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Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:47 AM

 

1972 ARTICLE SURFACES SHOWING BERNIE SANDERS BACKED ABORTION RIGHTS YEAR BEFORE ROE V WADE

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-hyde-amendment-abortion-rights-1442412

Vermont Independent Senator Bernie Sanders backed abortion rights and ridiculed male-dominated legislatures governing women's bodies in a 1972 article surfaced Wednesday. The commentary reveals another stark, decades-long contrast between he and former Vice President Joe Biden's progressive stances.

Sanders told Vermont's Bennington Banner newspaper in September 1972 -- months before the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling on Roe v. Wade -- that abortion procedures should only be a concern between a woman and her physician. The article sits aside several letters the then-Liberty Union candidate for governor wrote to local newspapers calling for the abolition of "all laws dealing with abortion, drugs, sexual behavior."

The Bennington Banner confirmed to Newsweek Wednesday that Sanders was interviewed for the published 1972 article in which he feared women "will be forced to go to those states where abortions are legal."
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Reply 1972 ARTICLE SURFACES SHOWING BERNIE SANDERS BACKED ABORTION RIGHTS YEAR BEFORE ROE V WADE (Original post)
aidbo Jun 2019 OP
Agschmid Jun 2019 #1
George II Jun 2019 #16
Uncle Joe Jun 2019 #2
aidbo Jun 2019 #3
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #4
LibFarmer Jun 2019 #5
uawchild Jun 2019 #6
George II Jun 2019 #9
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #10
George II Jun 2019 #11
LibFarmer Jun 2019 #13
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #15
thesquanderer Jun 2019 #32
George II Jun 2019 #17
MineralMan Jun 2019 #7
George II Jun 2019 #8
lapucelle Jun 2019 #12
George II Jun 2019 #19
lapucelle Jun 2019 #24
George II Jun 2019 #27
ehrnst Jun 2019 #30
LibFarmer Jun 2019 #14
George II Jun 2019 #21
mopinko Jun 2019 #18
aidbo Jun 2019 #22
comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #20
obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #23
LibFarmer Jun 2019 #25
ehrnst Jun 2019 #31
SidDithers Jun 2019 #26
George II Jun 2019 #28
ehrnst Jun 2019 #29

Response to aidbo (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:53 AM

1. Good, I would argue that most if not all our candidates support the choice to have an abortion.

 

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:25 PM

16. I would say all of them, although I know little about Williamson or Gabbard.

 

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Response to aidbo (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:58 AM

2. Kicked and recommended.

 

Thanks for the thread aidbo.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:00 AM

3. Just wanted to highlight the differences. Thx Joe

 

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Response to aidbo (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:01 AM

4. Nice goin... thanks!!

 


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Response to aidbo (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:01 AM

5. Many of the candidates supported abortion rights

 

in the 50's and 60's

Some were not even old enough to vote in 1972
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:07 AM

6. Biden voted against exceptions for RAPE and INCEST in the Hyde Amendment

 

Twice.

"He’s always been a staunch supporter of the Hyde Amendment. “As a U.S. senator from Delaware, Biden voted against a 1977 compromise that allowed Medicaid to fund abortions that included exceptions for victims of rape and incest in addition to concerns for the life of the mother,” reports NBC News. “While the rape and incest exceptions passed in that case, Biden voted in 1981 to again remove them, in what was the most far-reaching ban on federal funds ever enacted by Congress.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/6/1863085/-Joe-Biden-joins-Republicans-in-still-supporting-Hyde-Amendment-Luckily-we-have-alternatives

So in 1977 Biden voted AGAINST including RAPE and INCEST exceptions in the Hyde Amendment. He lost that vote.

Then in 1981 Joe Biden voted to REMOVE those RAPE and INCEST exceptions that were already in the law!

Sorry, but even back in 1981 THAT was an extreme position to take against women's rights.
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Response to uawchild (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:11 AM

9. How did he vote since 1981 on those positions?

 

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Response to uawchild (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:17 AM

10. That must have been some trick to move the goalposts back to the 70s.

 



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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:29 AM

11. At one time years ago the NFL goal posts were ON the goal line, now they're 10 yards back.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:56 AM

13. That is another grave problem that Biden has

 

He had a full head of hair in 1970 ... now he is nearly completely bald.

(waiting for an OP on this)

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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:59 AM

15. I can see the OPs now

 

Fan of someone else: “Biden must get hair plugs! We can’t have a bald presidential nominee!1!1”

Biden gets hair plugs.

