "everything goes" forum and at one point the admins decided to close it.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
179. Meta was the original jumping-off point
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:37 PM
Oct 2015

for most of today's alert stalkers and those to whom bmus refers in the OP.

Gunfight in a monkeyhouse, it was.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
184. Don't forget the Red Bull and meth.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:50 PM
Oct 2015

LOTS of those. And such a yuuuuge percentage of them, both then and now, came from just one small DU group that is policed with a vigor that would make Josef Stalin's eyes water. That group could rightly be called the poisoned source of the Sewer Site so many of them are on now. The Headwaters of Slime, as it were.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
188. And now they've organized.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:11 PM
Oct 2015

The original Metas, to quote my dear father, couldn't pour pee out of a boot with the instructions on the heel. They've now morphed into a focused hoard that would put Jacobites to shame.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
189. They are more disciplined
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:16 PM
Oct 2015

but they were sufficiently well organized to chase me off of DU for a year beginning in the early summer of 2013. I was alert stalked by them rather relentlessly for a few months and I got thoroughly sick of it. Got a few very nasty PMs as well but never bothered reporting them to the admins because I knew nothing would be done.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
241. I ignore all of those threads, mainly because they are BORING repeating the same old talking points.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:53 PM
Nov 2015

Responding to them simply gives them attention and kicks. That's all they want. Kicks. No comment in any of those threads is going to have any impact.

If one of them headlines an outright false statement, the start another OP backed up by facts.

But they will sink like rocks if people don't go in trying to argue in threads that there really is nothing to argue about, other than 'yawn'.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
31. I'll have to get her agent's approval first, then there's the YouTube rights and ...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:45 PM
Oct 2015

It may take awhile. We're talking diva here.

Love a dog and he thinks you're a god

Love a cat and he thinks he's a god

Love a parrot and she demands daily sacrifices.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
42. Pains in the hindquarters, but adorable.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:53 PM
Oct 2015

I'm of the female persuasion. As I once informed a troop, "I'm not a lady; I'm a sergeant."

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
26. a bit louder?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:38 PM
Oct 2015

Like Hillary was "shouting" about gun control because everyone knows politicians should never shout.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
76. You stepping on toes in your Berniebro boots girl?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:23 PM
Oct 2015

Shame on them.....

Everyone knows women need a good pair of boots, you never know where you might land.

Lead, follow or get out of the way.

I want a video of you and your feathered friend...awesome!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
186. If you go in GD:P these days
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:05 PM
Oct 2015

you definitely need some good boots. Preferably hip-waders like Jimmy Carter used to wear when he went fly-fishing down in Georgia. It's getting thick AND deep these days. There's no pony in there, either. Belive me, this brony knows ponies and no pony would be caught dead in there.

Pinkie Pie and Rarity took a look and here was their reaction:



They know fail when they see it.

smokey nj

(43,853 posts)
3. Great advice, beam.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:15 PM
Oct 2015

I've been avoiding GD-Pee for months and I don't miss it at all. It's a fetid swamp of nastiness.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. Thanks.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:17 PM
Oct 2015

It's better to find a nice friendly group and hang out.

Or cook some homemade chili and cornbread like I'm doing.



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
46. Cool. (Or maybe hot!)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:55 PM
Oct 2015

Homemade chili and cornbread on a relaxed Fall evening at home are some of the things that make life very worth living. Enjoy, dear bmus -- and have a nice beer with it, too!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
117. Totally.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:40 PM
Oct 2015

I'd take a chance of having my molecules scattered all over the universe just to skip the daily commute.


Warpy

(111,254 posts)
4. Trashing GD-P is the best idea of all
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:15 PM
Oct 2015

unless you've got serious hypotension and are looking for non drug ways to raise your blood pressure. I know I begged for its creation for a long time and the day it appeared, I shitcanned it.

But yeah, any title that starts to piss you off is flamebait and if you rise to the chum, you'll start collecting hides and that sucks for us all since they lead to long timeouts and sometimes a complete ban.

It's probably easier for me, I'm a lukewarm and cynical Berniebot who realizes some Wall Street friendly stiff will be the nominee, maybe even one we don't know about yet who gets drafted. I just want the best showing for Sanders possible, giving notice that we're not going to put up with this Third Way shit for much longer.

But thanks for the PSA. It's timely and appropriate.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
7. You said it better than I did Warpy!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:18 PM
Oct 2015

Let's make sure that even if Bernie doesn't win we can hold our heads high on DU.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
40. I did that over a month ago.... best thing I've done on DU
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:53 PM
Oct 2015

But that cesspit was very useful for weeding out a whole bunch of truly nasty, classless assholes for my ignore list... so it was useful for something I guess

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
45. Excellent answer.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:54 PM
Oct 2015

Thank you. I intend to hold my head up even if Sanders gets creamed. I don't think it will happen but still, I (we) supported a candidate for the people and anything that would help us was something he would strive for. Beholden to us not to the money behind his campaign. That is something to be proud of.

He wins no matter what, those behind him now will haunt Hillary if she dares to move right. This little tiny bit is what has been missing for a good many years, it is our responsibility to haunt those who intend to let us swing in the breeze of the wealthy and corporate interests. Bernie has created what I hope and believe will remain a monster. Especially the kids, what kind of life can they expect if the third way continues? Remember Viet Nam? If we did not fight here our brothers and fathers and friends were sent off to fight a bad war and would suffer forever for it. Motivation has returned.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
91. I can't quite trash it yet.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:55 PM
Oct 2015

I feel compelled to stand up for what I find worthwhile and true and not let others run roughshod over the debate. Much hangs in the balance and there might be lurkers or undecideds who need to hear what we have to say. Also, it helps me find ways to put concepts and thoughts into words, something I don't always do easily. My facility with language has weakened with age, so political debates feel like good mental exercise. Use it or lose it, as they say.

But I'm learning to recognize the ones who aren't worth the trouble. There seem to be a number of astonishingly cold, malevolent, hateful folks out there; some seem like paid propagandists who lie with ease and have no basis of values or genuine conviction from which to operate. I find them revolting. So it's always amazing when they call us nasty haters, etc. Last night a very sweet, thoughtful, prolific Bernie supporter wrote an OP about Bernie's good record on animal welfare legislation, and a number of us Bernie supporting animal lovers commented favorably -- and then some Hillary fans dropped in to make fun of us. How cynical! I'd be ashamed to behave that way. If I thought they were just young men trying to appear tough and cynical, it might be understandable, but they're not. Quite a few seem to be nothing but aging mean girls. The ones who hang out at the other website seem almost mentally disturbed, imo. I wish I knew what did that to them.

Another thing is that I genuinely like most Bernie supporters and worry when they're too effective, as those are the ones the meanies try to alert stalk, and I don't want anyone taken away. So that's where bmus' advice to recognize and ignore flame bait comes in handy -- although I've served on juries in which mild, harmless comments were alerted on.

DU is interesting and engaging, but if engaged in too vigorously, it can lead to a serious lack of balance.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
113. "The ones who hang out at the other website seem almost mentally disturbed, imo."
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:25 PM
Oct 2015

"I wish I knew what did that to them." A majority (let's say 50% +1) of those hanging out at that place were doing the same thing and using the same tactics long before Hillary was officially running for the nomination. So now they are going after anyone who dares to criticize HRC (or say anything positive about Bernie) the same way they did for people criticizing Obama. Just my 2 cents, I have no idea why they were behaving that way to begin with.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
124. Hm, then maybe it's just the way they are.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:59 PM
Oct 2015

If so, nothing we can do about it -- except be glad we don't know them in real life!

Response to BeanMusical (Reply #132)

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
147. Oh it makes perfect sense and I know what you mean.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:21 AM
Oct 2015

I also get along easily with well-meaning people.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
148. Yeah, and some of them HATED Hillary when she was running against Obama
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:23 AM
Oct 2015

but LOVE her now.

Any corporate Dem in a storm I guess.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
150. "Any corporate Dem in a storm I guess."
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:31 AM
Oct 2015

Lol, yeah. And those who made a 180 are the most fanatical HRC "supporters". It's like they have something to prove.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
212. Virtually all of the really nasty and spiteful HRH supporters
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:06 PM
Oct 2015

come out of one small group on DU.

I will PM you the rest of the information if you want it.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
213. Well that's certainly plausible.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:17 PM
Oct 2015

Sure, I'd be interested, thanks. Hope you're having a nice day today, hifiguy.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
248. I have made it a point not to comment negatively on any Hillary thread -
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:01 PM
Nov 2015

or to comment at all on Hillary threads, actually. I have a lot of issues with her, but I know anything I say isn't going to convince any of them to change their minds, so I just keep my thoughts to myself. I think the only thing I'm going to have a hard time with is their gloating if/when she wins the nomination because you just know they're going to be ugly about it. They do themselves no favors really by antagonizing those of us on the left whose votes they will need. I'm in a safely red state, and I might be tempted to write Bernie in if they become too obnoxious. I was a dreaded Nader voter in 2000, which made not one bit of difference in Alaska.

 

Teagan

(62 posts)
164. I can't trash GD-P. I just read it for the comedy value....
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:20 AM
Oct 2015

I don't take it too seriously here, and from reading alot of threads, it seems there is a small but noisy minority of Clinton supporters. Let them create the clickbait. All I can do is point and laugh and move on.

Back to lurk mode. Go Bernie!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
183. There are a number of posters
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:46 PM
Oct 2015

whose threads I automatically trash. Rather a lot, actually. No points for guessing who.

You KNOW who.

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
185. Obviously not me
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:52 PM
Oct 2015

for which I feel richly complimented.

My own ignore list consists mostly of prissy word jumpers and outright bullies. I cut people slack during election season. I just avoid the place the (temporarily) crazier of them post.

A Canadian election season a few years ago destroyed any illusion that Canadians were more polite. I was on IRC at the time and the nicest people in the channel were clawing each other to shreds.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
214. Never, mon frere!
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:21 PM
Oct 2015


I know who my friends and enemies are here. And judging by who my sworn enemies are, I can feel very satisfied with myself. I piss off all the right people.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
6. Agree, but also put Hillary supporters on your ignore list & on list NOT to be allowed for jury
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:18 PM
Oct 2015

Very serious about this. Hillary supporters alert and swarm alert. Do not give them any material.
Make sure you have the worst offenders on your jury list, so they cannot be jurors on your posts. Otherwise you can find yourself shut down here in short order, with no recourse. Fair warning. I was blocked for 4 days for referring to hillary in two posts with s in front of her name.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
16. After my first ever account freeze, not sure I Want to continue donating to DU
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:25 PM
Oct 2015

I was frozen out for 4 days because i posted two times with an S in front of Hillary.

I feel far less likely to donate to DU now, even tho I have donated for over a decade.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
93. I ignore and trash threads
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:55 PM
Oct 2015

Man, has that action grown to four times the amount in the last 2 weeks. But I even ignore the stupidly annoying, I feel they are even worse. There are some angry ones, too. I look at the name on the OP and don't even bother sometimes, just go in and trash.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
135. I started using ignore for the fist time this summer
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:18 PM
Oct 2015

Tonight I clicked on a thread that has 54 replies and I can only see 12 of them!

DU is certainly more enjoyable now.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
17. But if we don't feed them they go away.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:25 PM
Oct 2015

Nothing wrong with mixing it up but I've noticed that if you let the threads sink they are less likely to post more of the same.

They want attention, they want to piss us off, don't give them what they want.

TBF

(32,056 posts)
61. They don't go away -
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:10 PM
Oct 2015

and they lie. Use cites in every reply to them - make sure you can back up your claims because they sure can't.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
67. Exactly, use cites and vetted sources if you're going to engage.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:14 PM
Oct 2015

I have dozens of bookmarks just for that purpose.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
187. Thank you!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:09 PM
Oct 2015

I added some more last night when I was cooking chili. It turned out wonderful, my s/o brought back some roasted Pueblo Peppers from Colorado.

 

Teagan

(62 posts)
190. Sounds yummy!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:17 PM
Oct 2015

I had to look up Pueblo Peppers because I'm from Colorado and had never heard of Pueblo Peppers. Green Hatch Chilies are very common here and they are delicious roasted.

Something new to learn about my state. Thank you!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
195. He's originally from Colorado and goes back once a year to visit.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:04 PM
Oct 2015

I'm from Vermont and miss the mountains in my home state. The Green Mountains aren't as grand as the Rockies but in the fall they are spectacular! Brilliant hues of red, yellow and purple...people come from all over the world to leaf peep.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. This is good advice. They don't want to have honest discussions about issues, therefore,
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:22 PM
Oct 2015

you can't even learn what their side of the issue is. Put them all on ignore.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
35. A lot of their posts make for interesting study
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:49 PM
Oct 2015

For example, it's fascinating to see how many posters who are gung-ho Hillary supporters now were gung-ho Hillary bashers during the '08 primary.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
71. That is fascinating. Can't quite figure why the change of heart
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:18 PM
Oct 2015

regarding their support for her now as opposed to their non stop bashing in 08.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
75. I think a lot of them just want to go with a perceived winner
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:22 PM
Oct 2015

And many of them have actually hinted at that, as in "She's the only one who can win!"

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
131. It is because now both the 2008 candidates agree politically, making them the New Democratic
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:14 PM
Oct 2015

Party. So what Obama did on his watch, is their New Party. Sanders wanted to, sort of, primary Obama in 2011-12, by asking why the 2008 campaign promises were not kept especially on Social Security. They find that unacceptable. In my opinion, they find that anyone challenging the New Democrats-Obama and Hillary- should go. The GOP Benghazi Committee just challenged Hillary Clinton and she beat them back; Hillary primaried them on 2012, last week. They believe that the New Democrats can beat back the Social Democrat too.

Now it seems to me, that the New Democrat was not expecting the Social Democrat to run a challenge; and neither were the New-supporters. 2014's new wave of GOPers would like to change Social Security. Does the GOP have something in common with the New?

