Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders turns the tables on Trump over 'democratic socialism'
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"Here, in the United States, we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country," Trump said at his State of the Union address in February. "America was founded on liberty and independence not government coercion, domination, and control. We are born free, and we will stay free. Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country."
Sanders will also call on voters to reject Trump's attacks on his ideology, claiming that the president and his "fellow oligarchs" don't "really oppose all forms of socialism."
"They may hate democratic socialism because it benefits working people, but they absolutely love corporate socialism that enriches Trump and other billionaires," Sanders will say, citing the Great Recession bailouts from the federal government that he said made Wall Street "big government socialists."
Sanders' campaign said that the speech will also call on the American people to reject Trump's "xenophobic and authoritarian policies" and "instead complete the unfinished business of Franklin Delano Roosevelts New Deal."
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-turns-tables-trump-over-democratic-socialism-n1016611
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lucky Luciano
(11,264 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)It is always socialism for the rich.
And austerity for the workers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
I am so glad that sanders will not be the nominee
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)I doubt that this speech will accomplish anything https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/06/bernie-sanders-socialism-trump/591493/
Candidates during campaigns have to introduce their philosophies and what they believe to voters every time they run, and its important for Bernie Sanders to run an issue-based campaign on what hes believed for a very long time, Ari Rabin-Havt, Sanderss campaign chief of staff, told me yesterday morning. The way to win is to make our case directly to voters, and to lay this out directly to voters.
His opponents critiques line up: Sanders is promising pipe dreams that most people dont even really want, and certainly wont get, and along the way hes playing right into Trumps Democrats are socialists scare tactics, in addition to his subtler attack on Democratsthat they always promise big but rarely deliver.
What people want is health care, Bennet told me. What people want is a job that will actually pay them enough so they can buy housing, health care, higher education, and early-childhood education. What people actually want is to know that weve got a durable solution on climate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)This polling would make it very difficult to win with a socialist candidate on the ballot https://news.gallup.com/poll/254120/less-half-vote-socialist-president.aspx
In spite of the expanded tolerance for diversity, candidates labeling themselves as socialists may struggle to gain traction in a presidential race, as Americans have not become more open to such a candidate. Even as political figures advocating socialist ideas have gained popularity in Democratic circles in recent years, less than half of Americans remain willing to give an avowed socialist candidate their vote. This creates a challenge for the Democratic Party, as it seeks to avoid alienating the Democratic socialists within its rank and file, while still aiming to win a national election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pat_k
(9,313 posts)I like the intent, but I wish we could come up with a better "catch phrase" that would embody the republican hatred of social safety nets for vulnerable citizens and love of "safety nets" that ensure the most powerful keep, and gain, ever more power.
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)but ... any sharply tuned criticism of Trump that invokes the New Deal is welcome. I will be interested to read the entire speech.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)I do not think that the Democratic Party can win with a socialist on the ticket
Link to tweet
Lets start with the whole country. Less than half of Americans say theyd vote for a socialist for president. More say theyd vote for an atheist or Muslim, according to a Gallup survey in May. Thats the same as 2015 when Sanders first launched his presidency, despite his efforts during that campaign to warm Americans up to socialism. A Monmouth University survey in April finds 57 percent of Americans think socialism is not compatible with American values.....
If were not careful, were going to end up reelecting the worst president in American history, said former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper. (He got booed by a gathering of Democrats in San Francisco for saying that.) Its also notable that the most vocal proponents of dropping socialism from the campaign trail are at the bottom of the polls right now....
Republicans are downright giddy about all this. Whats a scarier term to the American public than socialist? And with one of the leaders in the Democratic Party embracing it, their pitch to voters that Democrats want to radically change the country to something unrecognizable just got a lot easier.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden