Clintonistas starting to gloat over Hillary's superdelegate lead!

[LongTomH]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141245359

Quote from the Bloomberg article:

Based on a memo from campaign manager Robby Mook and delegate figures provided by the Democratic National Committee, Bloomberg Politics estimates Hillary Clinton has well over 500 superdelegate commitments, putting her even closer to securing the minimum number needed to win the party's nomination before ordinary voters cast a single ballot in a caucus or primary.

“Today, Hillary has more support from superdelegates than all the pledged delegates awarded in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina, and a third of delegates awarded on Super Tuesday combined,” Mook said in the memo, which was sent to supporters on Tuesday and obtained by Bloomberg. (Politico reported on the memo earlier Wednesday.)

That confirms my suspicion that the Clintons, and the Clintonistas on DU, are willing to say: "to Hell with democracy! We want a coronation!"

If Bernie goes into the convention with a strong lead, and Hillary turns it around with the superdelegates, we are going to lose a lot of the formerly disillusioned young people that Bernie brought back into the system.

[retrowire]

1. To hell with it indeed!

Never forget.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251707570

Yeah, if Hillary wins nomination because of this superdelegate business alone... I'll just think, "Well, the electoral college decides the general and the superdelegates decide the primary. FUCK MY VOTE."

[Ed Suspicious]

4. Yeah. I vote write-in if I sense super delegate shenanigans.

[retrowire]

6. Everyday I'm considering it.

I've never voted before...

Why would I want my first vote to be for the one that DIDN'T inspire me to vote for the first time in my life?

Bernie gave me hope and passion, and I wonder, even if it doesn't go his way, should I give him the vote he inspired me with to begin with?

[Kelvin Mace]

2. Just a suggestion,

I am on record on DU as supporting Bernie, but I object to the use of the term "Clintonista". We should never lower ourselves to using Rush Limbaugh's vernacular.

And yes, they may call us names, but I would hope we were better than that.

[arcane1]

5. Agreed n/t

[A Little Weird]

7. I agree with you. n/t

[LongTomH]

11. Your point is well taken. I was really pissed off when I made my OP, and I still am!

Sometimes it's hard to be 'better' than the other side.

[Kelvin Mace]

12. I know, and many times they make it really hard

to take the high road. But take it we must.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

14. +1 n/t

[Admiral Loinpresser]

13. +1 n/t

[StandingInLeftField]

3. Is there a good source

To help me understand "superdelegates?"

[LongTomH]

10. This may help:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D-Alloc.phtml

Scroll down to 'unpledged delegates.'

[Mark Grable]

8. Well, if Bloomberg says it's definitly going to be Hillary, then ...

I'm even more committed to Bernie.

[Puglover]

9. Jury results.

On Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:43 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Clintonistas starting to gloat over Hillary's superdelegate lead!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128067134

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Please stop using Clintonistas

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:51 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: Please stop sending ridiculous alerts. This alert is a perfect example how thin skinned folks can be. Tell the OP to knock it off if it is so offensive to you.

[Teagan]

20. How nice of Juror #5

[L0oniX]

26. Anti Bernie Clintonista trolls gonna troll.

Last edited Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:53 PM - Edit history (1)

[restorefreedom]

30. so now they are coming into a protected group

to alert on post they don't like? While the desperation grows almost daily

[Puglover]

34. But Hillary supporters are the ones being

"silenced" by evil Bernie alert swarms. They would NEVER alert.

If Hillary doe's indeed win the nomination this place is going to be an echo chamber complete with tumbleweeds.

[restorefreedom]

35. if that happens,

i might have to find some long term project that will require me to be away from du until after inauguration, at least

[Puglover]

37. We are moving to Ecuador permanently

12/11. My plan is to enjoy paradise and check out DU for laughs.

[restorefreedom]

38. wow. i was thinking canada

but i have seen some interesting house hunters programs in places like ecuador, belize, nicaragua and the DR. hmmmmm

[restorefreedom]

39. will they let you bring your pugs? nt

[Puglover]

41. One old guy.

Yeah he will be on my lap. 2 cats under the seats. Dad will probably need some Xanax.

[restorefreedom]

43. the kitties are going too? yay!

i like ecuador already!

yes i understand about the stress of trip...i think i would be a nervous wreck.

if you don't mind my asking, what drew you to ecuador?

[Puglover]

44. Lovely culture

Perfect climate (for me) 75 degree days, 55 degree nights. I can play in the garden 365 days a year.