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
114. I noticed that too
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:28 PM
Oct 2015

I see so many who were populists in 2008 now supporting HRC, a corporatist

What's up with that? Guess there is a lot of evolving going on.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
39. Their side of the issue
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:51 PM
Oct 2015

is whatever her side is that day. The side du jour if you will. Or, whatever Bernie said yesterday.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
22. Sorry Scottie
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:32 PM
Oct 2015

Wish I'd seen this post before I just responded to one.

OK...no more responding to flame bait. At least I will try. But you know no matter how many of us refuse to kick them, there will be enough others who do, so they won't just go away. It's really kind of hopeless to think they will just fade away if ignored...kinda like an STD.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
24. S'okay passiveporcupine.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:35 PM
Oct 2015

I know I'll break my own rule too eventually.

If we have to go in, post the facts and get outta there!

No sense in getting bogged down and becoming a target for alerts.


Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
23. Funny thing is brother
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:33 PM
Oct 2015

They need Bernie and his posse more than he needs them.

That is the freedom that comes with running on ideas.

ornotna

(10,800 posts)
29. Agree 100%
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:44 PM
Oct 2015

They are trolling and no amount of facts will stop the swarm. I just stay away from them for peace of mind.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
36. Yes, it's better for my mental health.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:49 PM
Oct 2015

No reason to even read the threads once you know who's posting them.

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
30. I have never read so much
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:45 PM
Oct 2015

bullshit in my life and all in the last couple of days....forgetting all the rest before that but the last couple of days it has been almost like theater. Not a damned lick of sense in most of it. Once you cross that line and see every movement and inflection as an insult it is done. Time to go to bed.

There are real points to be made but they can't make them when they can't converse and refuse to listen. There are so many things I would like to talk about but it is of no use. It all looks like a disaster from both sides.

We have made our own mistakes in my eyes but they are just riding that horse over the cliff. One can only imagine what their site looks like. I was curious once and saw then went back after someone posted a link to something and I guess you are not allowed in unless you are approved. The fact that they said the things they did about us, others and about DU itself should have been enough to not allow them to return. You can't say one tiny bit of that here and stay. I know some of you have copied what was said and by whom. What I saw was scary and compulsively insulting to DU and many of us here just because we do not agree with them.

Aside from that there is actual reason for concern over BLM but again, this is my opinion but we can't even talk about that anymore. There is no healing that is going to occur here and that makes me very sad. Tonight for the first time I am actually considering making a real ignore list. It takes too much time to real all the worthless shit being flung to try to find a point.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
41. Agree 100% with everything you just said.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:53 PM
Oct 2015

The continued exploitation of minority and women's causes is another reason to stay away. If we participate we're just encouraging them.

And our side is guilty too, we should call out those who do it in Bernie's name.

blm

(113,052 posts)
176. and some of those are NOT supporters of either….
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:43 PM
Oct 2015

they are the common RW r@tfvckers who have been coming to DU with their diseases since the first primary here.

Skittles

(153,159 posts)
125. what's sad is
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:01 PM
Oct 2015

very often people cannot figure out how counter-productive it is to completely turn others off to the point they are trashed by key word on a PROGRESSIVE site - the inane blame game continues unabated and NOTHING gets accomplished

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
33. Camp weather vane holds no more interest for me than their skanky website...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:47 PM
Oct 2015

I did manage to get banned from the Clinton group, it doesn't take much...lol

They're very predictable and it's very grade school. Zzzzzzzzz

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
56. You know the answer to being banned from Camp Weather Vane?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:05 PM
Oct 2015

"I've been kicked outta better dives than this in my time."

(Love the name Camp Weather Vane, btw)

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
68. I love that name too..can't remember who came up with it but it's perfect.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:15 PM
Oct 2015

You're right sarge43....

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
161. Well A while ago I mentioned that her logo would make a fine weathervane
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:28 AM
Oct 2015

Atomic Kitten posted this:



Ever since, I've been using the name Camp Weathervane. I don't know if I made it up, but I was certainly an early adopter.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
163. Lately I'm leaning towards
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:59 AM
Oct 2015
Schrodinger's Candidate: They can hold multiple positions while campaigning and you will only know where they really stand after the ballot box is opened.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
38. What posts?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:50 PM
Oct 2015
I have the cesspool known as GD: P trashed. Aside from appearing on the DU front page sometimes, I miss all that crap. And I am happier for it.

(and no, I really don't want to know!)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
48. No, trust me, you don't!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:56 PM
Oct 2015

Everyone in GDP has already made up their minds, nothing good will come from fighting with people who want to disrupt.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
53. I don't go into their hate site, but it occurs to me...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:58 PM
Oct 2015

They've have gotten very loud, much louder than recently have been, so it seems to be a coordinated effort that they've devised in their cave. I'm assuming that they've been emboldened by HRCs performance last week but they've effectively pissed away the goodwill and olive branches from the Berniebots on the heels of said hearing.

They can throw all the mud they want at us, I don't give a rat's ass but to impugn his integrity is beyond the pale. They can say Bernie's supporters are ruining his chances, but the sexist spin came straight out of Hillary's mouth.

The point is while deciding to vote for or against a candidate because of their supporters is just plain silly if the candidate's positions are solid and unassailable, voting against another because of the shit coming out of the candidate's own mouth can't be countenanced is wise.

Then again the GOP has a shit-talking candidate with shifty supporters and he's the front runner (see Trump, Donald).

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
58. I noticed the same thing.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:07 PM
Oct 2015

And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that it's a coordinated effort, we know that they try to get posts hidden and that's even more reason to resist.

If you see a lie, call it out, correct the record and get out. I post the facts for anyone who's reading and so that others can bookmark them to use later.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
69. And you do a damned fine job too
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:18 PM
Oct 2015

But I understand getting good and pissed off too; most of the time all i can muster are sarcastic responses. The bile being spewed is too much for mere mortals.

I think I'm going to trash GD-P myself...sounds like a good idea.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
72. Thank you!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:20 PM
Oct 2015

I have a lot of it memorized since they use the same talking points over and over.

Sometimes it's just wiser to walk away.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
55. Quite Frankly I Have No Interest In "Playing" This Game...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:02 PM
Oct 2015

Seriously, there are days that I have to just sit and scratch my head wondering whether I should LAUGH OUT LOUD, or SIT DOWN AND CRY! I simply don't understand how this country got in this shape. MSM, too much money, greed or and electorate that wants nothing more than some sort of a rumble all the time.

Not until this election have I EVER heard Hillary talk this way about these issues. I say this in all honesty, not just because I support Bernie, but it HAS become more difficult to recognize this Hillary. She's been a political figure for so many years and I've followed her and her issues for most of the time, but I don't recall her taking these positions before.

Just had to put my two cents in about this new Hillary, and it's one of there MAIN reasons I don't support her.

So, no I won't bother playing on that play ground.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
63. A chameleon.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:11 PM
Oct 2015

That's what she reminds me of, I don't hate Hillary but I sure as hell don't trust her. She'll be better than a Republican but can't compare to Bernie.

