i think some are scared...anyone else notice a huge increase on attacks on bernie?

[restorefreedom]

i don't even need to link..they are all over gdp. something tells me the internal polling for hillary is bad for iowa and nh, and the talking points have been distributed.

[n2doc]

1. Almost 2016

It is just going to get worse. Until she loses.

[Yallow]

20. We Are Past The "First They Ignore You" Phase

Hard to ridicule / laugh at someone most Americans agree with.

We all know what comes next.

[Schema Thing]

28. ^ this

[Enthusiast]

50. Huge +1!

[Nyan]

2. I noticed.

And not just from H campaign. DNC, media, Trump, and now O'Malley campaign.
Looks like Bernie's about to win.
DNC might be cooking something at the moment. To blow him up right before the first primaries.

[restorefreedom]

6. yeah. big fan of om

but very disappointed. he knows the debates would have gotten them kicked out of the "official" debates.

dnc plotting i am sure...already stalling on the investigation.

[Hiraeth]

3. Almost like someone is seeking attention and tootint their own horn and if they smear Bernie, too

well ... so much the better. Yes, I have noticed.

Seems someone is doing the time warp dance this morning.

[Faux pas]

4. No, I haven't noticed

maybe because I've got almost all the hrc supporters on ignore. Life is sweet.

[Rod Beauvex]

5. I don't.

I've found it far too fascinating to see what any given posters says about a thread's subject vs who they have in their sig and/or avatar.

We have a lot of right wingers here, or at the very least, right of center.

[Scuba]

16. Yep. I have nobody on ignore, but do manage to ignore a lot of their bullshit.

[Yallow]

18. Same Here Scuba

I don't ignore anyone.

They all add to perspective. Right or wrong.

[Plucketeer]

24. Me too

No ignore list at all. If I start to go thru a thread and one of several, notable names starts to appear repetitively, I just don't read the "substance" of their posts. I already know what they're saying - the same inane blah-blah-blah they put up in defense of the coronated one.

[Paka]

78. That's pretty much my technique.

[GoneFishin]

85. I have nobody on ignore. I learn a lot that way. I do mumble "blah, blah, yadda, yadda" a lot though

[Faux pas]

93. I don't get a kick out

of venom and hate. Kudos for having thicker skin.

[restorefreedom]

7. i had a number of people on ignore

decided on christmas eve to purge my ignore list in an effort to have civil but spirited debate.

i wasn't missng a lot

probably will start a new list soon, and as before, anyone swatting a bug goes on first.

[Ed Suspicious]

8. I did the same thing a week ago. It's been . . . predictable.

[restorefreedom]

9. i really used to enjoy talking with some of the hrc supporters

disagreement is fine. but the vile and dishonest attacks on bernie are getting ridiculous. it has to be pure fear.

[CoffeeCat]

58. I have been astounded at how lame the attacks are

They've got nothing on Bernie. Nothing.

I mean, "Oh yeah, well Bernie didn't want more debates!" and some lame thing about his service record from 50 years ago. ...Really?

My favorite is, "Oh yeah, but just wait until he's vetted!" Uh..sorry sweetheart....
The guy has been in public office for 30+ years. He's a well-known public figure who has survived local and US senate elections. They have nothing on him so they have to throw out the suggestion that something...maybe...possibly...could come out. But what, they can't say! Lol

[restorefreedom]

60. yeah, i mean if the red menace didn't stick all these years....

not gonna work now..

i can understand them being sad...looks like 08 again and this is her last attempt in all likelihood.

but to get down and dirty, well thats sad, infuriating, and pathetic at the same time.

