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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 07:59 PM Jan 2016

Charles Pierce: We Haven't Scratched the Surface of What Bernie Is Capable Of

... as far as I'm concerned, polling numbers as they relate to the screwy Iowa caucus system are completely meaningless, since so much depends on your campaign's ability to get enough white people to the local middle school. But the race has tightened in New Hampshire as well, and that leaves us to ponder what the week of free media is going to be like if Hillary Rodham Clinton, the consensus frontrunner, comes out of the beginning of the actual process at 0-2.

(I think cable news would be rendered a nightmare and/or a bloodbath. But I also think she's the only candidate alive who could survive those early losses. What she would have to do to survive them—raise even more big money, get physical with the TV ads, move toward a more Bill-type—likely would alienate further the party's activist base.)

And, if you want some more evidence that shit's getting real on the Democratic side, consider that the Clinton campaign has unlimbered Chelsea Clinton to rip Sanders on health care, and consider that HRC herself has decided to appear on Squint and the Meat Puppet on Friday in what appears to be a desperate attempt to re-establish some Green Room cred. (S. & M.P. are "on the scene" in Iowa, probably because cattle mutilations have fallen off.) The simple fact is that, if HRC has lost her lead at the moment, she has lost it to a superior campaign.

And it's not as simple as the "populist anger" narrative would have you believe. Sanders has been running a 50-state campaign since before he formally declared his candidacy. He went to South Carolina. He went to Mississippi. He drew large and approving crowds in both places. He has stayed doggedly on message, directly refusing to help the elite political class in its pursuit of shiny objects. He repeatedly has emphasized that the pursuit of his policy goals, which all have to do with breaking the power of impending oligarchy and its threat to self-government, cannot be limited simply to electing him. And that's where the easy narrative falls apart.

...

Meanwhile, Sanders punches up at the elites that, frankly, have more power in our politics than he does, or than you do, or than any politician does. He tells his audiences that he can't do it alone, that the money power has grown too great for any one person to combat. He needs them more than they need him. He is not Napoleon, he is a democratic politician. And that makes all the difference and that's why the "populist anger" narrative is a shuck. Anyone who says they could vote for either Bernie Sanders or He, Trump has been living for the last nine months with their head in a laundry bag.

... Bernie Sanders is where he is because the positions and the policies he has been championing all his career have come back somewhat into favor ever since some grifters broke the world economy and then made off with the rubble. That is why he's different from Donald Trump and that is why Hillary Rodham Clinton is noticing that things in the rear-view window are closer than they appear.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a41227/bernie-sanders-surge/

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Charles Pierce: We Haven't Scratched the Surface of What Bernie Is Capable Of (Original Post) phantom power Jan 2016 OP
LOL, "Squint and the Meat Puppet" tularetom Jan 2016 #1
Who is that? Someone on Fox? n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #3
Morning Joe Jackilope Jan 2016 #4
Oh. I don't watch that either, but great nickname! n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #5
I don't watch it either, but it does seem to fit. :-). n/t Jackilope Jan 2016 #6
damn funny list! Thanks! paleotn Jan 2016 #11
Joe Scarborough & Mika Brezinski ANOIS Jan 2016 #7
Nooooooooooo, If Charlie Pierce Is Talking THIS Way... ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #8
The rude pundit is a different person. smokey nj Jan 2016 #9
Lee Poppa I belive is the rude pundit, not sure of the spelling. He is really good though, love the litlbilly Jan 2016 #13
Yeah, Lee Papa Is Rude Pundit... BUT My Comments ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #14
I like Charlie too, and listen on Stephanies show. I listen to him, when he starts going where he's litlbilly Jan 2016 #15
Yeah, She Really Tries To Be Fair, But She DOES Favor Hillary... ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #18
I think Stephanie is having a hard time saying she is for Hillary. In 08 she was for Obama and I litlbilly Jan 2016 #19
Yeah, She Does Seem Be Waffling Some... ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #20
Angry. PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #21
K&R nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #2
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #10
Kick azmom Jan 2016 #12
Thanks, good stuff dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #16
The man has a lovely way with words. ladyVet Jan 2016 #17
love that last line Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #22
K&R.'..since some grifters broke the world economy and then made off with the rubble', gem. appalachiablue Jan 2016 #23
Mr. Pierce nails it again. n/t Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #24
Leave It To Hillary Supporters billhicks76 Jan 2016 #25

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
11. damn funny list! Thanks!
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jan 2016

....Since I love all things Dune....

Louie Gomert, Padishah Emperor of All Crazy People. Now that's funny as hell.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
8. Nooooooooooo, If Charlie Pierce Is Talking THIS Way...
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 09:59 PM
Jan 2016

he's saying a lot! He's also known as "the Rude Pundit" I believe. Apparently he's beginning to see what so many of us here see in Bernie. He's a call in commentator on the Stephanie Miller show every week and has had his doubts about Bernie winning.

He writes for Esquire and has been around for a very long time and is quite THE LIBERAL! He doesn't write "puff pieces" and tells it like it is. Charlie Pierce should never be ignored, that much I know.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
13. Lee Poppa I belive is the rude pundit, not sure of the spelling. He is really good though, love the
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:11 PM
Jan 2016

rude

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
14. Yeah, Lee Papa Is Rude Pundit... BUT My Comments
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:08 AM
Jan 2016

about Charlie Pierce remain the same. Charlie is older than Lee, but both are regulars on Stephanie Miller's show. They are on same wave lengths, Rude is a bit more, well Rude. His articles are becoming more aggressive and "stick it to you" punk!

Both are lefties for sure.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
15. I like Charlie too, and listen on Stephanies show. I listen to him, when he starts going where he's
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 02:33 AM
Jan 2016

going with Bernie, I tend to believe what he's saying.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
18. Yeah, She Really Tries To Be Fair, But She DOES Favor Hillary...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jan 2016

which is fine. She does add that she will vote for Bernie, but truly believes he won't be the nominee. I don't have a crystal ball but I do believe more people NEVER believed Bernie would have come so far.

I'm extremely happy that Bernie has caught on like wild fire. Just last August my two children and their family and children were all down in the Keys during lobster season and almost to a person told me, "I really support Bernie, but he can't win, or said THEY won't let him win," but I told them I'll fight anyway.

So 2 days ago my grandson, a millennial who just got his degree in computer engineering/programming came over to work on my PC. He walks in the door and first thing out of his mouth is "Well, I see our guy is getting some real cred!" Sooooo, we roll along! Most fires start small. BTW, my grand daughter can now vote and IT IS true, millennials are really supporting Bernie, big time.

The rolling stone IS gathering Mucho Moss! Sorry, late reply... got late and had an appointment this AM.
L8R

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
19. I think Stephanie is having a hard time saying she is for Hillary. In 08 she was for Obama and I
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jan 2016

think she is torn. I feel a half heartedness from her. Let's see where she goes after Bernie wins the first 2 states.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
21. Angry.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jan 2016

I'm a bit mad at Steph for agreeing with Hillary's comments against Bernie on Medicare for all. Jackie too. I expect better of Jackie especially since she's the healthcare expert on Steph's show.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
17. The man has a lovely way with words.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jan 2016

But, um. Hillary ain't seeing nothin' in that rear view mirror, because Bernie has already gone ahead of her.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
22. love that last line
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jan 2016

"...why Hillary Rodham Clinton is noticing that things in the rear-view window are closer than they appear. "

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