I stay out of their positive threads out of respect and I genuinely like many Hillary supporters.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
106. I've Never Hated Her, I Defended Her When I Agreed With Her. BUT
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:06 PM
Oct 2015

both she and Bill were always to the right of me. I campaigned for Bill knowing this, but as with Obama he veered more to the right than I expected. Bill excited people with his dazzle and had the ability to bring the Democratic Party when it was sorely needed. Did it mean his views changed on issues, I didn't ever think so. As time has gone by THIS Democratic Party has turned pretty much into what Bill Clinton began. Mostly a DLC/THIRD WAY Party that I can no longer recognize as the Democratic Party I've always been a member of.

Hillary has been entrenched as one of them for as long as she's been a politician and to now have the opportunity to support a man who has essentially always stood for what I've stood for is an honor. As a woman I consider myself as strong and outspoken as Hillary is on HER issues, but she NEVER talked "my issues: until now. So yes, a CHAMELEON who isn't going to fool me because I feel she's not sincere and will NOT govern as we hear these words come spilling out.

I have always said that given the choices on the other side I WILL be forced to vote for her if she's the nominee. A carnival barker and a surgeon who may have not even been good at that seem to be the way they're headed. I once thought that would be impossible, but even the others scare me enough. However, IF I do have to vote for her it will be with a very heavy heart because I truly believe NOTHING will change. She's gifted in many ways and to many here they DO think it's HER time. I detest having to cast a vote under these circumstances. All I can do now is FIGHT for who I believe in, and it's Bernie. There are NO perfect candidates or people, and I'm aware he may have to bend at times. I could go on, but those of us who DO support him know what I'm talking about and I don't feel compelled to get into tit for tat with her supporters. It's silly and I doubt what I have to say will change any minds.

So we agree. We have a mountain to climb and that's my focus.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
112. I have as well. And still do to right wingers.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:24 PM
Oct 2015

That's exactly how I feel, we have a chance to elect someone not just better but infinitely better. It's a long shot but Bernie's the only one who can make a difference.

Keep fighting.


 

davemac

(28 posts)
73. Too true
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:21 PM
Oct 2015

Clinton supporters are wanting to engage in non-issue banter. Same old Corporatists' trick. Cannot discuss issues such as war, banksters, super-pacs, Keystone, TPP, Monsanto etc, etc...so they taunt and annoy hoping for a response. Bernie says it best. Stick to the issues. Nothing else.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
77. "Stick to the issues"! Perfect!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:24 PM
Oct 2015

If it's not about actual issues it's just not worth it.

And beware the "concern" threads as well. You'll know which ones I'm talking about when you see them.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
82. They are
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:45 PM
Oct 2015

Pathetic at best.. turning me off of all of it soon, they have me more and more convinced that she is the worst possible candidate. I will vote for anyone but H (almost anyone)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
86. I've heard that. A LOT.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:49 PM
Oct 2015

I will vote for Bernie in the primary and against the Republican if he's not on the ballot.

But unlike when Obama was elected, if Hillary wins next November there will no tears of joy.

Relief maybe, but no joy.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
84. k&r
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:48 PM
Oct 2015

I've grown accustomed to ignoring threads posted by certain usernames. This is coming from a lurker who rarely engages. But I can see a pattern of disruption that I is best not to kick. Let their threads die.

Go Bernie! bounce: :

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
87. Good advice, Mr Scott.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:50 PM
Oct 2015

This sophistry has been thicker than usual over there, starting with some notion that social justice and economic justice are somehow mutually exclusive to a fact-based critique of one's opponent is going negative to the now two-week old canard about Mrs. Clinton "crushing" all others in the "debate." Insofar as it was a debate, I don't mind them saying "Hillary won," as that is a purely subjective assertion, but in way no would such a victory be "crashing" as our man was clearly not crushed.

Of course, if any Hillary supporter is woefully misinformed about Bernie's positions on issues or his record, then give them a little forbearance as they are probably getting their news from the same source that tells us Hillary "crushed" her opponents in the debate two weeks ago. The MSM may as well be FoxNews, only more open to Democrats, at least corporate Democrats. The MSM is owned by the same people who own Mrs. Clinton.

So yes, thery're acting like children over there. It reminds me of the arguments we used to have on playgrounds about whose favorite baseball team was better. It isn't fit discussion for an adult forum. The best thing to do is not participate in that kind of juvenile taunting.

Thank you. It was nice to get that off my chest.

Power to the people and feel the Bern.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
111. That's quite alright, perfectly understandable.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:19 PM
Oct 2015

My name comes from a bumper sticker I once saw that read "Beam me up, Scottie. There's no intelligent life down here."

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
92. where's the fun in that?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:55 PM
Oct 2015

about the only challenge they pose imho, is how to respond to their nonsense in a tit for tat way where a hide really shouldn't be a risk.

beyond that, I take them at their thirdway word -- they like being part of the problem.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
100. It can be fun, yes, but I've seen too many hides and good posters get timed out.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:00 PM
Oct 2015

This is for those of us who don't know when to stop.

I love watching someone get taken to the woodshed but only if no one on our team gets a beating too.


Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
95. We are the majority.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:56 PM
Oct 2015

If we don't play, they won't have anything to do but waste time somewhere else.

Meanwhile, let's keep working on getting the message out IRL! That is how we will beat the Establishment, talking to one fed up American at a time!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
102. Well said, Admiral Loinpresser! *giggle*
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:02 PM
Oct 2015

( love love love that name, never get tired of seeing it or you posts)

And yes, they do get bored with their echo chambers, we know this for a fact.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
105. And you do it well!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:06 PM
Oct 2015

But a lot of it lately is meant to hurt and divide us, and label anyone who disagrees as racist, sexist, illiberal, etc.

I won't give them the satisfaction.



 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
118. I'll let you in on something....
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:41 PM
Oct 2015

Trolls feel their words have power.

That belief is their greatest weakness.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
120. This is my first tour of duty on MIRT and I know there is a lot of truth in what you said.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:45 PM
Oct 2015

I just love watching flamebait sink, it's satisfying thinking about how frustrating and infuriating that must be.

Like watching a spoiled toddler throwing a tantrum and no one paying any attention.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
130. LOLOLOL!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:08 PM
Oct 2015

No, you'd be perfect, actually!

A predator instinct and sense of humour are all the weapons you need.


saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
108. Thank you, scottie
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:09 PM
Oct 2015

I do not know how to find comments I made about Senator Sanders months/years ago. As I recall, I commented that I had sent Senator Sanders a donation because "he speaks for me". He was not running for any office at the time, and I live in Arizona.

My grandson just registered as a Democrat in order to vote for him. The 25-30 age group is motivated to get to the polls in Arizona? Not that our primary makes a difference, but I'm going all in for Bernie.

Mrs. Clinton is well qualified. I've been waiting for a woman to become President. However, after much soul searching, I have decided that Bernie can win. I'm all in now.