Just more peaceful.

Oh and pretty.

My house while being built along with a nice view.

[restorefreedom]

45. gorgeous. i hope you still visit us here,

but with that view, i could totally understand if you didn't

[smokey nj]

40. They've been doing that the whole time.

They also like to send SOP alerts, we just ignore them.

[restorefreedom]

42. seems odd

that supporters of a candidate with a lock on the nom would bother to alert on a bunch of hippie progressives supporting a "fringe" candidate who has no chance at all


very odd........

[Admiral Loinpresser]

15. If DWS pulls that bullshit,

that means war and DEATH to the Democratic Party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[yeoman6987]

28. If it had not been the same system since 1976, I'd agree but this is not new

[Admiral Loinpresser]

36. I'm Ok if they adhere to the 2008

precedent with President Obama and Superdelegates. That was done democratically. But if they go the other way, (i.e. Bernie wins more regular delegates, but Superdelegates stick with Hillary) then all bets are off and we are in a state of political war in the Democratic Party.

[ruffburr]

16. This goes beyond-

Hillary and her supporters, This is total proof the electoral system itself is rigged and being manipulated by corporations / politicians , I am beginning to wonder just how much longer the 99percent can stand for a country that is both financially and electoral rigged against them ever making progressive change for better lives?

[Demeter]

18. Unless she has their balls or ovaries or children in a jar, it doesn't count

Pie crust promises are easily made and just as easily broken. She cannot "lock up" super-delegates...unless she buys them, and has a written contract, at which point the country explodes anyway...

[cascadiance]

19. So much for this DLC infested "Democratic" party believing in a *democratic* process anymore!

If they want voters to feel like they are being honest with them, perhaps DWS should work with the DNC to get the party's name changed to something different that isn't a false label any more!

Party of the people? Where is it today?

[L0oniX]

25. It's just an oligarchy process.

[Babel_17]

21. It's non-binding support. IIRC, in 2008, Secretary Clinton had defections

https://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/obama/obama010308prvi.html

POSTING on Obama for America website
May 10, 2008

Two Virgin Island Superdelegates Endorse Barack Obama; Delegate Countdown - 157 To Go

Virgin Island superdelegates Carole Burke and Kevin Rodriquez endorsed Barack Obama today. Rodriquez had previously backed Senator Clinton but decided to switch his endorsement, citing Obama’s ability to unite the Democratic Party and win the White House:

While I have great respect for Senator Clinton, today I am announcing my support for Barack Obama. Senator Obama has brought a new generation and energy into the democratic process and the Democratic Party. He has shown he can connect with Democrats, Republicans and Independents across this country, whether we live on the mainland or an island. Senator Obama’s judgment to lead, courage to tell the truth and commitment to working men and women make him the best candidate to lead this country forward.

274 superdelegates have now endorsed Barack Obama and 122 have endorsed since February 5. Obama is 157 delegates away from securing the Democratic nomination.

More than one thing to take away from that. Notice how many waited till February, and even later. If Clinton's people are pushing for endorsements now, and are willing to take on the not very democratic looking optics that comes from that, it's because they have serious doubts as to how their campaign will weather the primary season. Doesn't speak well of our party's establishment either.

Just do away with the process, but everyone should be thrilled to vote in the general election for the one they picked before a single primary result is in. That's a self defeating way to run a party. Though for many it's not primarily about us, the voters, it's about them, the leadership.

[Hiraeth]

22. Yes, they are gloating but, they all seem a little silly and slightly hysterical to me.

They have a feel of desperation about them. ... A last hurrah, if you will.

[SoapBox]

23. Just watch his speech from tonight with the students.

And the Bots can kiss our grits!

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCH1dpzjCEiGAt8CXkryhkZg

[L0oniX]

24. "superdelegates" representing the oligarchy.

[Autumn]

27. They aren't binding. She had more than Obama at one point in 2007-8.

No one really cares except her supporters.

[chillfactor]

29. no one is "gloating" about anything......

more politics drama...nothing more...

[Puglover]

31. They crank out this crap endlessly.

I really don't know who they are trying to convince. Bernie supporters or themselves. And I am staying with Sanders until it's over.

Oh and someone alerted this.

Guess what? I'm not locking.

[Autumn]

32. Neither am I

[TBF]

33. You could change the title-

Why are we calling other dems names? They are potential allies when Bernie wins the nomination.