Sanders and Clinton: What's all the shouting about?

[Autumn]

When Bernie Sanders used the word "shouting" during the Democratic presidential debate, he was referring to the tone of the gun control debate, not his opponent Hillary Rodham Clinton . Despite how obvious this was, Clinton (or perhaps her advisors) began slowly re-purposing the word as a sexist insult.

She made references to being "silenced" and being "told to quit talking" about gun control, one issue on which she differs sharply with Sanders. Finally, during a speech Friday at the Democratic National Committee's Women's Leadership Forum, she went with the strategy full tilt. "When women talk," she said, "some people think we're shouting."

The quote quickly became immortalized as the kind of bromide-in-a-text-box that gets passed around on social media because it's mistaken for wisdom. In spirited "You go, girl" fashion, women cheered Clinton on and backed her up, channeling their real-life grievances through this pretend affront and chalking Sanders up as sexist, even though his record on women is pretty spotless.

Let's say Sanders had accused Clinton of shouting; a better response from her would have been, "It takes one to know one." Sanders, as anyone can tell, is a world-class shouter. He shouts from the podium, where his volume not only goes up to 11 but also usually starts somewhere around eight. He's been known to shout at interviewers even when they're sitting a foot away. According to reports, he shouts at his staff. No matter where he is or what he's talking about, his delivery sounds like he's trying to order a bagel with a schmear in a cacophonous New York deli.

Interesting. When he shouted at the debate about the country being sick of her damn e mail. She didn't complain about that.



http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-daum-shouting-hillary-clinton-20151029-column.html

[Demeter]

1. Aesop's Fables apply here

Fable #1: the Scorpion and the Frog

A scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, they would both drown. Considering this, the frog agrees, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When the frog asks the scorpion why, the scorpion replies that it was in its nature to do so.

The fable is used to illustrate that fundamentally vicious natures cannot change.

Fable #2: the tortoise and the hare

The story concerns a Hare who ridicules a slow-moving Tortoise. Tired of the Hare's boastful behaviour, the Tortoise challenges him to a race. The hare soon leaves the tortoise behind and, confident of winning, takes a nap midway through the race. When the Hare awakes however, he finds that his competitor, crawling slowly but steadily, has arrived before him. The later version of the story in La Fontaine's Fables (VI.10), while more long-winded, differs hardly at all from Aesop's.

As in several other fables by Aesop, there is a moral ambiguity about the lesson it is teaching. Later interpreters have asserted that it is the proverbial 'the more haste, the worse speed' (Samuel Croxall) or have applied to it the Biblical observation that 'the race is not to the swift' (Ecclesiastes 9.11). In Classical times it was not the Tortoise’s plucky conduct in taking on a bully that was emphasised but the Hare’s foolish over-confidence. An old Greek source comments that 'many people have good natural abilities which are ruined by idleness; on the other hand, sobriety, zeal and perseverance can prevail over indolence.

[RobertEarl]

2. Look! Over there!!

The only thing I can find about Hillary and guns is an article about her considering grabbing guns (see my op in gdp)

So of course she is going to deflect so that people do not look at her record of doing nothing about guns.

Like you stated in your OP about Bernie being a shouter, this attack on Bernie is just more of the same old politics we can expect from Clinton.

[Blue_In_AK]

3. What I really don't understand

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is why some people think he owes her an apology. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

[winter is coming]

4. It's an attempt to maintain the facade that Bernie did something wrong. n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

5. It aggravates me to the point

that I hate to even set foot in GD: P. In the 11 years I've been posting at DU, I've only had one post hidden, but if I said what I really think these days, they'd probably have me tombstoned within a day.

[Enthusiast]

6. I know the feeling.