As for the mean spirited competition, it reflects badly on their preferred candidate.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
115. You're welcome.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:32 PM
Oct 2015

I've had the pleasure of meeting and voting for Bernie and he is the real deal as you well know.

Congratulations on your grandson's decision to get involved in the process.

It's been 8 years since I've seen young people get this excited about a candidate and it's not Hillary that's inspiring them.

We are Bernie's posse and we need to stand by him and for him.

Go Bernie!


 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
109. Here's my take for what it's worth.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:11 PM
Oct 2015

This is the first place I came to when looking for a place to chat about Democratic politics, and I imagine it's the same for others. If the first thing people see when they come on this site is some thread berating Bernie for something we all know is ridiculous, and they're an undecided voter, I want to make sure there is a response somewhere in that thread that is honest and truthful, regardless of the subject matter.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
116. That is a good point.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:34 PM
Oct 2015

If we have to respond we should take the high road and stick to the facts/issues being "discussed".

And if that fails, pointing and laughing can be cathartic too.



 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
119. Tnx for the reminder
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:43 PM
Oct 2015

Time to start trashing the trolling threads by the trolling trolls who post them, to paraphrase my senator.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
123. That sucks.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:54 PM
Oct 2015

This is what they want, they bait and alert. It's nothing new and all sides do it but we need to remember to keep our eyes on the prize.

I used to kick and rec a positive Bernie thread for every nasty comment that I encountered. It helped and I'm going to start doing that again.

Don't let them get you down.


 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
208. I got a hide
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:35 PM
Oct 2015

But I knew I would and I liked it. Now, people who are curious will have to click on show and there will be an image.

I lurve it.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
126. Would you say that to supporters of a woman candidate?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:04 PM
Oct 2015

I don't think so.

Show us where you've said that to supporters of a woman candidate.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
128. O. M. G. LMAO!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:06 PM
Oct 2015

TWM you totally rock.

I don't think I could hack GDP without your threads.

You are a treasure.


 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
134. Treasure?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:17 PM
Oct 2015

Oh, the old claim about Jews and money, huh?

Antisemitism!

Antisemitism!

Antisemitism!

Over here!

Antisemitism!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
137. Busted!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:24 PM
Oct 2015


I was looking for a funny pic to post and found that one, it seemed appropriate for some reason.

Oh, wait, non-kosher pork, Jews, dammit! There I go again!

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
129. Great post and wise advices.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:08 PM
Oct 2015

I'll try to behave but I don't promise anything. What is pissing me off the most is when a Bernie supporter is being bullied so I often go after the bullies. Delirious posts filled with lies are sometimes a trigger too.

You rock BMUS!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
133. Okay, you got me. Damn straight we need to stick up for each other.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:15 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:15 AM - Edit history (1)

Even if it's just a +1 to someone who is standing up or a kind word to the person being bullied.

And if some are too shy a pm is always appreciated, just to let them know you see what's happening and you're on their side.

The worse thing in the world is being ganged up on and feeling like no one is on your side.

There is strength in numbers and my friends here have helped me endure the stalking and abuse I received from members of the other site.

And now is the perfect time to remember call and polly7 for what they're going through right now.



BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
136. Yes, I do my best to support people who have to deal with these situations.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:20 PM
Oct 2015

And I regularly kick Cali's thread to show my support. Can't wait for her and polly7 to be back.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
149. I didn't know polly7 got ... banned? timed out? whatever it's called
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:29 AM
Oct 2015

She's a live wire, quick and smart. That's probably why they targeted her. I'm sorry to hear that.

I was thinking about your advice to avoid flame bait OPs. I generally do it anyway because those threads are usually full of people I don't like. But what I'm wondering is, how long will it take them to get tired of talking to each other? After a while they might notice we're not there, and it would have to get old just grousing together.

I hope we all can do it. Also hope your chili and cornbread were good! And that your SO helped with washing the dishes. I generally prefer wine too, but some foods, like chili, pizza, and Mexican food, seem to call out for beer, for some reason.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
151. She's on a time out but will be back.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:39 AM
Oct 2015

They targeted her because she stood up to them, but it's not the first time that's happened to polly, she's tough. They can't beat her.

If we avoid the flamebait even if they do talk to each other it won't be any fun. I've watched them carry on like that and it's all an act.

If they wanted each others' company they'd post in their group like we are, when they post flamebait they want confrontation.

The chili and bread were excellent, thank you! My s/o works third shift so I did the dishes. I don't mind, a warm kitchen, a little more wine, some good tunes, dog and cats to keep me company - it's a good life!

Hope you have a good one, senz, you've become one of my favourite people here, you're very kind.


 

senz

(11,945 posts)
154. It does sound like a good life.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:51 AM
Oct 2015

I'm glad for you, bmus, you deserve it.

I think they want confrontation because they're nasty sadistic frustrated people.

You spell favorite like a Brit. I appreciate your kind words, bmus. You were the first person to make me feel welcome here.

Take care.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
155. My mom immigrated from Romania and learned English from a British professor.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:55 AM
Oct 2015

She was the one who taught me to read and write.

You too, senz. Hang in there.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
156. Sounds like an interesting story.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:16 AM
Oct 2015

So I guess you were home schooled, at least as a small child. To me, that sounds lovely for all kinds of reasons. Almost unimaginably lovely. G'night little green kitty with tentacles.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
211. polly has been one of their primary targets
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:03 PM
Oct 2015

for a long, long while. You and Aerows seem also to have attracted a lot of their attention recently. Le Taz Hot raked their feathers the wrong way pretty hard, but Taz truly does not give Shit Number One.

And you're right about polly, she backs down from no-one.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
217. You wouldn't believe how many 7-0 failed alerts there are on my posts.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:58 PM
Oct 2015

After reading the posts at the other site we know for a fact polly, cali and I were alert stalked.

polly's back, btw, she's tough!

They can try but they won't drive us away!

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
138. Thank you bmus! This is the first time signed up in August 2001
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:24 PM
Oct 2015

that's I've ever felt like leaving. I truly hope they're served some humble pie soon.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
140. I'm sorry for that.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:30 PM
Oct 2015

It's despicable because that's what they want, to wear us down and drive us away.

No one should feel like that here.

I realize how much it must suck for Hillary and MOM supporters because they're so outnumbered. Another reason to remember the good friends we've made and ignore those who are making this hell for all involved.

They're not worth it.


Autumn

(45,066 posts)
141. We all know exactly which posters hate Bernie, his supporters and live to stir shit.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:40 PM
Oct 2015

Their little questions and and posts about Bernie are a dead giveaway, they post nothing or next to nothing about Hillary. Just their hate for anything Bernie. Someone mentioned that they gather behind their little closed off hive and coordinate what to post. I believe it. There is no reason to even open their threads.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
143. Exactly. Well said.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:59 PM
Oct 2015

They aren't fooling anyone and we don't need to know what their motives are. It's easy to tell them apart from the ones who are supporting their candidate.