[Old Codger]

26. Going to do that also

But do agree and bug swatters will go back pretty quick ... Pretty bad when there are 30- 40 replies to an OP and I can only see 8 or 10 of them

Shit, I purged the entire list and started reading again and now am starting it all over again...Too much trouble to ignore the posts themselves so better for my blood pressure to go ahead and re-ignore them

[restorefreedom]

38. yup. thats. my thinking too

i had a christmas unity feeling come over me, so i purged it. but only a couple of hrc supporters even respond to me, even when i reply to their comments. which means they have ME on ignore, or they just don't want to talk to me.

i don't need crap like that in my life. i am also back to trashing entire threads. when i see a particularly inflammatory thread about bernie and its a certain poster, into the trash it goes. of course as i rebuild my ignore list again, i eventually will not even see those threads

[Faux pas]

90. I haven't had to add

any for awhile, maybe I got them all?

[restorefreedom]

100. good for you....enjoy! nt

[sarge43]

15. Same here. Does wonders for the blood pressure and the immune system. n/t

[Faux pas]

91. It sure does and it

keeps me in my peace, love and joy zone.

[mikehiggins]

83. Me too. Things are much less annoying around here since I discovered the block function n/t

[Faux pas]

92. It's the best function here

for sure.

[Trajan]

102. I have a huge ignore pile ....

Giant .... actually ...

I enjoy the relative peace and quiet ....

[Faux pas]

106. Yep, it's great!

Good for you.

[PADemD]

10. Not just Democrats, Donald Trump has started attacking Bernie.

[restorefreedom]

11. he is also "attacking" the clintons

imo an attempt to push the "hillary is already the nom" meme and take attention from bernie.

i think trump is working for the clinton empire

[Cassiopeia]

37. Trump would be fine with a Clinton WH.

It would deliver the same results for him.

Trump spews a bunch of hate, but that's all just showmanship. All he really cares about is money and he knows Clinton will continue to be his good friend in that respect.

[restorefreedom]

39. exactly. he favors a corporate friendly candidate.

if its not going to be him, a clinton will do just fine.

[jehop61]

12. Also,

isn't it funny how there are so many more Hillary haters saying awful things about her here on DU?
(It's all a matter of perspective folks)

[restorefreedom]

17. personal attacks are always unhelpful

but criticizing policy, past decisions or votes, or pointing out a powerful donor base is not hating.

welcome to the bernie sanders group.

[Scootaloo]

76. Welcome to the Bernie Sanders group. Will you be posting here often?

[Autumn]

103. No they won't.

[stupidicus]

13. it's the same tactic their rightwinger cousins use

turdtossing until something sticks

[Duval]

14. Ohh, yes, I've noticed. But, next week (according to MSNBC) Bill will

be campaigning for her. Isn't that marvelous and won't that solidify support for Hillary? Not in this household.

[bvf]

19. Yes, it's pretty clear.

I recently learned that Sanders was a "draft-dodger."

Yep. Read that right here, in 20-fucking-15.

[Bjornsdotter]

23. Yeah...

...I saw that and was pretty surprised.

[sarge43]

36. Yeah they went there

All aboard the Swift Boat.

What's truly ridiculous is a fair share of the population don't even know what a "draft-dodger" is. It's not a hot button anymore.

They also seem to have forgotten the crap flung at Mrs Clinton's spousal unit concerning this subject. Really want to beat on that scar, Hillaryites?

[AzDar]

21. 'First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. THEN YOU WIN.'...

I reckon we are at Stage 3...

[restorefreedom]

42. yes we are definitely at stage 3, only one to go who hoo! nt

[dorkzilla]

22. Proof positive that they’re scared "Clinton Staff and Volunteers Busted for Astroturfing"

THE POPULAR AND influential Blue Hampshire blog on progressive New Hampshire politics recently busted a group of campaign staffers for registering anonymously on site and boosting pro-Hillary Clinton diaries on the group blog.

http://www.wired.com/2007/12/clinton-staff-a/

WIN AT ANY COST

...queue the alert police in 3, 2,....

[restorefreedom]

43. yup. its desperation now. nt

[Helen Borg]

25. Desperation!

especially with the latest DNCgate unfolding...

[fredamae]

27. Truth - He uses the Truth

Truth always Wins-sans Cheating. And that frightens the Shit outta those who choose to deceive.

