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Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:04 PM

 

"It's a purchase"

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Reply "It's a purchase" (Original post)
SHRED Dec 2015 OP
pangaia Dec 2015 #1
Nyan Dec 2015 #2
JackInGreen Dec 2015 #3
AzDar Dec 2015 #4
Iwillnevergiveup Dec 2015 #5
Fawke Em Dec 2015 #6
cui bono Dec 2015 #34
SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #7
roguevalley Dec 2015 #8
cui bono Dec 2015 #35
tecelote Dec 2015 #9
ErikJ Dec 2015 #10
lunatica Dec 2015 #12
ErikJ Dec 2015 #13
lunatica Dec 2015 #14
ErikJ Dec 2015 #15
Maedhros Dec 2015 #16
ErikJ Dec 2015 #17
DUbeornot2be Dec 2015 #18
ErikJ Dec 2015 #19
DUbeornot2be Dec 2015 #20
airplaneman Dec 2015 #28
airplaneman Dec 2015 #29
Maedhros Dec 2015 #32
cui bono Dec 2015 #36
smokey nj Dec 2015 #31
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2015 #39
hopemountain Dec 2015 #22
lunatica Dec 2015 #40
JDPriestly Dec 2015 #25
ErikJ Dec 2015 #27
Enthusiast Dec 2015 #11
azmom Dec 2015 #21
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #23
Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #24
antigop Dec 2015 #26
zentrum Dec 2015 #30
Tortmaster Dec 2015 #33
marble falls Dec 2015 #37
raouldukelives Dec 2015 #38

Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:25 PM

1. This guy walks the walk.



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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:26 PM

2. Reporter: "How do you beat Hillary?"

Bernie: "By getting more votes."

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:55 PM

3. Damn

*bows head*

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:01 PM

4. BERNIE!!

 

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:22 PM

5. BRAVO!

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:28 PM

6. Yep, so we have to

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:30 AM

34. Love that pic!!!

Gonna have to use that.

Bern against the machine!

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:28 PM

7. The man is awesome!

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:33 PM

8. this man will win.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:32 AM

35. I truly believe that.

I also believe that if he doesn't get the nom, we will lose about 1/3 of Dem voters for many cycles to come. With all the enthusiasm he gets if the establishment/corporate candidate wins, people will give up and figure what's the point.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:35 PM

9. K&R

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:01 PM

10. He does take a lot of $ from unions though.

 

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:15 PM

12. Are you saying unions are billionaires buying votes?

Or that they're an Oligarchy taking money out of the hands of the middle class and stuffing their own pockets with it?

Or are they the 1% who run the banks and Wall Street?

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Response to lunatica (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:26 PM

13. Some unions are anti-environmental though

 

like the unions lobbying for XL pipeline and auto-workers lobbying for big gas guzzlers.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:32 PM

14. Well, they're wrong to do that

Although they're fighting for jobs, not to line their pockets. There is a distinction. They would fight just as hard for environmentally friendly jobs if those were what the workers had.

They can't exactly fight against their members' jobs and leave people jobless can they?

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Response to lunatica (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:41 PM

15. I hope Bernie will be able to resist the anti-environ unions influence

 

The AWU fought tooth and nail in the past to not raise miles per gallon legislation. Especially their bought off Dem senator in Michigan. Cant remember his name now. He died last yr I believe.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:44 PM

16. It's too bad he doesn't have all that pro-environmental Wall Street money...

 

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:54 PM

17. Wall St money is better than Big Oil, Coal money

 

which is one reason the Clintons decided to go with Wall St $ rather than others. Bill knew the unions were dying so had to find new $ source and Wall St was what the 3rd way thought was most benign source.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:18 PM

18. So...

... you are suggesting those who plunder citizens hard earned savings, retirement plans, and who foreclosed on millions of peoples homes are a more benign choice? That is third way?

Happy people, secure in their homes filled with their own earned posessions are far more likely to creatively solve the problems caused by the greedy coal, oil, and gas bosses than people who have had everyting conned from them by crooked bankers, traders, hedge-funders who have paid off crooked politicians to keep the game rigged against the voting populace...

Of course that's just my opinion.





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Response to DUbeornot2be (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:29 PM

19. Big banks should be broken up if too big to fail

 

And we need a PUBLIC state bank in each state like N. Dakota. Or maybe a national public bank. And the Fed should be nationalized.
If the biggest banks are too big to fail, then they need to be broken up to prevent another trillion $ public bailout like in the 2008 TARP.

And u'r right about a large middle class being comfortable enough with enough time to tinker in their garages which has been a huge source of innovation in America.
So Bernie is right about trying to break them up but it will be a tough one even for him.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:16 PM

20. Agreed...

... bankers have done everything they can to keep the workers down and their monstrous, predatory institutions need to be broken up. Criminal bankers should go to jail, not be appointed positions in the fed.

People like Hillary, who support these folks as they get wealthier by tacking fee after fee on low-balance($) customers then come tell me how hard they are fighting for me, really make me sick.

So Hillary makes about $4000./minute if her "speeches" are an hour at $250K. Yeah, I guess I can see why she thinks people unfortunate enough not to have bank accounts should have to pony up almost an hour's pay at minimum wage just to have the priviledge of getting paid for a day's work... or to have to work over half a day to cover one accidental overdraft fee of $35. per... The eggregious examples go on from there. Yeah, she's fighting for the little guy!

It's time to put campaign finance in the hands of the public and to impose regulations on broadcasters to limit what they charge for political advertising, thereby decreasing the funding needs of campaigns so they can get back to solving our problems.

Those two steps would be significant as a first move in taking the power back from the media and the banks who profit as a result of a rigged system while us citizens simply struggle to stay alive...

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:50 PM

28. I'm with you on public banks.

I never realized how bad it was until I discovered Ellen Brown a proponent for public banks.
I knew about banks gouging customers but I was unaware that private banks have taken over the supply of the money of this entire country and use that advantage for themselves mainly.
If you have not already check her do it here:

http://ellenbrown.com/

-Airplane

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:52 PM

29. Im with you

Are you aware of Ellen Brown a proponent of public banks.
Check her out here if you have not.

http://ellenbrown.com/

-Airplane

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:20 AM

32. Yeah, we saw how THAT worked out...[n/t]

 

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:33 AM

36. So the Clintons shopped around for the best puppetmasters?

Wow. What a ringing endorsement.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:24 PM

31. You don't have to hope, he already has.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:28 AM

39. Perhaps.....then again..we do not know which unions are supporting him.

I assume he aligns with the good ones.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:25 PM

22. unions are striving to keep the jobs of their members.

you know, the working class. their money represents the working class. super pac money from the banks and corporations represent the greed that is taking down this country - it is blood money, actually.

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:44 PM

40. I agree with you

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:33 PM

25. The nurses union is with him. I think that is OK, but if the nurses union were included in

a universal ban on superpacs in elections, I'd be happy.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:18 PM

27. Along with public financing of campaigns

 

yes the unions would probably be prohibited too.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:12 PM

11. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

Wake up, people!

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:45 PM

21. Bernie is not for sale.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:04 PM

23. So true!

People need to know that certain politicians are bought.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:26 PM

24. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, SHRED.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:38 PM

26. Ouch! nt

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:19 PM

30. What a guy!

So similar to FDR.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:45 AM

33. I don't understand the disconnect.

Senator Sanders claims that Super PACs buy elections, that he will make Citizens United a litmus test for his Supreme Court nominees, and yet he says that he will take a knife into an advertising gunfight.

Either advertising works, or it doesn't. Which is it?

Seven of the richest ad campaigns in history-- combined --totaled 93.6 million in television and other advertising dollars, and that's from heavy hitters like Honda, Pepsi and Chrysler. Republicans are said to be pouring $2 billion plus into the 2016 election.

At this point, though, even the Koch brothers seem to be backing off their initial proposed budget of $889 million dollars for 2016. I believe this is because they can sense that Secretary Clinton is the overwhelming favorite. That is especially true if her running mate turns out to be Secretary Julian Castro. Such a combination would be the kind of dream ticket that could beat any possible Republican configuration, including Zombie Reagan and Baby Jesus.

If, on the other hand, Senator Sanders somehow wins the nomination, then the Koch brothers and the rest of the GOP sharks will smell blood and spend as much as a billion dollars on TV, radio and internet advertising just in Florida and Ohio. And according to Senator Sanders' own logic and rhetoric that would spell his doom. Because advertising works. Why else would anyone care about Citizens United?

That's why Secretary Clinton's plan of action, more nuanced and much smarter, is to use the weapon that the GOP created to beat them, then disarm it.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 07:20 AM

37. When you're right,you're right and once again Bernie's right. Nailed it.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:14 AM

38. K&R Some invest in Wall St, some in democracy for all. nt

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