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
144. Bernie supporters should not feed their egos and boost their threads. Let them talk to each other
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:07 AM
Oct 2015

we should post and kick positive OPs and ignore the others.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
145. They got tired of their echo chamber and came back here.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:09 AM
Oct 2015

It makes sense to ignore them here too, if we're not indulging them they're powerless.

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
146. Yep. We will never change their minds and they can't change ours so
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:13 AM
Oct 2015

let it go. Too many good posters are on timeouts for trying to discuss with them,

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
153. I love the ones who claim to be O'Malley supporters
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:50 AM
Oct 2015

I just wandered through the O'Malley group and every post and OP were the regulars. You know, the nice ones who actually talk about where O'Malley stands on issues or what he has been up to. Those supporters are true and bouyant. If they can keep the faith, stay on issues and present their case well, so can we.

I bet they wish they had some of the other supporters doing some of the heavy lifting, though.

PatrickforO

(14,572 posts)
152. I haven't trashed the GD-P forum. Not at all.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:48 AM
Oct 2015

I like the give and take. The thing that I've noticed is that while most of us talk about the issues Bernie is bringing up and that we care about, like health care, Social Security, free college, corporations paying their fair share of taxes, overturning Citizens United, etc., the Clinton supporters don't seem to have that luxury because it is hard to tell where their candidate is on any given issue because she's a political weather vane.

Seriously, I'm very concerned this time around, because I really thought Obama was going to be the next FDR in 2008 - worked on his campaign and everything. Then in 2012, I did it again because I thought well, what the heck. He'll be in his second term and he can really get progressive! Instead we've gone the wrong direction in some fundamental ways. Obama has had some major milestones, but we have to face the fact that milestones like gay marriage, as good as that is, doesn't affect the oligarchs. Therefore, Obama was permitted to do it.

This Trans Pacific Partnership is the worst of the worst. If you still believe at all in representative democracy, then you've gotta be against TPP because it basically forces the United States to give up its sovereignty to corporate-funded arbitrators. You think we lost jobs with NAFTA? That was NOTHING compared to what TPP will do.

I mean, the oligarchs, the Wall Street bankers, the MIC, the private prison 'industries' - they are ALL waiting behind the gate ready to take over once and for all. I support Bernie because to me he is the last bedraggled, frazzled protector of what could be. He's the only guy who has a 40 year record of doing the right thing.

Unfortunately, while I'm preaching to the choir here, I have very little confidence that enough American people will get engaged to take us to the tipping point. We are too ignorant, and the thing that makes my blood boil is the oligarchs have systematically dumbed us down over decades...

Geez, I'm ranting. Sorry.

But we've got to go all out for Bernie on this one because he's us.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
157. No, you're fine PatrickforO!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:44 AM
Oct 2015

If you can keep your head and not let them get to you, go for it. From what I've seem you always stick to the issues.

It's important to challenge the lies and smears, the swift boating is coming from inside the house this time.

Keep on fighting the good fight!



TBF

(32,056 posts)
178. That's how I feel too -
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:29 PM
Oct 2015

"But we've got to go all out for Bernie on this one because he's us."

And he remembers what we used to have in this country. I guess it was a short period in historical terms - end of WWII through Reagan. So maybe 40 years.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
158. I do.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:03 AM
Oct 2015

I have been attending so many meetings lately, city council, planning commission, and tonight an advisory council that I guess advises our Board of Supervisors. People notice my Bernie sticker and ask me for bumper stickers and buttons, yet our Democratic Central Committee has nothing like this, just some flyers and envelopes for contributions. It's embarrassing. I do have a source, but why can't our Dems have all the swag the Hillary people do?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
159. Good for you, Cleita!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:51 AM
Oct 2015

I wish I could afford the swag too.

But just spreading the word helps immeasurably.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
167. They've been invading the Bernie group this morning.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:20 PM
Oct 2015

Maybe they've missed us in GD-P? Whatever it is, they're looking for a fight.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
173. I'm worndering if anybody's seen Catherina lately?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:30 PM
Oct 2015

She hasn't been around for a while, and she has been a strong, positive Bernie supporter. I hope everything's okay with her...

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
194. I miss her too..
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:59 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Hope everything is ok and she's just taking a rest off the front line and returns soon.

For you Catherina

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
225. You are so awesome!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:35 PM
Oct 2015

Thanks Haikugal

I've just been very busy with real life stuff and keeping a worried eye on Syria, Yemen, and Palestine.
Everything is ok. Thanks for your kind wishes

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
228. Well it's always good to hear from you...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:00 PM
Oct 2015

Back at ya Catherina...glad it was life and nothing else.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
226. I was lol? Have no fears, I can't see it.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:40 PM
Oct 2015

I have about 400 people on my ignore list. I figure if I wouldn't talk with certain people in real life, why on earth would I waste my time with them here? Strangely enough, that list needed very few adjustments one the primaries started.

I just have a lot going on right now but I still manage to read DU and keep up. I'll be back soon dear friend

merrily

(45,251 posts)
201. Coincidence! I had the same thought earlier today and checked her profile for her last post.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:10 PM
Oct 2015

It has been a while.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
227. Sorry, I didn't mean to worry anyone
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:44 PM
Oct 2015

It's raining buckets and I had to make repairs to the roof and tackle some leaks in the pipes. Also, 2 of my toilets decided to leak at the same time and AOR was kind enough to give me some toilet repair advice. Who would think they'd be so finicky about float levels and other strange requirements? I have one toilet left to go, all the innards need to be replaced because I can't find the one small part I need lol. Ugh.

I'll be back soon my friend!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
231. Not your fault at all, Catherina. At some point, I just starting worrying about everyone.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:38 AM
Oct 2015

Thanks for setting my mind at ease.

So sorry about your toilets!

I will look forward to more of your excellent posts whenever posting is more convenient for you.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
224. I'm still here! I have a lot going on right now
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:33 PM
Oct 2015

and have a very busy twitter feed too but I'm still here, just not very talkative. I think things will settle down for me within a week and I'll be more active

Keep kicking ass Senz!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
232. It's so good to see you again, Catherina
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:15 AM
Oct 2015

and know that you're okay -- just ridiculously busy. That plumbing business sounds like a major pain in the rear, and it's not going to wait, has to be taken care of. Hope it goes okay and things calm down on the home front.

So glad you're back, as this place needs a few good strong positive voices like yours -- amid all the silly games and noise and in-fighting. So I hope you pace yourself, pick and choose, and don't the nonsense get you down. Bernie needs us!

Welcome back, Catherina!

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
174. Beautiful weather here this last week has kept me preoccupied.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:11 PM
Oct 2015

Absolutely gorgeous scenes of nature spread out all over the valley, what with the colors of the leaves changing, with deer running around in the foothills above Boise, and abundant sunshine.
I just don't have the time or the patience to argue with most of those peeps anymore.
If they want to call me a bunch of names, they should realize that isn't going to help Hillary one bit.
If they want to call Bernie a racist, that isn't going to help Hillary, either.
It's up to them to act civilly at this site.



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
177. Yeah it's beautiful up there
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:11 PM
Oct 2015

in Idaho. Sure got a lotta righties, though.

