I think these attacks on Biden will backfire...

[Drunken Irishman]

They seem downright petty. Attacks on policy, and maybe comments that were legit bigoted, would definitely be valid criticisms...but attacking Biden for wanting a less divisive congress? Yeah, sorry, I'm not seeing that as a winning strategy. I guess we'll see, tho.

[Turin_C3PO]

1. I feel like some posters here are doing the GOP's work for them.

I’m not accusing anyone of being a troll but come on. Legit disagreement is fine, but we can’t afford to have a badly damaged nominee going into the general election!

[LibFarmer]

7. and Putin's nt

[cwydro]

12. This happens in the primaries on this forum.

I actually had to stay away during the Bernie/Hillary wars.

None of those battles helped us in the least. However, I really don’t think what anyone says on DU is going to have an impact on the primaries or the general.

So there’s that.

[Turin_C3PO]

15. The 2016 primary was just awful.

It was brutal around here. You’re right, of course, that DU has little influence on the outside political world.

[cwydro]

16. I know, it really was.

I had talked a friend into joining lol.

I think she lasted a week, then ran for the hills.

We’ll get through it; all I care about is what we all care about. Removing the orange stain.

[Turin_C3PO]

18. Yes, removing him is paramount.

I don’t know if Democracy in the USA will survive, in any recognizable form, if he gets re-elected. And I’m not usually one for hyperbole or conspiracy thinking/theories but Trump has me seriously worried.

[DownriverDem]

62. DU leans more left

I don't have a problem with that, but the country leans moderate. The attacks on Biden seem out of line. All that matters is beating trump. I would love to see a Biden/Harris ticket.

[cwydro]

113. Totally agree.

We have to get him out. Biden and Warren are tied in my book, but I want a woman so that’s why she’s my choice here. Buttigieg number 3 for me, and then the others.

Bernie is not on my list. At all.

[Thekaspervote]

23. +1000

[shanny]

27. oh puhleese

we haven't even had a debate yet, let alone a primary...and we are close to a year away from having a nominee

[Turin_C3PO]

52. I'm not saying we shouldn't have vigorous debates

and conversations on who the best nominee is. I’m all for that and I’ve even criticized Biden for some of his stances. But some of the rhetoric I’ve seen the last few days crosses the line into mean spiritedness and character attacks.

[emulatorloo]

107. There's a difference between debate and scorched-earth negative campaigning/character assasination

Biden and Warren are good people. Let’s debate policy, not twitterverse smears.

[DownriverDem]

50. Yep

Their arguments sound like they are coming from repubs. If Biden wasn't my first choice, I'd work to get my choice as VP. Beating trump is all that matters. trump does not want to run against Biden. There's a lot of comments here I just don't get.

[marylandblue]

65. We know what the repubs will say, so we say it first, as a test.

Don't believe the BS about Trump being afraid of Biden.
Nothing leaked from the Trump camp is what it seems. If your candidate handle the practice run, how is he going to compete in the Olympics?

[Butterflylady]

58. Exactly

Said before and will say again, they are giving the other side ammunition to use if Biden gets the nod. That goes for everyone. I would bet the other side is monitoring everything that's said here.

[marylandblue]

66. I doubt they are monitoring this site at all.

We've been here for years. Can you think of a single case where a candidate said something could only be found on DU?

[woodsprite]

103. Apparently DU was an important enough site

For them to attack and take down on Election Day. Just saying....

[Quackers]

77. It's called vetting

If a candidate can’t survive being vetted, they sure in the hell wouldn’t last in the general.

[emulatorloo]

111. Lying about Biden and Warren isn't "vetting"

Biden’s not a ‘racist’ and Warren is not a ‘moderate puppet of the establishment.’

[Quackers]

115. Then debate that fact with those who say otherwise.

Apparently, Biden said things that people have taken issue with. Discuss it, work our way through it, or it’ll come back later from the other side. That is the definition of vetting.

[treestar]

100. Haven't learn from the Hillary experience have they?

[Skittles]

120. hilarious

happens every time - if someone isn't for YOUR candidate, we're all GOPers.....NONSENSE

[marylandblue]

2. He's mostly being attacked for being politically tone deaf.

And that scares the crap out of me because IMO it makes him unelectable.

[Demsrule86]

29. Seriously?

[marylandblue]

30. It's okay, it doesn't matter what he says or does, he can win and

nobody else can. So it's all good. I've already bought my celebration six-pack.

[Demsrule86]

73. Good...keep it cold.

Winning is the only thing that matters...and I like Biden...these bullshit attacks have no affect on me.

[progressoid]

89. Yeah, Hillary wrote a book about it.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/12/politics/hillary-clinton-what-happened-mistakes/index.html

etc

[techne7319]

31. This exactly...

Biden is the front runner and was even before he officially announced his candidacy. He is the most recognizable candidate in that he was vp and has a demonstrable history in Washington. However, he has twice run for the democrat presidential nomination and lost. Why? He lost because other candidates campaigned with more charisma, other candidates were more media savvy, and other candidates out performed him in the debates. How are things different now? What makes him any more electable this time around?
His “political tone deafness” is a genuine concern. Here on DU, a number of Biden supporters seem to defend him “as the only candidate. They speak as if he’s already won the nomination and “untouchable.” They claim blasphemy as soon as any of Biden’s history, character, or words are questioned or criticized. They see no other way to victory except through Biden and dismiss the possibility that another candidate may emerge as the nomination process continues. The man stepped into this political ring. He’s seasoned enough to know what that entails in terms of debates, defending his positions on the issues, and handling criticism. He’s will have to defend himself time and time again. He will have to choose words carefully so as to not be misunderstood. He will have to show some charisma, tap into the heart and soul of voters, get people fired up, get tough. Will he? Probably not.

[zonkers]

44. This.

[emulatorloo]

112. I was at a Biden rally. Everyone was on their feet, eager to get our country back on track,

All our candidates will make mistakes and gaffes. There is another candidate that is much more of a gaffe machine than Biden imho. It doesn’t matter. All of our candidates would make a great president.

Our voters don’t care about gaffes and gotcha moments. They want a Democrat in the White House who will do right by the 99% and undo the damage Trump as done.

[Mme. Defarge]

38. On the other hand,

he’s authentic. People feel that and respond positively to it, as opposed to someone who is calculated.

[marylandblue]

48. Yes, he's authentic. Sometimes. He should just admit he stuck his foot in his mouth as usual

then tell everyone to fuck off so he can explain how he's going to run the country. That would feel authentic and put an end to it. Everything else he is doing is just dragging it out.

[treestar]

98. True, look at the Orange Toxin

And why are people being negative in this campaign? It only helps the Orange Disaster. People need to stop putting others down and tell us why their candidate can win. They are Hillarying Biden so that people will have to hold their nose and vote, won't be enthusiastic, will stay home. Can't believe they learned nothing from the Dotard's win.

[wyldwolf]

54. he's obviously tone deaf to the tender feelings of some 'progressives'

but maybe not. We see faux outrage a lot, especially if people think they'll score points from it.

[NYMinute]

55. David Sirota has an outrage generator in his laptop

He ships tons of outrage to communes all over the country just after their prayers when the outrage is easily digestible.

[marylandblue]

60. Yes, we do see that, it's all part of the political game.

He can complain about it or he can deal with it. To win, he has to deal with it somehow.

I wasn't personally offended by his remarks. But I knew right away it was a gaffe and he needed to do damage control. What's hurting him is not that a few people are offended, but that it undercuts his narrative as a seasoned politician. Top politicians rarely make these mistakes and when they do, they quickly stop the bleeding and move on.