[flor-de-jasmim]

29. I've noticed. Been on 6 juries since Dec. 6th

I think that is as many as the last year or two combined!

I have no one on ignore, just like others have mentioned, but I am ready for the voting to begin!! On the other hand, while I have been known to bemoan the long primary season, realistically, who but Hillary would have a chance if the primary season were just 3-4 weeks? Different perspectives, different voices--it's all a help in having people come to an INFORMED position and not merely a gut reaction.

[kenfrequed]

30. yup

The level of attacks has increased in fervor, intensity, and absurdity.

I wonder what is going on?

[Divernan]

34. Their internal polling shows them up shit creek with nary a paddle in sight.

[kenfrequed]

35. There are a few things...

The NYT and other bits of the media are starting to give Sanders a bit more attention.

Also there is a story that has started to gain traction that follows the job of the data specialist that worked for Sanders and how he was recommended.

The Hillary campaign is working through surrogates to throw as much mud against the wall in hopes of something sticking.

[Samantha]

31. I went thru GD-P and put everyone posting unsubstantiated statements against Bernie Sanders

on Ignore. It has had an enormous positive effect on my blood pressure. I am enjoying DU once again.

Sam

[restorefreedom]

40. yes, sam, i am looking forward to a bp lowering

as my ignore list grows

[Blus4u]

53. I thought I had contained....

....the flying monkey swarm, but they must be breeding.

Peace

[restorefreedom]

56. its like an out of control wildfire, now

peace to you!

[ejbr]

32. I love

how his invitation to tRump supporters will cause him to become a bigot to satisfy his new supporters. Yes, I read that! Bernie hasn't changed in decades and misguided voters are gonna flip the script. Whatever...

[SalviaBlue]

33. Many Bernie supporters have left DU

for JackPineRadicals.org.

The tone of DU has changed for the worse.

[restorefreedom]

41. thats an excellent point

i was just thinking last night of the ENORMOUS differnce in attitude and how i feel after being there vs being in gdp. its like worlds apart.

as jpr grows and fewer bernie posters post here consistently, the number of posts of hrc supporters will likely go up. it still gets me that they have to attack so virulently and inaccurately. fear is the only thing i can think of to motivate that.

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and

now MOM and his supporters have jumped on the "lying about Bernie" bandwagon.

They all see the crowds Bernie gets. They know he's going to win the nomination and they're scared.

It's hard to attack someone who constantly speaks the truth and everyone knows he speaks the truth. They just can't adapt to an Honest and ETHICAL politician.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[restorefreedom]

45. i truly worry about how how ugly

and corrupted this primary process is going to get. once he stsrts winning states, i worry about stuff like machine rigging, etc

hard to imagine tptb are just going to watch the returns in disgust and not try to notch it up.

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. Oh, the stuff we see now, is nothing compared to what's coming.

TPTB will stop at nothing to stop Bernie. All their $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ depends on HRH or a REPUB getting elected.

If Bernie's the nominee, I wouldn't put it past the DNC to let Bernie go it alone without their help. They'd rather have a TRUMP in the WH than someone as ethical as Bernie.

It's going to be the fight if our lives.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[restorefreedom]

48. agree. dws i believe, will

actively work against bernie. no way they want him there. they will work behind the scenes for trump. or maybe not even behind the scenes.

[mikehiggins]

84. Hey, let me be the first tin foil paranoid to suggest

Bernie keep his travel itineraries secret, or at least as much as is possible in the Land Of NSA.

[in_cog_ni_to]

86. ...

That's always been my main concern after his campaign started drawing massive crowds. It's not tinfoil hat conspiracy. If they think they can get away with it.......
And the corrupt corporate owned MSM is now their cover.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Lee Rigby]

47. I'm seeing it more and more.

If we've got them scared then we need to keep them that way. If Bernie wins Iowa its game over for Hillary, the press will call it a rerun of 2008.

[restorefreedom]

49. and then nh

i don't think she will concede. she and the dnc establishment will throw every dirty trick they can, including trying to use superdelegates to steal the nom. if that happens, though, its over for the dem party.

[PowerToThePeople]

51. What I am noticing

Is they are not even hiding their right wing belief systems any more. Until recently they at least would try to conceal it to make it look as though they were left to center-left.

[restorefreedom]

54. yup. i think fear and desperation

have broken through the thin veil that was there before.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

52. I've noticed that

[restorefreedom]

55. it seems to get worse daily in gdp...must be getting scared. nt

[PowerToThePeople]

62. I may not notice any more

I redid my ignore list today after getting caught in a troll bait thread.

Put a dozen of the worst right wingers on full ignore. GDP will probably start looking pretty tame to me now.

[restorefreedom]

64. i think i have to update mine too

i recently did a purge, but with the latest filthy bile, gonna have to rebuild

[CoffeeCat]

57. You are exactly right

There's a lot of shit going down in Iowa. All signs point to a very anemic Clinton campaign with very low enthusiasm. And believe me, they've tried everything in Iowa. Bernie was blacked out of he media while the headlines screamed that Clinton was inevitable. Literally. That's not a joke.

The media has been so biased here that an article about the Des Moines debate included info about Hillary's economic policies, video of her speaking about the economy--and not one mention of Sanders. Crazy.

Despite all of this, Bernie's rally's are attracting 2,000+. Her rallies get 200-300 people, some not even that.

The last two Iowa polls show Clinton with a single-digit lead.

There's one month before The Iowa caucus. The mo is with Bernie. The Clinton camp knows that if they don't stop the hemmoraghing that she's toast. If the trends continue, it could be a big loss for her.

Sander's drew 10,000+ crowds in the summer in Iowa. He stopped these big rallies. My guess is that he's waiting to unleash the big firepower during the last few weeks of Iowa campaigning, to help him peak at the right time. Can you imagine the further damage to the Clinton camp if she continues to draw sparse audiences and Sanders has 10,000 screaming fans in downtown Des Moines? The optics will kill her.

I think the Clinton camp is in crisis in Iowa. They're most likely going to lose NH too. There goes every narrative that her campaign has spent building up for the past 8 years.

Bernie has 20 Iowa events scheduled from 12/23 until Jan 1. Clinton hasn't done any Iowa campaign events since 12/22 and according to her campaign won't return to Iowa until 1/4.

[restorefreedom]

59. wow, looks like the mojo is with bernie

and i agree, if she goes down in iowa and nh, its gonna be tough to climb back, despite the "southern firewall".

can't wait to see those prevote rallies!!

[CoffeeCat]

61. I am really dying to see

what happens in Iowa too!

This state is turned into a political zoo, and I hope it is just as wild as 2008. That was a crazy caucas season.

Will be interesting to see what kind of season it will be; and what both campaigns have in store for our state, and the nation.

Next week we should see things heat up a bit!

[restorefreedom]

63. its getting exciting for sure! nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

65. Now

the MOM fans have jumped on the Bash Bernie Bus as a final effort to get their 1% candidate some needed attention. MOM was someone I thought would be a good VP choice, but I am sooooo over that thought!

I can't wait until Bernie takes Iowa and NH in LANDSLIDE wins. I look forward to the spinning!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Ino]

67. Yep, I've put all 3 MOM supporters on ignore...

which will effectively put MOM himself on ignore, since no one else reports on him.

What were they thinking?!

[jfern]

66. Yougov had Hillary up only 53-39

[restorefreedom]

68. where? iowa? or is this national?

gotta be national yes? too big of a spread for iowa

[jfern]

69. National

[restorefreedom]

70. ok thats what i thought, thx. nt

[PyaarRevolution]

71. Few big things to note.

Last edited Sat Jan 2, 2016, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)

