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Wed Jun 5, 2019, 08:48 PM

 

Joe Biden's support of the Hyde Amendment makes him unfit to lead

If Joe Biden wants to carry the banner of a party that claims to champion, protect and uphold the inalienable rights of black, brown and poor people, he must reverse his support of the Hyde Amendment and follow the lead of his fellow Democratic candidates. Anything less would be the former vice president throwing under the bus the people whose support he needs most directly, at a moment when they are uniquely vulnerable. These positions may not stop Biden from getting the Democratic Partyís nomination. But they make him unfit to lead.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-bidens-support-of-the-hyde-amendment-makes-him-unfit-to-lead/2019/06/05/b78f025c-87bf-11e9-a870-b9c411dc4312_story.html
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Reply Joe Biden's support of the Hyde Amendment makes him unfit to lead (Original post)
RedParrot Jun 2019 OP
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #1
DURHAM D Jun 2019 #2
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #3
RedParrot Jun 2019 #5
Cicada Jun 2019 #4
guillaumeb Jun 2019 #8
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #9
RedParrot Jun 2019 #10
JI7 Jun 2019 #6
DURHAM D Jun 2019 #12
hay rick Jun 2019 #7
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #56
Indygram Jun 2019 #57
Eko Jun 2019 #11
KayF Jun 2019 #52
Eko Jun 2019 #59
Indykatie Jun 2019 #13
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #22
RedParrot Jun 2019 #29
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #14
ucrdem Jun 2019 #15
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #17
ucrdem Jun 2019 #18
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #19
ucrdem Jun 2019 #21
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #24
ucrdem Jun 2019 #25
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #26
ucrdem Jun 2019 #31
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #34
ucrdem Jun 2019 #37
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #40
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #23
ucrdem Jun 2019 #27
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #33
melman Jun 2019 #32
ucrdem Jun 2019 #36
4now Jun 2019 #16
jalan48 Jun 2019 #20
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #28
jalan48 Jun 2019 #30
mr_liberal Jun 2019 #35
shanny Jun 2019 #55
GP6971 Jun 2019 #38
sop Jun 2019 #39
Indygram Jun 2019 #41
sop Jun 2019 #44
Indygram Jun 2019 #46
ucrdem Jun 2019 #42
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #43
Doodley Jun 2019 #45
Indygram Jun 2019 #47
Doodley Jun 2019 #48
Indygram Jun 2019 #49
Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #50
Doodley Jun 2019 #58
Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #53
MFM008 Jun 2019 #51
Kurt V. Jun 2019 #54
Scurrilous Jun 2019 #60
peggysue2 Jun 2019 #61

Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 08:53 PM

1. All of our candidates are fit to lead.

 

Including Bernie. Thereís one I wonít go that far with, but on the whole, they are all fit to lead. I canít read the editorial because of Bezosí paywall but I can smell the horseshit from here.
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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 08:53 PM

2. Who wrote this? nt

 

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 08:56 PM

3. Someone who is apparently unaware of Donald Trump's existence.

 

Is there some worm hole I donít know about?
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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 08:59 PM

5. WaPo OpEd

 

From the article:

Danielle Campoamor is a senior editor at Romper and the creator and writer of Bustleís Abortion AMA column.
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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 08:59 PM

4. Bill Clinton often said perfect should not be enemy of the good

 

Itís politics. Itís not philosophy graduate school.
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Response to Cicada (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:02 PM

8. But who must sacrifice their rights?

 

Do we prioritize which rights we will protect?
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Response to Cicada (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:04 PM

9. +100000

 

If today is any indicator there are a lot of people who could use a refresher on that point. Perspective is in short supply.
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Response to Cicada (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:04 PM

10. Hillary Clinton called for repeal of Hyde Amendment

 

2016 Democratic platform had a plank calling for repeal of Hyde Amendment.

Looks like Biden is out of step.
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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:00 PM

6. this is why he doesn't seem to be hurt by the criticisms he gets

 

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once you say he is unfit to lead people aren't going to take you seriously anymore.

it would be better to say something like Warren or another candidate is better on the issues so we should support that candidate.
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Response to JI7 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:16 PM

12. Exactly. nt

 

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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:01 PM

7. This doesn't make Biden "unfit to lead" but it looks like a big mistake.

 

This is a chance for him to blow his big, fat, comfortable lead.
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Response to hay rick (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:52 AM

56. Agree 100%, that's pretty much it... not a deal breaker either, but, WILL raise eyebrows...

 

as it should.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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Response to hay rick (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:53 AM

57. Perhaps not unfit, but definitely disqualifying, imo

 

At a time when Choice is under attack women and girls NEED a real champion who will NOT compromise on their bodily autonomy. After MeToo women will NOT just sit back and accept this.
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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:08 PM

11. Please.

 

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Response to Eko (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:41 AM

52. that is so rude

 

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Response to KayF (Reply #52)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:04 PM

59. If you say so.

 

I personally hate the Hyde amendment. I think laws based off of religion are absolutely insane but this is just another flavor of the day outrage. He came out against it today so like I said, flavor of the day outrage.
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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:26 PM

13. RedParrot Has Been on DU Less Than A Month and Already Pronouncing Candidates Unfit.

 

Pronouncing Biden unfit to lead because you disagree on his position on the Hyde Amendment is just flat out ridiculous. This may come as a surprise but the Hyde Amendment will not be a deal breaker for many Dems. I'm pro-choice but can see anti-choicers not wanting their tax dollars to fund abortions. There are so many other things more important to fight for than Federal funding for abortions when access to abortions is being lost every day. Abortion access not abortion funding is the hill Dems should be willing to die on in 2020.
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Response to Indykatie (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:51 PM

22. +1

 

Fair to say the summer offensive has begun in earnest.
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Response to Indykatie (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:06 PM

29. The author of WaPo's op ed is the one that declared Biden unfit to lead

 

Bidenís support of Hyde Amendment is out of step with the other candidates, 2016 Democratic platform, and our 2016 Presidential nominee.

As Rachel Maddow said tonight, Bidenís support for Hyde Amendment will not survive the primary season.
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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:33 PM

14. Offensive post and an extremist opinion.

 

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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:41 PM

15. He says he supports abolishing it:

 

posted by Cha in another thread:


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Response to ucrdem (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:45 PM

17. He said this, clearly on the fly, in May. In the past couple days, his campaign stated that he

 

in fact supports Hyde. Which raises a couple questions: Which is it, and if he supports Hyde, why the fuck does he support Hyde?
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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:47 PM

18. Well, ipsi dixit.

 

He said it himself, and there's tape. That about as unambiguous as it gets.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:49 PM

19. Looking forward to seeing him come out and say his actual campaign is wrong, then.

 

Which...is another problem altogether, isn't it.
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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:51 PM

21. Or maybe the rumor mill is mistaken?

 

That happens now and again
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:54 PM

24. Well, the NBC article citing his campaign came out this morning, and he hasn't commented

 

on it since.
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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:57 PM

25. Maybe a little birdie told them?

 

Those birds can be vicious.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:57 PM

26. His campaign says he "misheard the question."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/05/politics/joe-biden-abortion-hyde-amendment/index.html

Biden's campaign said in an emailed statement Wednesday that he "misheard the woman on the ropeline and thought she was referring to the Mexico City rule" -- a policy that prohibits federal funding for non-governmental organizations that offer or refer patients for abortions or advocate for expanded access to abortion rights. That policy is broadly opposed by Democrats and was repealed by Presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, only to be re-instated by George W. Bush and Donald Trump.

"He has not at this point changed his position on the Hyde Amendment. The Hyde Amendment does not prevent organizations in the US that provide lifesaving health care services for women from receiving the federal funding they need," Biden's campaign said. "But given the current draconian attempts to limit access to abortion, if avenues for women to access their protected rights under Roe V Wade are closed, he would be open to repeal."


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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:07 PM

31. Interesting.

 

But I can understand the confusion as it's kind of a gotcha question, the Hyde law itself having failed in 1977. Nevertheless his readiness to strike down the Mexico City gag law (a Trump policy prohibiting foreign countries from receiving aid tied to abortion services) shows his commitment to protecting this right.
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:10 PM

34. It's not really a gotcha. As many times as it's inserted into spending bills, anyone involved

 

in Congress is very familiar with what Hyde is all about. Not only is it a shit policy, it's a shitty way of making policy.
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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:14 PM

37. But it isn't a law, and it's up to Congress to add the rider each year.

 

That's why it's a gotcha.
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:27 PM

40. Poor Joe, who got got by an ACLU Life Member on the ropeline. Next time he'll know to say "no"

 

when asked if he's willing to repeal Hyde.
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:53 PM

23. Thanks.

 

That would matter more if the people complaining the loudest actually cared as much about the issue as they do using it as a bludgeon to help whoever theyíre cheering for.
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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:00 PM

27. It puts this one down fast, doesn't it?

 

YUGE hat tip to Cha for finding it!




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Response to ucrdem (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:09 PM

33. Cha is always on point. Always.

 

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:08 PM

32. ACLU tweet from today

 


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Response to melman (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:12 PM

36. Hyde has been dead for 12 years, so Biden can't support him.

 

Behold a meme in action.
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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:42 PM

16. Some people are here to divide the left

 

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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:50 PM

20. What's Biden's reason for supporting it?

 

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:01 PM

28. According to a campaign statement, it's because poor people whose pregnancies will kill them can

 

still get federal funds to pay for their abortion, so it's not that bad, and if Roe were overturned, he'd totally reconsider it...I guess?

Biden's campaign said in an emailed statement Wednesday that he "misheard the woman on the ropeline and thought she was referring to the Mexico City rule" -- a policy that prohibits federal funding for non-governmental organizations that offer or refer patients for abortions or advocate for expanded access to abortion rights. That policy is broadly opposed by Democrats and was repealed by Presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, only to be re-instated by George W. Bush and Donald Trump.

"He has not at this point changed his position on the Hyde Amendment. The Hyde Amendment does not prevent organizations in the US that provide lifesaving health care services for women from receiving the federal funding they need," Biden's campaign said. "But given the current draconian attempts to limit access to abortion, if avenues for women to access their protected rights under Roe V Wade are closed, he would be open to repeal."


https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/05/politics/joe-biden-abortion-hyde-amendment/index.html

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:06 PM

30. Thanks for the info. I didn't know this.

 

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:11 PM

35. he doesnt think people that oppose abortion should be forced to pay for abortions.

 

politically it's the correct position. voters are on the pro-choice side right now, but overreaching and not just being for choice but also for anti-abortion people being made to pay for it is a great way turn voters against you. republicans would love if a democrat ran on that in the ge.

this is a great example of how the left has a tin ear about how issues play to swing voters.
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Response to mr_liberal (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:44 AM

55. Sorry but that's lame.

 

I am opposed to many things that I am forced to pay for: war and fossil fuel subsidies top the list but there's plenty more, extending all the way down to the local level (why on earth should taxpayers foot the bill for sports stadiums?).
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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:19 PM

38. BS. n/t

 

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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:23 PM

39. If I recall Obama said he opposed gay marriage in 2008, supporting only civil unions,

 

then Biden came out very publicly for gay marriage in 2012, and Obama changed his mind. Biden was elected to the U.S. Senate in 1972 at the age of 29. Politicians take many positions and cast lots of votes during long careers, then later change their minds upon reflection.

This doesn't make Biden "unfit to lead," but he'd better make it very clear where he stands on this issue today. Having served in the Senate for 36 years in leadership positions, then 8 years as VP, Joe will likely face this same situation repeatedly during his candidacy.
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Response to sop (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:31 PM

41. At a time when women's reproductive rights are under vicious attack...

 

it does make him unacceptable for the nomination for anyone who cares about the rights of women and girls in this country. Biden is dead wrong on this.
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Response to Indygram (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:52 PM

44. I agree, the Hyde Amendment was an abomination

 

Banning the use of federal funds to pay for abortion except to save the life of the woman, or if the pregnancy arises from incest or rape, was the weasel's way to appease the anti-abortion crowd. It allowed the religious right to further chip away at abortion rights, and got us to where we are today.

I believe Biden took the coward's way out on this issue at the time. Maybe he's making a calculated move to the center, like Obama did with the gay marriage issue in 2008. In my opinion, if he doesn't clarify his position quickly, he'll lose a lot of votes.
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Response to sop (Reply #44)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:03 AM

46. The majority of America is opposed to the assault on choice

 

And ANYONE supporting ANYTHING that enables ANY level of attacks on women and girls autonomy over their bodies can go screw themselves.
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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:36 PM

42. "Unfit for Command" was the name of Jerome Corsi's swiftboat book:

 



Not a good bedfellow, Washington Post.
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:43 PM

43. Ahh...a kinder more genteel time

 

When everyone was clear eyed as to who the enemy was.
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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:31 PM

45. Give me an imperfect Joe over Trump and the GOP who are banning abortion and taking away healthcare.

 

Yes, he is fit to lead. I give him my full support because he is our best chance to prevent a second term of the worst president in American history.
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Response to Doodley (Reply #45)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:07 AM

47. If Democrats want to beat Trump then they damn well better consider

 

That their base is WOMEN OF COLOR...who are the most harmed by the IGNORANT support of the Hyde Amendment. Do you REALLY want them to have a reason to stay home? Really?
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Response to Indygram (Reply #47)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:15 AM

48. I don't want us to self-destruct by attacking other Democrats.

 

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Response to Doodley (Reply #48)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:29 AM

49. But enabling the attack on women is OK?

 

No thank you.
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Response to Indygram (Reply #47)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:42 AM

50. Give women of color more credit than that - there are countless other issues that impact our

 

community and the women that I know take their right to vote seriously. There is too much at stake and we will not stay at home and help a racist remain in power. That is a non-starter.
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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #50)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:35 PM

58. Well said. We have to stop attacking Democrats.

 

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Response to Doodley (Reply #45)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:36 AM

53. I do too.and the Hyde thing is the least of ok urban worries.

 

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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:24 AM

51. Im not happy

 

About this. I hope he clarifies at the debates.
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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:55 AM

54. live your values, the saying goes. dem values aren't monolithic but pretty basic. joe is off here.

 

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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:16 PM

60. He's back!

 

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Response to RedParrot (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:32 PM

61. The Only Person Unfit to Lead is

 

Donald Trump. He proves it Every Frigging Day.

Btw, since Biden has now apparently walked back his campaign's claim, this WAPO OP writer will need a rewrite, tout suite.

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