[DownriverDem]

61. Really?

Compared to trump? I don't think so. The country is more moderate than many here at DU. To them, Biden is electable. Our candidate has to be able to win the Electoral College. It's a numbers game. Beating trump is all that matters. Remember sometimes you don't get what you want, but you get what you need. We need to beat trump and Biden can do it.

[marylandblue]

63. Yeah really, because Trump is going to beat the crap out of him.

If beating Trump is all that matters, you can't be a gaffe machine. If you are, the entire GE will be about what a loser Biden is. Trump gets away with stuff because he has a well-honed media strategy to control the narrative. Biden let this one get away from him, and it's not the first time.

I'm putting this in terms you'll understand. Electability. Being electable means you can control your media image as a down-to-earth, smart, experienced statesman. But Trump will play his tricks and turn Biden into a hapless, angry old fool. Is Biden prepared for this? Are you?

[BannonsLiver]

80. Your frustration amuses me.

[marylandblue]

81. Your condescension makes me think much less of you and your opinions.

[treestar]

99. The media will help the Dotard

We need to help our candidate rather than LET the media create their much needed horse race.

[marylandblue]

105. Who is the " we" that has the power to affect the media?

[disndat]

106. i Agree 100%

I think almost any of the top candidates can beat Trump. Don't forget, Obama care is the Democrats'
strongest suit. But Biden also has the 2nd strongest suit, the Black vote which seems to be pretty
solid at this time, and maybe he was looking to persuade some of the Rust Belt that he is not toxic
for all the support he is getting from the blacks.

[treestar]

97. How can one be politically tone deaf

with that number of years of experience?

[marylandblue]

110. He spent most of his career in a small blue state where he brought home the bacon.

He was an effective Senator for his state and good at wheeling-dealing so he did have his hand in a lot of legislation both good and bad.

He's good at building personal relationships and this has helped his career right up to being Obama's VP.

But running for President requires a much higher level of skill of political sensitivity that he doesn't have. Which is probably why he failed twice in spite of his other talents.

[emmaverybo]

117. Insensitivity did not cause him to fail during the period his son had died.

[marylandblue]

118. I guess are you referring to 2016, and I never said he was insensitive

He ran in 1988 and 2008 and went nowhere both times.

He doesn't seem insensitive at all, in fact he seems quite the opposite.

I think of tone deafness as not knowing how you sound to others, so sometimes saying things you don't intend without realizing what is wrong, that is, gaffing and following up with poor damage control.

On edit: I see you responding to "political insensitivity" a poor choice of words on my part. I don't mean emotional insensitivity but I meant the opposite of political tone-deafness, whatever that might be.

[emmaverybo]

119. I stand corrected. NT

[walkingman]

3. I like Biden but he is not doing himself a favor by making his recent statements about race. Words

matter to Democrats even if it doesn't for Rethugs.

[Drunken Irishman]

32. He hasn't made any bad statements on race.

[BootinUp]

35. 100% again

you're on a roll, lol.

[BootinUp]

4. 100% correct. It's not a winning strategy.

And if forced to Biden will prevail on the point he was making. The younger candidates could learn a few things from Joe and they will.

[SouthernProgressive]

5. He is getting a lot of exposure...

And the people on the receiving end don’t like seeing a good person attacked like this. I’d damn near say Biden is playing some of this out. He and his team saw something with the charges of patriarchal tendencies against him. I think they liked what they saw. It’s going to be difficult to pull off these weak attacks considering how well he is known and liked.

[shanny]

28. well known and liked

and yet 65-ish% of Democrats want Somebody Else.

Including you and me.

[underpants]

6. You have a field of 20+ all needing to get their name out

and since he's the front runner they have to go after him.

[riverine]

8. Reminds me of

In United States politics, a Sister Souljah moment is a politician's public repudiation of an extremist person or group, statement, or position perceived to have some association with the politician or the politician's party.[1]

It has been described as "a key moment when the candidate takes what at least appears to be a bold stand against certain extremes in their party"[2] and as "a calculated denunciation of an extremist position or special interest group."[3] Such an act of repudiation is designed to signal to centrist voters that the politician is not beholden to traditional, and sometimes unpopular, interest groups associated with the party,[citation needed] although such a repudiation runs the risk of alienating some of the politician's allies and the party's base voters. The term is named after the hip hop artist Sister Souljah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_Souljah_moment

[True Blue American]

104. :)

[LibFarmer]

9. What the detractors don't realize

is that bringing this stuff up sucks up all the news coverage and the oxygen from other candidates' messaging. Biden gets all the exposure and those supporting or leaning towards Biden are not going to be swayed.

[emmaverybo]

19. Honestly, I never thought of that. Well, Booker got his moment.

[Skittles]

121. if they cannot be swayed

why are they constantly whining about it?

[LibFarmer]

122. To expose the detractors and dirty-tricksters nt

[R B Garr]

10. They already backfired on Sanders. MSNBC's Velshi and Ruhle

corrected his misinformation about Biden and he got really testy.

Booker blamed Biden for answering a question a reporter asked Biden. It wasn’t Biden who said that Booker was saying he was racist. Booker went off with misinformation.

Harris made comments about calling out racism, but Biden’s comments were doing just that. Mostly his contrast was that Trump is not civil. I like her, but I don’t like to hear a perpetuation of misinformation. We’ve had enough of that.

[Bhkylib]

11. Biden may go up in the polls

Everytime time he gets attacked, he goes up in the polls. I remember when Lucy Flores was supposed to be the death knell to his campaign. I recall many posters saying he would need to drop out. Biden will be fine.

Biden is authentic. Take it or leave it. He is old school and a throwback Democrat. If you don't like it, there's 20 other people you can vote for. People love authenticity and even if Biden makes a gaffe, people love his authenticity. That's why he's not apologizing. He's gonna keep true to himself. I think the American public is over politicians running for office that only spew out focus group rhetoric and you never know how they truly feel. No one hardly talks from their guts and heart anymore. Everything is so robotic and poll tested.

[cwydro]

13. Good post.

Welcome to DU.

[emmaverybo]

22. Nailed what his appeal is about.

[Ace Rothstein]

69. Biden has actually dropped about 10 points on the RCP average since he peaked in early May.

[Loki Liesmith]

102. Not really

Those numbers were never real. They were just an exposure bump.

[delisen]

14. Which Democrats are being divisive or refusing to work with Republicans?

Which Democrats who are running in the primary and serving in Congress now are refusing to work with Republicans on issues upon which they agree with Republicans?

[napi21]

21. I don't think the "able to work with the other side" comment was aimed at the Pubs who refuse

to work with any Dem. It's the Pubs who started the absolute division, and it's them who are perpetuating it. Honestly, I don't recall ANY Dem refusing to communicate with the Pubs.

[George II]

17. They already are. His detractors are being lambasted on CNN and MSNBC, even those...

...who claim his comment wasn't the smartest were sticking up for him.

[Demsrule86]

26. I saw that...said not getting traction on msnbc.

[Nuggets]

20. They already are.

And good. The attacks against both Biden and Pelosi have gotten old on top of silly.
Let them continue, it’s just helping people see through the use of circular, ad hominem, presentism “arguments” they have and they do indeed look petty as well as desperate.

[BluesRunTheGame]

24. Oh noes!

They’re attacking Biden!

[Demsrule86]

25. I do too.

[Dopers_Greed]

33. The attacks on Clinton worked in 2016

Can't believe this board is aiding and abetting the RW again

smdh

[Drunken Irishman]

36. Those attacks had substance in the sense of the FBI investigation...

Attacking Biden for making questionable comments isn't going to sink him. No more than it sank Bush or Trump or Reagan.

Clinton's attacks were so effective because it conflated two issues that were wholly independent of each other:

1) The e-mail server that absolutely damaged her campaign, led to hearings, and an investigation

&

2) The hacked DNC e-mails which again brought attention, in a round about way, and for something entirely separate, to e-mails and A LOT of Americans never bothered to distinguish between the two stories. I met people who actually believed the hacked e-mails were the e-mails from the investigation.

Biden ain't going to be investigated for his mouth.

[customerserviceguy]

34. His support may be starting to be undermined

A strong debate performance would shore him back up. He has to do more than just tread water.

[techne7319]

37. Biden will backfire...

...on his own.

[customerserviceguy]

45. Maybe, maybe not

If he can give a vigorous debate performance, he can keep his position in the polls. If his performance is lackluster, or worse, he makes a gaffe, then yes, he will backfire.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

129. Joe's off to a rough start, but there's still time to fix the mistakes & get things back on track.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Susan Calvin]

39. I haven't read any replies, but I already know what I want to say.

That son/boy thing was so clueless it is ridiculous .

Of course he didn't call you boy, asshole .

You're white. Now do you get it?

And if this post gets me kicked off DU it is worth it. Worth it. Clueless.

[Cha]

88. Nah, all you have are throwing ugly insults at Joe Biden

[Susan Calvin]

91. He was ugly. Almost certainly not on purpose.

Yeah he didn't call you boy. That's because you're white. He may not have meant it that way but that sure how it came off.

He probably did not mean it that way. But it was clueless .

In my opinion there's a lot more cluelessness waiting in the wings.

Needless I hope to say I will take him over any Republican.

[Cha]

92. All you have are insults.

[Susan Calvin]

94. Well, I remember you .

From previous campaigns. So there it is.

[Cha]

130. Haha.. that's right.. use me as an excuse.

[Boomer]

114. Yes, clueless

I have to wonder how someone with so much experience as Biden -- not to mention working closely with one of the most prominent black men in American history -- is so clumsy and clueless about racially-laden subjects. Furthermore, he's apparently used those lines before and been warned to lay off of them. And in a final irony, they aren't even a true example of "working across the aisle" because he was talking about raging racist bigots within the Democratic party, not the GOP.

There is valid criticism to be made about his being tone-deaf. If he can't navigate simple talking points within his own party, how is he going to handle larger discussions on the national stage?

It's not an "attack" to say that Joe Biden is prone to making gaffes and he doesn't seem to learn from his experiences. That's a description of his political campaign history and that should be of concern to all Democrats, including those who want him to be the presidential nominee.

[treestar]

123. careful, it is clumsy on racially laden subjects

to call yourself a Native American without a significant amount of that heritage. See how that works?

Why can't you guy concentrate on telling us why Warren should be POTUS? None of the reasons Biden shouldn't be give us one iota of evidence that Warren should be.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

40. Have to remember...most people here want someone else

Many people do not buy into the idea of picking a person solely
for the fact that they can beat trump. Love him and believe in his policies, beside the point. Only half of Dems think that's the goal!!

[Indygram]

43. Plenty of people don't think Biden is the best choice to win.

I don't. But hey, what do I know...I'm just a moderate Independent in a red district of a battleground state. And here I thought I was the exact kind of voter Biden is supposed to appeal to. Well, he doesn't appeal to me for many reasons. Democrats' best shot at decimating Trump and knocking out a load of Republicans down ticket in the process is Beto O'Rourke.

[techne7319]

46. Similar sentiments...thank you

[Indygram]

49. You're welcome

[Indygram]

41. I am hoping that some Democrats will soon come to realize that the candidate Joe Biden is...

and the candidate they WANT him to be just are not one and the same. While there are around ten threads bickering back and forth over this latest gaffe by Biden, I posted a thread of a video with actual POLICY about enacting a new Voting Rights Act and it's all but ignored.

If Trump wins it's going to be because Democrats are too busy fighting over distractions over trying to put forth a "safe" candidate to actually notice the INCREDIBLE other options they have. If you want people to vote give them something to vote FOR and stop trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Biden is a gaffe factory. He always has been and always will be. That's not going to change. Democrats can either keep fighting and bickering over these rookie mistakes or they can keep an open mind that perhaps there is a better choice who is actually talking about things people care about. Just sayin'...