This is for Hillary and Bernie supporters to note. In order for a revolution to occur it only takes 3.5% or 4.7%(MAY be off on .2% on the 4.7 number). This has been documented and it comes even sooner when non-violence is the tool used. So I ask you, do you think we have the numbers with Bernie to inaugurate a peaceful political revolution? I think we do and that some of the Trump supporters may come with us and distance themselves from Trump, especially from the racism and Misogyny propagated by that campaign given Trump's silence.
This peaceful political revolution will happen whether Bernie wins the nomination or not and I'd just as soon it happen sooner rather than later. Bernie is the catalyst for this change. Sing it with me...runoff voting, voting holiday, tuition-free universities, Medicare for all, paper ballots, etc. Ideas like these will make our political system truly a reflection of the people, including the Hillary supporters, will be more happy with their state/federal/local election results I would assume.
Also, along the campaign, primary and general, I would ask Anonymous to keep an eye on the voting machines and make sure no fraud is being perpetrated.

[restorefreedom]

72. sounds good to me

yes, hoping anon keeps eyes on the machines. no way tptb are just going to stand by while the people take their power back.

and i agree we have the numbers

[LWolf]

73. An increase in what was already significant.

Not only an increase. We've seen that what seems to be many attacks are just a few of the same attacks, repeated ad nauseum several times a day and resurrected weekly and monthly, because it seems like the agenda is to make sure that there are plenty of attacks on the front page at all times, whether there is any legitimacy or not.

I'm not sure if I've just got attack fatigue, or if my impressions are true, but it seems like the attacks are not only increasing in number, but in pure illogic and ludicrosity.

The determined demeaning, patronizing, and engaging in ludicrous attacks is a hopeful sign for me. If he really had no chance, they wouldn't have to work so damned hard to try to derail his campaign.

[restorefreedom]

74. agree. they are getting more and more ridiculous

and yes, they must be pretty worried about his chances of winning, or else they would just be laughing at him.

nobody is laughing now

[PyaarRevolution]

75. Straight out of Goebbels playbook.

He discusses telling the lie enough times and people will believe it.

[Kalidurga]

77. I think they are emboldened by the fact a lot of Bernie supporters have gone to a better place

So, now the patients are running the asylum. I am not talking about all of Hillary's supporters of course, just the loud obnoxious few who like to brag about how much money they make. And others who think that asking for a living wage law is asking for puppies and rainbows.

[LiberalElite]

80. "gone to a better place"

We ain't dead yet!

[Kalidurga]

82. But the other place is more heavenly

[LiberalElite]

87. That's very true eom

[840high]

81. Yes - the money bragging and

the constant polls - some I have put on ignore.
Happy New Year.

[restorefreedom]

89. i definitely underutilize ignore

happy new year

[Left Coast2020]

79. I fear the DNC would do the same thing it did to Howard Dean in 04....

Do ro-bo calls at 2AM claiming to be Bernie. That's exactly what happened just before Iowa Caucasus. I don't put it past DWS and her minions to pull something like this. These are nasty filthy people we are dealing with.

[restorefreedom]

88. i think so too

but i also think that the veil is off.. people will know it is dws and her dirty tricks


we know too much now.

[RichVRichV]

105. The difference is the evolution of the internet.

Smears and dirty tricks now get called out and dis-proven within minutes or hours, not days or weeks. They have no chance to take hold and become accepted as truth. Plus we can instantly look up information, such as who a number for a 2 am phone call actually belongs to.


It's why I refuse to put people on ignore or leave GD-P. I do my small part not letting people that are attacking Bernie set the narrative.

[Autumn]

94. If we Bernie supporters were all banned, on time out or just quit fricking posting for 24- 48

hours there would be maybe 40 people here talking to each other. Let them get all freaked. Who cares?

[senz]

95. If this site weren't so well-known and read by the public, I could agree

but I worry about doing this in the middle of a primary. If all or even most Bernie supporters disappear, this frequently viewed site could become a visible advertisement for Hillary. That would hurt Bernie, imo.

I hope people will stay here until the primary convention. Then, if the wrong candidate wins, we could vacate in droves and it would be entirely appropriate. But if Bernie wins, we could virtually own this site.

Think about it.

