Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBiden reverses stance on Hyde Amendment after blowback
Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Biden said Thursday he no longer supports the Hyde Amendment, just one day after reaffirming his decades-long support for the ban on federal funding for abortions.
Bidens presidential campaign had said Wednesday that he still supported the controversial ban.
The news sparked intense blowback from members of his party, including fellow presidential hopefuls, who criticized Biden for reaffirming his stance amid a spate of anti-abortion measures being passed in state legislatures.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/447392-biden-reverses-stance-on-hyde-amendment-after-blowback
OK... 1 week ago Joe Biden Suggested he might change his stance from OPPOSING the Hyde Amendment to supporting it.
Yesterday, Joe Biden said that was not true, he misheard the question and that he still SUPPORTED the Hyde Amendment.
Today, Joe Biden say's things have changed and he NOW OPPOSES the Hyde Amendment.
Seriously?
How are we supposed to put faith in the promises Joe Biden is making when he does this sort of thing?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Again, it's fine that Joe walked back his recent affirmation of the Hyde Amendment... indeed, it was a smart move, as he had no other choice.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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(13,466 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)or positions.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)She learned 1st hand the carnage of war working in a field medical unit, wars of regime change that's why she is against war. Biden got 2 deferment's during Nam. Did you hear Joe agree with Trump about regime change in Venezuela? Maybe he will walk it back.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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lapucelle
(18,258 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,258 posts)The Hawaii Democrat announced Friday that she will seek the Democratic party nomination for president in 2020. She has already received criticism for her past anti-gay activism.
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https://www.rollcall.com/news/campaigns/tulsi-gabbard-apologizes-for-past-anti-gay-activism-as-she-prepares-for-2020-race
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,190 posts)You called this
Those that were defending his support of that garbage Amendment, I think are eating some crow
Oh well, its going to be a long primary
Thanks
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)of sticking to honest policy differences, now they'll just laud him for being "flexible" in admitting when he's wrong. Either way, it's all good!!
I commend Joe simply for making a smart political decision, and glad to finally have him "on board" with most Democrats... though I'd rather go with candidates who were right all along and weren't faced with having to make a political calculation.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)I guess his conviction is not as strong as a few people thought.
But this is typical of his generation of politicians, they reverse course as the tide pushes them in a different direction. Someone wrote on that opinion that there many great candidates who are progressive and who represent the now and the future, while Biden represents the past, a good past, but nonetheless the past.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Alhena
(3,030 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)He looks like a waffler now. I read a national news feed that said he disagreed with other democratic candidates in the issue. He was wrong and is now running for cover.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)There are things that democrats, even religious democrats, don't fool around with. One of those cornerstone benchmarks is that EVERY woman, even poor women should have full access to abortion services if they choose that path.
I personally don't care for abortions, but I would never in a billion years attempt to stop a woman from accessing abortion services or vote for a politician that would prevent her from accessing such services - the exception on the vote position is if it is democrat versus republican, I will vote for the democrat, even if that democrat is anti-choice, because anyone who still calls himself or herself a democrat share 85% of what I believe and value, and an abortion stance is just one issue in that values galaxy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,240 posts)I sent a tweet out to Cedric Richmond this morning..
And, here's Biden's statement..
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Yesterday: He must walk this back.
Today(after he walks it back): How can we ever trust him!11!1
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highmindedhavi
(355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Now we can get back to really divisive stuff like putting resources into Texas
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Cha
(297,240 posts)This spinning suppose to make me drop Biden?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)But yeah it is. The goalpost moving in the OP shows it was never really about the issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,240 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,240 posts)I sent a tweet out to Cedric Richmond this morning..
And, here's Biden's statement..
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Where he stands on this SHOULD be a major topic in the first debate and he should have answers that people can believe and TRUST.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BluesRunTheGame
(1,615 posts)...on his, ahem, cough, cough.....decision making process.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)Hilarious!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,240 posts)you than where Biden is.
I'm damn glad he's reversing on Hyde amendment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)Still not good enough! So predictable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,240 posts)I tweeted Cedric Richmond this morning with this message..'
I'm for Biden now.. but please tell him that he shouldn't be basing political decisions on "religion". Separation of Church and State. Thank you.
I know that's not what did it.. but it's part of the blowback.
As you said.. "..he did the right thing!" And, I'm so grateful!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)In one day? His detractors have a legitimate issue here. Where does he truly stand on the amendment?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,240 posts)I barely got in on the blowback.
I'm glad he listened.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,144 posts)Ole Joe with the ole finger in the wind.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,240 posts)as something worthwhile.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)when they are not happy to have him back on their side? It's like they don't want to take the "win." Sort of proves the issue never really mattered to them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I still like Biden a lot, but I am shocked as hell about how tone deaf he was on this issue and that he has continued to be that way for years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)With so many candidates not one of them is a perfect one nor will there ever be a perfect candidate.