Fan of someone else: “Why is Biden so vain!1!1”
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Response to uawchild (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 09:13 PM

32. I'm pro-choice, but rape and incest "exemptions" don't make sense to me.

 

If you legitimately believe that what's in the womb is a protectable human life, what difference does rape or incest make? I mean, nobody says it's okay to kill a born child if it was the product of rape or incest, everyone agrees that that is a protectable human life. What's the rationale for the distinction pre-birth?
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:26 PM

17. Buttigieg was born in 1982.

 

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Response to aidbo (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:08 AM

7. So did I. So did many of us.

 

Good for Bernie!
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Response to aidbo (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:10 AM

8. "...calling for the abolition of "all laws dealing with abortion, drugs, sexual behavior." " ??

 

So, apparently he was in favor of the abolition of laws against heroine, cocaine, meth, LSD, etc. use? And he was also in favor of the abolition of laws dealing with (unspecified) sexual behavior? That can include all sorts of behavior that I won't even get into here.

Has he evolved on these issues since 1972?
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Response to George II (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:52 AM

12. Are political positions from the 1970's and 1980's really going to be fair game?

 

In the 1970s, Sanders became involved with the Liberty Union, an anti-war political party in Vermont. In 1971, Sanders’ platform involved the legalization of all drugs, while in the following year he wrote in an op-ed that Congress should “institute public ownership, with worker control, of the major means of production.” Several years later, in 1976, Sanders told the Bennington Banner that a “sane society” required that “capital has to be controlled by the people.”

Sanders ran twice for governor and twice for Senate under the party's banner before ultimately leaving the party.

Still, Sanders was involved enough that he served as the chairperson of the party for several years in the 1970s. In 1972, Sanders backed Benjamin Spock as a presidential candidate over the Democratic candidate, George McGovern.

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Sanders also served as a presidential elector for the Socialist Workers’ Party in 1980, something that he acknowledged in a 1988 television appearance. The group at the time was a Trotskyist party that pressed for the abolition of capitalism and the peaceful establishment of socialism.


“I was asked to put my name on the ballot and I did, that’s true,” Sanders said, in the 1988 appearance. But he insisted he was never a member of the Trotskyist party."

Sanders ran and won a narrow race for mayor of Burlington, Vermont in 1981. Though he ran as an independent, he identified himself as a socialist mayor. He continued to be an independent until he put himself on the ballot as a Democrat in the current presidential race.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernies-past-with-the-far-far-far-left
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:28 PM

19. So he was a Presidential Elector for the Socialist Workers' Party, but he was never a "member"?

 

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Response to George II (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 01:47 PM

24. And there's the $11,000+ he took from the gun lobbies.

 

Gun-rights groups donated nearly all their money in 2016 to candidates running for president, leaders in Congress and candidates in key Senate races. More than 98% of the contributions went to Republicans.

Also read: Trump Today: President mum on bill to make gun silencers legal

Other top recipients in 2016 included House Speaker Paul Ryan and swing-state senators such as Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania. Both senators won closely fought election battles last november to help Republicans retain control of the Senate.

The only non-Republican in the top 25: Bernie Sanders, a Senate independent whose state, Vermont, has a strong hunting tradition. He accepted $11,129 in cash.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lawmakers-who-take-the-most-money-from-the-gun-rights-lobby-2017-10-03
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 02:40 PM

27. Wow! That's only $970 less than Texas' Henry Cuellar, whom Sanders' offshoot organization....

 

....Justice Democrats, is targeting for a primary next year.

Awkward!
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:36 PM

30. Yes, I think that if people are going to go back that far to find praiseworthy items

 

the not so praiseworthy items are going to show up as well.
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Response to George II (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:57 AM

14. That would be congruent

 

with the contemporaneous essays.
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:29 PM

21. If we're discussing articles from 1972, I can think of some others from 1972 also.

 

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Response to aidbo (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:27 PM

18. you dont need to scream.

 

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Response to mopinko (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 01:40 PM

22. Copied from the article! Sorry it hurt your ears!

 

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Response to aidbo (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:28 PM

20. If I were a Sanders supporter I'd think twice

 

before bringing up his very peculiar writings from the 70's.
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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 01:44 PM

23. +1

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 02:15 PM

25. IKR? nt

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:36 PM

31. Indeed. (nt)

 

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Response to aidbo (Original post)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 02:38 PM

26. What else did Bernie write in 1972?...nt

 

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 03:52 PM

28. Could be anything. After all, back then he was a Vermont Free Man.

 

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:30 PM

29. Oh... right. (nt)

 

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