[Autumn]

109. You do know that the admins who

own this site support Hillary? Try logging out and look at GDP. The Bernie supporters will never own this site, in fact the Bernie Forum and it's supporters are alert stalked even in our protected group. If a person doesn't like an op in this group they will send alerts on them. Some of the nastiest alerts you will see. Often sent by people on time outs.

I spend less and less time here. I am here because of the posters in the Bernie group.

[senz]

110. Yes, I'm completely aware of it.

But please reread my comment. When I said "own," it was only in reference to Bernie's winning the nomination. At that point, there would be no other presidential candidate to support. My concern is that this place as a news and information site for Democrats could be, and is becoming, less helpful for Bernie with the exodus of our strongest supporters. I believe online PR and discussion is important now, as we have very little time before the primaries are decided. I just can't emphasize enough how self-defeating I think it would be for Bernie people to give up now. I've noticed that as some of our stronger Bernie people haven't been around, it's getting decidedly rougher around here for those of us who have remained.

I realize that the problems here are terribly unpleasant; I am shocked by what I see every single day. So if some can't take it anymore, it's totally understandable. And perhaps if Bernie supporters did leave, it might take the air out. But again, time is short. Time is short. If people could press on for a few more months ...

I had to strip down this reply; there is so much to say.

It's possible I'm blowing this out of proportion. I'm not on Facebook, so it could be that I'm unaware of great online pro-Bernie activity elsewhere. And maybe I'm placing too much importance on internet forums, period. Could be.

[restorefreedom]

98. i think after the nom becomes clear, i may just do that

i like the idea of a break though

i wonder if none of us were here would they still post smears against bernie?

[ladyVet]

96. I'm over there, in that heavenly place, but I'm still here, too.

I probably have too many Clinton supporters on ignore to reap the benefits of the cray cray, though. Don't pity me. I love it.

[restorefreedom]

97. cray cray lol

i want larry wilmore to come back its been too long!

[nc4bo]

99. Why in the heck is Hillary campaign news considered Late Breaking News??

Can't go unchallenged in GDP so let's all post campaign news in DU's LBN.

Desperate times require desperate measures I guess.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141301829

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141301827

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141301073

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141299935 (locked as off topic)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141299535

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141298789

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141297953

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1295940

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141294516

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141294163

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141293298

Of course, Sanders supporters are countering. It seems to go back to the data breach timeframe (where I think that is legitimate news) but the rest of it......just regular old campaign stuff.

[senz]

112. This is a good point, nc4bo

I hadn't noticed it before, but that's quite a collection.

If it interests you (or any Bernie supporter reading this), and if you would like to counter the Hillary pieces yourself, I was surprised to see an article about Bernie's Iowa campaign on the front of the NYTimes this morning. It also includes some info about Hillary's campaign.

Here's the link: www.nytimes.com/2016/01/04/us/politics/bernie-sanders-needing-early-lift-builds-iowa-ground-operation.html

There's an embedded link in it to a poll that looks good for Bernie -- might make a good OP of its own.

[Live and Learn]

101. It is pretty damn obvious. nt

[Warpy]

104. I've been on juries for some pretty hilarious ones

that remind me why I trashed GD- the day it was created. Yes, the party inner circle power brokers are running scared. Sanders is campaigning completely outside their influence. He's threatening to derail the gravy train permanently for the DLC.

Expect much worse. Or just trash that forum.

[PyaarRevolution]

107. Don't forget.

He's threatening to derail the one the media gets for campaign ads because of Citizens United. This is also why the media doesn't talk about Net Neutrality, they want the Internet controlled by essentially seeing pro-Bernie as well as Jill Stein visibility and others frozen out. Sure they won't overtly block it but they will throttle the connection so hard it will be difficult to stream "Democracy Now", FSTV and others. Verizon's head even commented that he has the right to express editorial discretion on those who use FIOS.

[restorefreedom]

111. its almost as if

there is an offsite place where they can coordinate this......

and yes, the less we engage, the faster the threads will drop