I'm hoping to achieve your serenity of mind but did go out there a little while today. Helps get the blood pressure up so I can run some of the more onerous errands.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
200. Stop!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:09 PM
Oct 2015

You make me miss Vermont with talk like that!

Seriously, sounds beautiful. I love riding my horses, hiking and kayaking, nature can be very cathartic.

And I have to learn to follow my own advice, it's not worth it. No one is going to change their minds and sniping at each other doesn't help any of the candidates.



 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
193. Indeed.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:50 PM
Oct 2015

But it's like I remember Watergate was - the lies come so thick, so fast, and in such direct contradiction on one another that it's better to forego the migraine and let the tide of bullshit run itself to its inevitable surcease when a perfect and purified form of bullshit emerges as the end product, as it must, just before the whole thing burns down, falls over and sinks into the swamp, as it also must.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
202. This is very true.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:11 PM
Oct 2015

If they are posting lies then we should challenge them, but the "concern" and mocking threads should be left to sink. They are only posted to provoke a reaction, and it's always the same posters.

Both sides are guilty of this unfortunately.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
209. Also true, but as Karl Rove has taught us,
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:22 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:33 PM - Edit history (1)

if a LIE is told enough times, it becomes "Common Knowledge."
I know of several major LIES that are becoming Common knowledge about Bernie simply because they are told so often.
Some here even provide a link back to another repetition of the LIE so it looks legitimate.
(I believe Cheney and Judith Miller perfected that technique.)

Response to beam me up scottie (Original post)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
216. I'm ready to do the same.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:33 PM
Oct 2015

I can't stand to watch anymore.

The race baiting and exploitation of women's and minority rights is sickening.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
219. The exploitation of women's rights truly is disgusting.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:45 PM
Oct 2015

Perhaps partly because I just got a hide for a comment related to that issue, I'm loathing ... l.o.a.t.h.i.n.g ... the people who do that. Putrid. Neurotic. Third rate. Boiled down essence of cheesy Mean Girl. Horrible little cabal.

I suppose I'm pissed. Felt something harden in me -- a fairly new emotion, for reasons I can't go into here. It will be interesting to see where it leads.

Here's the comment for which I got the hide: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=739569

I had just read the thread and watched a fine human being being attacked by a pack of jackals. They all came in at once, like a swarm of locusts. I felt so sorry for her having to deal with them.

Here's the alerter's polite, mature, admirable complaint:

What the HELL??! "The worst of DU appears to be women" because large numbers of female posters won't allow the OP to speak for them as though they are incapable of speaking for themselves?? This is such a silly, paternalistic and sexist post that I'd think it was satire but we all know it isn't.


I was also called "paternalistic" in my previous hide (of July 12). Have never, ever been called that in RL and am most definitely a woman. They seem to like to throw that word around.

I hope they're as miserable as they seem to be.

Okay, guess that's all I have to say for now.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
220. I'm sorry senz.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:53 PM
Oct 2015

Truly. I notice someone called you out and referred to you as a man the other day.

It's better to stay out of there.

You should edit the word "screechy" out of your post or they'll probably get that one hidden too.


 

senz

(11,945 posts)
222. Thanks, I can live with it.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 11:27 PM
Oct 2015

It was worth it to tell them off. If I'd known I was going to get a hide, I'd have been even more honest. They desperately need a dressing down.

I've only noticed one person referring to me as a man and that person lives in a mirror-lined room where they are so bedazzled by what they gaze at all day that no one else comes into focus.

It just so happens I really like men and don't particularly mind being called one.

There are things I like about DU but it's got some serious illness lodged under the cracks. There have been a whole slew of alerts today; I had two, others had several, and I know you get a lot. For some reason, they're on the warpath more than usual. Since ol' whatshername is doing well, you'd think they'd sweeten up a bit.

I hope all's well with you. The nice people here are amazingly nice. And it's funny, even though most of my good friends in RL have been men, the most heroic people here seem to be women. Wow, that's interesting: the lowest and highest at DU seem to be women. Although there are some very nice men here, solid and calm, a comforting quality. And the funny, witty guys.

I appreciate your kindness, bmus, and took your advice. Sorry for all the blabbering.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
218. Ha Ha HA! Cheers!
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:56 PM
Oct 2015

if you haven't already watch his Town Hall rally at GMU from tonight.

when he responded to the student who asked about islamophobia I had tears...

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
223. Kicking for a timely reminder.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 04:24 PM
Oct 2015

People who repost old articles out of "concern" are trying to provoke.

Remember: if it stinks let it sink.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
229. Their confidence is fading.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:26 PM
Oct 2015

WHich makes them more desperate. They had a good couple of weeks, thx to Biden, relentless corp media spin and a lot of TV ad buys by her campaign.

But now the underlying vectors in Bernie's favor are re-asserting themselves, plus she is having a bad week with BLM. So yeah, avoid the bait. Why discuss Bernie with someone whose mind is made up. We have more constructive ways to use our time, imo. If they try to create another factually incorrect meme, sure, correct it. But let's stay focused on winning the nomination. Less than 100 days till Iowa.

If we win Iowa, we will probably get the nomination because NH will be in the bag after winning IA!!!

jfern

(5,204 posts)
230. True, unless the stars are aligned Hillary seems to always be on a downward trajectory
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:16 AM
Oct 2015

If Iowa was 6 months away instead of 3, I'd say Bernie was a shoo-in. Hillary's only hope is to run out the clock without people realizing what she's about.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
233. That's such a good point.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:35 AM
Oct 2015

She has to project "just the right image" and hold it as long as she possibly can before it starts disintegrating. My "lesser" side (which recent DU events have stirred up) might even suggest provoking her into losing it.

But Bernie, who doesn't seem to have a "lesser" side, wouldn't do that. Which is another reason why he would be an extremely positive president, a good force in the world.

So much hangs in the balance.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
234. Thanks again for this thread, bmus
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:47 AM
Oct 2015

It feels like a safe place, as does the Bernie Group. And I really appreciate that.

Also, at the suggestion of another commenter, I've been looking around a bit and am convinced that some of what we're dealing with on the "other side" falls into the category of mental/emotional baggage. Realistically, there is nothing any of us can do to remedy other people's inner demons. Fighting too hard just makes them flare up. I think we should keep our antennae up and sense when to back away and ignore, either literally or figuratively. Maybe this is obvious, but for me it's a discovery. Most forums don't have this much "ancient history."

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
235. There is a lack of credibility by some posters here that has become so clear the
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:28 AM
Oct 2015

last couple of days that we really should make an effort to realize that they should never be responded to. Their credibility is such that their egos and games should not be fed.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
243. Thanks, yes it is time.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:32 PM
Nov 2015

Ignore the flamebait and trolls - especially when they attempt to derail our positive threads.

I'm not saying not to fight back but pick your battles.

If they try to provoke you respond with "Okay. n/t" or even better just ignore them.

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
244. That is the only way to do it. Let their flame bait threads die
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:34 PM
Nov 2015

we know which ones they are, the arguments go nowhere.

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
239. Animal Farm by George Orwell.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 03:44 PM
Nov 2015

The Seven Commandments are abridged to a single phrase: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". Napoleon holds a dinner party for the pigs and local farmers, with whom he celebrates a new alliance. He abolishes the practice of the revolutionary traditions and restores the name "The Manor Farm". As the animals look from pigs to humans, they realise they can no longer distinguish between the two.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
240. Perfect analogy, Autumn!
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 05:41 PM
Nov 2015

As they've gone more openly and boldly Republican (a term they would never use) in their reactions and expressions, I've been doing double takes all over the place. It's a huge sense that something's terribly wrong, and with this reminder of Animal Farm, it's clear. This is what happened. This is what the Third Way is.

I hope true democrats like us but who have more power and clout are fully aware and have a game plan. I know Bernie does, but he needs some hard-headed strategic types to fight the side battles. So much hangs in the balance.

I wish Orwell could have provided solutions, but his warnings were invaluable for giving us language to use when we talk about it.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
242. Yes, there are a few
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:17 PM
Nov 2015

that I have to check myself daily. I want so badly to respond, but then I think "Why bother?" But, boy, some of them are definitely over the top. And they project like crazy.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
245. Some are obviously trying to intimidate us.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:36 PM
Nov 2015

We know for a fact that they've alert stalked us from another website, if we engage them they get what they want.

I know what you mean about wanting to respond, I don't always follow my own advice but I am trying.


Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
246. You fight a good fight.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:41 PM
Nov 2015

Somebody's got to do it, but I just don't have the patience. I've been at DU too long to risk a pizza at this point.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
247. Thanks.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:46 PM
Nov 2015

I'm going to try very hard to just post in positive threads and if I have to engage stick to the facts and move on.

Challenge the lies and let the nasty trolls have fun playing with each other.

I like and respect many Hillary and Martin supporters and don't like seeing them get caught in the crossfire.



Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
250. You're their Number 1 enemy at DU. They're stalking you now, for sure.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:00 PM
Nov 2015

They even have a thread at their site claiming that you are the biggest liar on the internet.

Some guy named "Bill" created that thread at their site and he created a whole new section just for the purpose of starting that thread about you.

Just in case anyone wonders just how easy it is to smear someone on the internet, their site smearing you is neither original nor in line with liberal Democratic ideals.
It's not something new to the internet.

It's also not some earth-shattering experience that will "open everyone's eyes" about some strange, never-before-seen, wild-eyed conspiracy theory that the DU admins are supposedly deeply involved with now somehow.

To be sure -- in fact -- this is the very same way the Conservative Cave forum got started many years ago.
For the few here who don't know about the brief history of the Conservative Cave forum, what happened was, some members of DU decided to post flamebait threads, and troll the forum in a lame attempt to try to get regular DU members banned from this forum.
They went after popular members like Will Pitt and many others who used to post here daily.
However, the mods at DU soon became aware of their behavior.

So, they were the ones who wound up getting banned from DU.
Instead of those DU members who had been targeted by them.
Then some of those banned members formed their own site so they could still continue to make snarky comments about people posting here.

Originally, I thought that the Conservative Cave forum would only exist for a year or so, before those people would give up whining about the people posting here.
I was wrong.
I underestimated just how long they would continue to make ridiculous comments about DU or its members.

It's sad, and it's pathetic to the Nth degree, for the members of that other site to make snarky comments about people posting on the DU forum just because some of us have a different viewpoint concerning politics.
It's no different than what the members of the Conservative Cave are doing.

Nevertheless, it has become obvious to me that those people at that other site only have 1 agenda . . to make DU an echo chamber for Hillary's campaign.
Since that is not going to happen in the near future, I hope you put those DU members who are still posting here -- and still posting on that other site, as well -- on ignore.
Nothing you are going to say to them is going to change their minds, anyway.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
251. They have a whole section on me now?
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:32 PM
Nov 2015

Someone recently sent me a screenshot that showed certain members are trying to make me paranoid. I guess my continued presence here made them double down on the stalking.

I won't let trolls intimidate me into silence, no matter which cave they're from. When bigots and bullies hate you it's a sign you're doing something right.

Thanks for the heads up, I'll keep challenging the lies and posting facts. DU has been my home since 2004 and I won't be driven off by cowardly keyboard commandos.



Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
252. Can't miss it, it's right at the top of their forum.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:07 AM
Nov 2015

As if calling you a liar takes precedence over supporting the candidate of their choice.
As if calling you a liar will get their candidate automagically nominated to be the Democratic nominee.

Or perhaps, it simply justifies their existence on the internet.

However, arguing with toxic people like that will make you sick.
Stay away from toxic people.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
256. Some guy named Bill started it?
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 10:05 AM
Nov 2015

Well, thank goodness there's no one here by that name. I'd hate to think that we'd have such a despicable person as a member of DU.

I guess we'll never know who that person is.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
262. LOL .... just had to go over and read that.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:44 PM
Nov 2015

They can't compete with her here but they just had to have at her publicly in some way, (because we all know of the Grumble or other hidden forums they normally for this sort of thing).

The truth ........... it burns.

Excellent work, bmus!





 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
254. I have more regulars on ignore than not
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:49 AM
Nov 2015

It makes for a far more pleasant read. I was called for jury duty in a thread by someone on my ignore list. Holy shite...there was some deep mud slinging. All the people I put on ignore are staying on ignore. There is just no reason to read what they post. The level of anger is palpable. I am afraid some will self combust.

Of course, I will only know that happens if someone posts something here about it.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
255. That's the best course of action.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 07:09 AM
Nov 2015

Some people are clearly unhinged and just want to drag everyone else down with them.

The things I've read here lately make me wonder what website I'm on.

The hosts locked one particularly vile thread last night.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
260. They are not honest brokers, and I do enjoy confronting dishonesty with facts and watching the
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:06 PM
Nov 2015

dishonest instantly resort to the oldest homophobic slams in the book. They are pikers, rhetorically starving, incapable of coherent response in the face of reason.
Also, they are utterly exploitative of very important issue sets. That just makes me sad.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
263. And I enjoy watching you confront the hypocrites.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 07:30 PM
Nov 2015

You have a memory like a steel trap and always have links to make your point. I've learned a lot from you, Blue.

Respect knuckles ---

n8dogg83

(248 posts)
261. The prevalence of those kinds of OP's indicate thay they are very nervous....
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:41 PM
Nov 2015

and Hillary is not as "inevitable" as they would have you believe. If she were a shoe-in for the nomination, why would they bother so much with the trolling and posts meant to demoralize Bernie supporters? All I can say is ignore the posts that are nothing more than attempts to stir up shit. If you have citable sources that can refute a particular argument, post it, then leave the forum. No point in sticking around and getting dragged into something that will serve no purpose but to get you banned.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
264. Excellent advice.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 07:37 PM
Nov 2015

By challenging the lies and getting out quickly you win.

By ignoring the flamebait and not feeding the trolls you win.

Do not be intimidated by bullies or provoked by disruptors.

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