[techne7319]

47. Exactly

[floppyboo]

93. kick

[treestar]

101. That is the very essence of failing to have anything to vote FOR.

If you have to attack Biden to help your candidate, then what are they FOR? Is there no other case than "vote for my guy because Biden is a gaffe machine, etc." That is NOT something to vote FOR. It's only telling us what we should be AGAINST.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

128. I could put up with a few gaffes by Joe every now and then...perhaps it's just a case of the jitters

with the race only just getting started. Joe can clean a lot of this up in the upcoming debates... he usually does pretty well.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[DallasNE]

42. It Shows He Is Out Of Touch

And his choice of words show that he is gaffe prone.

Citizens United ended all hope of bipartisanship. Plus, how well did that work with ACA? Not a single Republican voted yes and Biden was working his magic.

Even when Clinton was President and Biden was a Senator his stimulus bill to pull us out of the Bush recession got zero Republicans followed by Gingrich shutting down the government.

Biden is just showing us that he is out of touch and looking backwards Why isn't he talking policy instead of sticking his foot in his mouth. Get on message.

[kcr]

51. I think it's a bad look for Biden and the people defending him.

[Demsrule86]

75. I think it is a bad look (seems desperate) for those Democratic candidates attacking Biden

and their supporters defending such attacks.

[kcr]

90. Each gaffe defense gets more and more desperate.

[Demsrule86]

131. It seems to me some candidates are desperate and their supporters.

[LongtimeAZDem]

53. I think they will work, and Trump will be reelected

[Honeycombe8]

56. Do YOU think it's realistic that we can "unify" with Devin Nunes and McConnell?

When "unify" means each meeting the other halfway?

I think "unify" to them means caving to their demands. I've never known McConnell to "meet halfway" the Democrats. Not the man whose first significant speech to Congress after Obama won in 2008 was to state that their main goal is and would be "to prevent the re-election of Obama."

You think that's a person a Democrat can become "unified" with?

[stonecutter357]

57. K&R

[KayF]

59. but are attacks on policy really valid?

the Hyde Amendment is policy, is it really valid to attack him on this?

the bankruptcy bill is policy, is it really valid to attack on this?

I'm just wondering if for example it comes down to Warren vs. Biden, will it really be valid for Warren to run against him?

[mtnsnake]

64. The only thing backfiring on Biden is Biden himself

Like the words that come out of his own mouth.

[BigOleDummy]

68. He IS

His own worst enemy without a doubt.

[BeyondGeography]

78. Really...his supporters should demand a better Biden

Guy comes sailing into the week without a problem in the world and comes out of it with half the party (including some of his staff) wondering why the hell he volunteered the corpse of James Eastland for campaign duty.

[Boomer]

116. The very definition of an unforced error

Biden needs to up his game if he plans to go on the national stage as the Democratic presidential nominee.

Dragging up references to viciously racist Democrats is bizarre in itself, when there was no need to go there, why? I get the feeling he's living in some time-warp rather than focusing on the present. That's not a good look for him.

[Drunken Irishman]

82. It's not really backfiring.

But I guess you can continue to hold out hope that his poll numbers will nosedive.

[BigOleDummy]

67. My take on

The "attacks" on Mr. Biden is that they are opinions and commentary. Some of Mr. Biden's supporters seem to take even the slightest criticism or questioning of him , his statements, or his policies are an "attack" on him or the Democratic party. Chill people , its called politics and yes its messy and hurtful to somes feeling at points but that has been how politics has been played since the dawn of time.

[Scurrilous]

70. K&R

[Miles Archer]

76. I've had to temporarily stop watching MSNBC.

It seems like every show is setting aside large portions of its time to discuss this in depth.

And no one is really adding anything to a conversation that started days ago. Yesterday, one of the guests appeared on two separate shows and basically repeated everything said on the first show.

I'm not trying to diminish the facts at the heart of the issue...I just wonder where all of this is going.

An apology from Biden?

Biden dropping out of the race?

All of this in a week in which Trump doubled down on the Central Park Five? Seriously?

[floppyboo]

95. and almost started WWIII

I also can't watch. Back to the shows on AJ - get some world perspective.

[Iliyah]

79. I see a repeat of 2016

Presidential election all over again.

Whomever the primary Democratic winner will be, the right and left will attack with the help of corporate media, hate radio and social media.

Right now, VP Biden is the frontrunner, second between Senators Warren and Sanders.

[marylandblue]

85. I see a repeat of 1976. Record number of candidates and the best known didn't win.

An unknown outsider candidate with the best strategy won.

[Gothmog]

83. According to Symone Sanders, Biden did not praise a segregationist

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[TheRealNorth]

84. What I want is a candidate that can rhetorically toe-to-toe with Trump

Attacking other Democratic candidates for piddly shit makes me less likely to vote for them in the Democratic primary.

Seriously, are we going to bitch about FDR and the New Deal because some of those things were accomplished by working with racist southern Democrats?

[joshcryer]

86. It's going to backfire so hard.

The irony is that the comments were likely seeded by Russian apologists in some form or another. I'm too exhausted to think about it.

[MineralMan]

87. Like this?

[treestar]

96. They are just proving their candidate can't win

because they need someone ahead of them removed, as their candidate has to have no competition in order to win. They are making the candidate they want look really weak. How can such a candidate beat the Dotard? They are recklessly forgetting that the Dotard can win.

[Perseus]

108. "but attacking Biden for wanting a less divisive congress?"

Everyone want a more united congress, a more united senate, but it is unrealistic, and Biden is using it as a campaign promise that he has to know he will not be able to fulfill, Obama was not able to do it and Biden was VP during the Obama Administration. Don't you want to know why Biden was not able to do it then? What do you think will allow him to do it now when republicans are twice more not willing to work with Democrats?

If Biden supporters want to believe his fantasy, then fine, but don't come out calling anyone who knows Biden is just using what he has to know is impossible (bring Republicans to the table), as trolls or Putin lovers, or any name.

By ignoring Biden's weaknesses, and there are many the republicans will bask on, we become like the republicans, fanatics, people who do not want to see the reality of the situation because it is more important to follow the leader we like.

Lets learn and work towards electing the best candidate, if that ends up being Biden, fine, but lets make sure we don't elect a person the republicans know well and will know how to attack, one who will stand and not allow republicans to make a game of their agendas and political history. If we want to defeat the republicans, get rid of the buffoon, McConnell, Barr, etc. then we must remove are preferences and study very well all candidates to elect the best.

[Tarheel_Dem]

109. Speaking as an African American, they already backfired AFAIC. My support is even stronger...

because I know exactly what's going on here, and I'm not the only one.

[CentralMass]

124. Joe Biden waxed nostalgic about working with segregationist senators, and candidates and others

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reacted to it.

[Drunken Irishman]

125. Yes. Because Bernie Sanders, a white man, who represents the whitest state in the country...

...has some skin in this debate.

I can at least understand Booker's POV. Bernie is jumping on this to save his failing campaign. Kind of sad.

[NanceGreggs]

126. "Waxing nostalgic"?

How utterly ridiculous – as ridiculous as the other terms being tossed around, like “praising them” or “extolling their virtues”.

What bullshit. He mentioned two people he was able to work with, civilly and productively, despite some very core differences.

That’s all. He didn’t praise them, extol them – and he certainly didn’t “wax nostalgic” over anything.

Jesus Hussein Christ. I’ve seen people try to make a mountain out of a molehill – but this whole non-story is like watching them try to make Everest out of a pimple on somebody’s backside.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

127. I agree... just like the attacks on Bernie, they'll backfire.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!