For me the bigger picture is removing the entire trump people out of Washington.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)I was disappointed when I read that Biden had reversed his opinion on the Hyde amendment. Not because of any strong feelings for or against the Hyde amendment, more because it makes him look like any other politician who will change their views based on polling. I'm really tired of that (one reason I admire Bernie, he seems to stick with his convictions regardless of how it may poll).
The Hyde amendment isn't going away, at least not in the near future. This was not an issue to stake a candidacy on.
All of that being said, I'm not into purity tests. No candidate is going to be perfect and all are going to stumble. So, though disappointed, it won't stop me from voting for Biden if he is the candidate. I'm still leaning towards Buttigieg though I'm really liking Warren and Kamala Harris too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)It is the only thing that matters. Period.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Democrats can do much better. I just don't trust his judgement at this point, at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)Low Blow.
Personally, I'm glad he walked the position back though I'd not heard him defend the issue in the first place. For those who weren't going to go with Joe Biden, it's another talking point. For me? It means he's willing to listen and has a politician's savvy to choose his battles wisely. Keep Democrats together. Keep our eyes on the prize.
A GO4JOE 2020
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,240 posts)And, here's Biden's statement..
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)Good response from Biden, too!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Politicub
(12,165 posts)His turn around on the Hyde amendment put a check in the plus column for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,611 posts)This was a non issue for me. I didn't hold his stance on the Hyde Amendment against him and thought this issue was blown completely out of proportion. People really had the knives out for Joe and it was disappointing to see.
What's also disappointing are the cheap shots against Beto in this thread. I honestly don't get the scorn directed at him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,240 posts)Here's Biden's statement..
Link to tweet
P.S. I haven't read all the thread yet so haven't seen the "cheap shots" at Beto but will do so now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,611 posts)It's references his live streaming and the apologies he made towards the beginning of his campaign rollout.
Thanks for the link Cha.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,240 posts)to know nobody is perfect.. and if they're really trying and aren't divisive @ the Democratic Party.. I fully support what they're doing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)We need s united front on abortion now more than ever before.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)He is doing the right thing now and you still are not happy. Did you ever really care about the issue then ?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)It is like democrats have not long said that Anendment hurts poor women.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)It was just tone deaf.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)What is the point then? You'd rather lose than admit that anyone changed their minds to do the right thing?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But Biden has long supported the amendment and reaffirmed that support. Then a firestorm erupted and the next day he took a position that he has never before taken. So if push comes to shove and republicans are holding something important hostage to keep or expand the Hyde amendment, how much of a fight will President Biden put to to back them off?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)That amendment will only be repealed when dems have both houses. And that means 60 senators.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,345 posts)to work for the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,240 posts)he has to work for the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,345 posts)There's a whole string of thoughts that goes in the middle of the sentence, but it's irrelevant now. Sorry for the confusion.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,240 posts)sense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)a sign of growth and progression and a thoughtful process. This is coming from a thoughtful, solidly Democratic intelligent man, not a compassionless, megalomaniac control freak Republican misogynist.
Biden is not our enemy or combatant.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(13,991 posts)Donald Trump is the enemy. Lets all try and remember that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)And a smart political move on his part.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Its possible he was against it all along, but didnt come out against it for political reasons. Remember how Obama (and others) was against gay marriage even though it was obvious he was was making a political decision.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)And the more someone tries to prevent and alleviate suffering and injustice, the better friend they are.
Trump is obviously the worst, but there are lots of enemies and a whole range of better and worse friends.
We should strive for the best we can get.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Politicub
(12,165 posts)and important reproductive health organizations.
To answer your question, OP: I put more faith in someone who can be convinced to do the right thing and not stick to a bad decision because of stubbornness.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,190 posts)President someone who is so stubborn, that they won't change a position no matter how misguided it is.
From my perspective, this reflects very well on him.
Joe admitted he was wrong, and did the right thing
The irony is that everyone of the Democratic candidates now supports the repeal of the Hyde Amendment, and that is a good thing, but the reality is unless we have a majority in Congress, its repeal is going to be very hard to achieve.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)abso fing lutely!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,240 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,190 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LuvLoogie
(7,003 posts)or Barack again. Or maybe Jimmy Carter's second term. Or Jerry Brown's first.
I don't mind when positions change for the better. As long as they're Democrats, like--all the time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)He's flexible, a great quality
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(90,686 posts)...his avatar on your posts.
Why the obsession with running down Biden? Why aren't we seeing a dozen positive posts a day about Booker?
Just curious.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden