Mayor Pete may not be ready for prime time.

[brush]

Watching MSNBC and a commentator just related how the mayor handled a protestor poorly at a demonstration in South Bend on the killing of an AA male by a police officer who turned off his body camera, thus the incident was not recorded. I don't know if other cameras caught the incident.

Anyway, one AA woman was holding up a sign for the mayor to see that said "And you're running for president".

The mayor responded to her by saying: "I didn't ask for your vote."

Are you kidding me? This is how you handle a person from a critical demographic from which you have the least support? This won't play well once this starts circulating on social media in South Carolina where the Dem electorate is 65% African American. It won't play well anywhere else either.

[Kurt V.]

1. i don't know about that anecdote but he's a force in the future.

[marylandblue]

2. Yeah I'm starting to wonder about that myself.

I read some other negative stories about how he handled this incident, so I think AAs are not going to vote for him.

Too bad. I really like him.

[hlthe2b]

5. Probably exhausted and frustrated--not that that is an excuse. But even young guys experience this!

Not just older men and women candidates.

[Perseus]

61. Why doesn't the original poster produce the entire transcript?

What I read, this was a legitimate answer because of the situation.

[Merlot]

94. Exactly. She implied he was campaiging, he made it clear he wasn't.

His comment was spot on.

[trev]

63. I also really like Buttigieg.

I do. But I've recently decided that he's probably not the best candidate for us at this time. It's not that I disagree with him on his positions, it's just that I don't think he can win. And we need somebody who can win.

I would love to see him run for the Senate, though.

[Honeycombe8]

72. The head of the NAACP made a statement that said he handled things "phenomenally."

He doesn't have the AA vote, anyway. But he chose to handle the protesters personally, talk with them. They left satisfied with his assurances about certain things.

Sounds like he handled things really well.

I'd have to see the interaction the OP is about, to judge it. He didn't just say that out of the blue. I'd want to hear what she said, what he said, etc. If that's exactly what he said, in the first place.

Verify, verify.

[marylandblue]

85. Well I hope you are right.

I mostly look at optics these days. Few people bother to verify or check context, so it's all about it how it plays and how to spin it. I was hoping if he handled it well, he could pick up some AA support. But that doesn't seem meant to be and he can't win without them.

[trev]

90. IMO

all politics is about how it plays. I don't like this, but that seems to be the way it is.

I like Buttigieg. I really do. But I'd like to see him upgrade his responses a bit.

Of course, I think that of pretty much all the candidates.

[Honeycombe8]

93. I don't think the AA demographic is going to go for him, no matter what.

The AA community is more religious than some other Democratic groups. Religious people have more of an issue w/being gay than non-religious. Plus, they're likin' on Biden right now because of his association with Obama, and his history of standing up for civil rights and such.

Who else the majority would go for, if not Biden, I don't know.

[helpisontheway]

109. Exactly. Agree 100% nt

[helpisontheway]

107. Older AA were never going to vote for him because he is gay. Nt

[JI7]

3. he is too young anyways. he needs more experience

and something like a congressional seat could help.

it allows people to work with others across the country and you become more aware of things outside your area.

[trev]

95. I disagree with that opinion.

I want a younger candidate. I want the new generation to take up the banner of running the country.

However, although I have promoted him as my choice, after a lot of consideration, I have decided Buttigieg is not a viable candidate. I would like to see him run for Senate.

[JI7]

115. i think if he had been a member of congress or held some higher position it might be different

just because of the experience.

but when you are that young and mayor it's different. unless it was mayor of some large city which has more people than many states.

[trev]

118. I agree.

I'm moving my candidate choice reluctantly. I really like Buttigieg. But I just don't think he is electable.

I'm sorry to say this.

[Honeycombe8]

119. It may be a plus that he doesn't come from Congress.

Being in Congress is not "executive experience." And it gives the opposition a lot to attack, as we are seeing with Biden & Sanders.

That's why Governors are more often elected. It's rare that a Congress person is elected President. Biden would be elected because he was associated with Obama and was a VP. His congressional record is detriment, actually. But he can overcome that.

The exception to the Congress pattern is when the candidate is on the path to becoming President, and his Senatorial stint is short and for the purpose of getting national exposure...on what everyone knows is the path to the Presidency. JFK and Obama come to mind.

Buttigieg is the only one who comes even close to being a JFK or an Obama. But he's too young, and being a Mayor of a small city (compared to NY) isn't much of a claim to fame, except that it is executive experience. If Buttigieg came from a famous family with money, like the Kennedys, he'd have the big poll numbers by now. Or if he had been a keynote speaker at a Dem Convention or a nationally known figure in the Democratic Party, like Obama was, he'd be on his way. But he's just a guy...a brilliant guy with charisma and an exemplary background, with some executive experience. That's not enough. Maybe being a Senator for his state would help, like it helped Obama?

[melman]

4. video

Link to tweet

[pangaia]

26. For what it is worth, and having read more about the incident

somewhere else, it sounded to me like he said that because this was not a 'campaign event." Rather he was responding to the situation of the shooting. That was what he meant.

Nevertheless...

[BootinUp]

55. Yep.

[LuvNewcastle]

6. We don't know how long they interacted and what all was said.

We don't even know who the woman was.

[femmedem]

7. That is not quite what he said.

His exact words were, "I'm not asking for your vote."

In other words, he was saying that at that moment he was not campaigning. He was there as Mayor of South Bend, not as a presidential candidate. The woman was shifting the conversation to his presidential campaign and he was trying to talk to his community about community policies. It had nothing to do with whether he cares if he has African American support for his presidential campaign, and it was not a way of dismissing her concerns about the police shooting.

At least, that is my take on it.

[Celerity]

9. +1

[brush]

18. And that very subtle nuance is going to be understood once that video circulates?

It's a screw up that he's too young to know to stay away from. There's hardly any difference.

You just don't go there when you've already got the bungled police chief matter already on your record. Seems to me more seasoning and experience at handling sensitive matters is in order.

[True Dough]

24. Right. We've seen how the much older and more seasoned Joe Biden surely doesn't make any blunders?

Hmm???

[pangaia]

28. LOL

[brush]

36. ONe maybe too old and one maybe too yuung.

Good thing we've got several mid-career candidates running also.

Actually we probably have two too old who are running.

[Perseus]

64. If this is a blunder? I would have to say it is his first

Biden produces blunders almost every week, he does speak his mind and he has a history of getting in trouble for that.

[link:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/21/joe-biden-trump-sexism-delusional-nostalgia|

[tulipsandroses]

79. Just wanted to point out it that this would not be his first blunder

He had to clean up his ALL LIVES MATTER Comments awhile back. He did once he realized how offensive it was.

[Celerity]

92. the all lives matter stuff was back in March 2015, and he used it once

during the 2015 Sate of the City speech, and did not use it in the same context that other people were, people who misusing it to try and push back against the Black Lives matter movement. Pete was told about those people and said he would never use it again.

He had already said he would never use it again when Hilary Clinton herself said 'all lives matter' 3 months after Pete did.

[tulipsandroses]

101. LOL @ the Whataboutism

I already said he cleaned up what he said.

[Celerity]

105. not everything is whataboutism

O'Malley used it too, many politicians did with no malice intended. Context matters. None of those 3 were in anyway trying to diminish the Black Lives Matter movement. It is a damn shame that the RW can so easily co-opt a very common phrase and make it into some projection of evil intent.

[marylandblue]

38. Nothing to do age, he just didn't handle it well.

Hopefully he does learn from his mistakes, but I think his real problem is he never recovered from his initial mistake with the AA community in his city, and now they don't trust him.

[Celerity]

40. it may well be a big nail in his coffin, I am not going to deny it, but any politician, especially

a white one, is going to have a nightmare if tossed into a similar situation. If he can overcome this, he really is ready for anything coming down the road until the primaries start.

Pete should have resigned as mayor, or waited until his term was up before he announced for POTUS. Every disgruntled political foe is out gunning for him back in South Bend, and the TYT/Bernie alliance has been down there for months, digging up dirt. Now the local and the national media are being spoon-fed negatively-slanted spin stories. The whole, completely spun-up gentrification faux scandal was driven by primarily one person, Regina Williams-Preston, who was running for mayor to replace him (she was crushed in the primary) and also had lost a huge amount of money in fines and a lawsuit she lost to the city in regards to a bunch of decaying houses they (her and her partner) owned. Almost every negative article about that used her spin as a primary source.

Being mayor is really unique, as he is going to be blamed for everything under his watch, unlike a congressperson or a governor. The debates are make or break for Pete, and I think these multiple police issues and an inherent homophobia in certain segments of our community (I am part black and also LGBTQ so well aware) are unfortunately going to make it extremely hard for Buttigieg to gain traction with A-A voters, especially the older ones.

I hope he can find a way to continue in politics. A cabinet position would be great. He is truly a unique person with extraordinarily intelligence, background, and vision. Indiana is so ruby red now he has little chance at winning statewide office, and his district (IN-2) has been gerrymandered into a hard red Rethug one. He is sorta trapped.

[Indygram]

102. I think he's stuck between a rock and a hard place with this unexpected situation

Since he is the mayor, dealing with it falls directly on him and whether it's fair or not, the fact it happened and how it turns out is going to be a reflection on him. He has no choice but to deal with it and until there is a satisfactory resolution every minute he is off campaigning he's going to be judged harshly for it. At the same time if he doesn't campaign he's going to get left behind. He can't feasibly do both at once. Realistically, it's highly unlikely he would be the nominee. If he stays in he's going to risk that harsh judgement for not being home doing his job and dealing with this horrible situation and loss of life in his city.

In all honesty, his best move would be to suspend his campaign and deal with the issue at home and then run for a House or Senate seat. With how much coverage he has gotten I think he would actually have a really great shot at winning. If he keeps trying to campaign while dealing with this shooting I really think he risks permanent harm to his image.

In regards to this protest, I had heard that although it began a bit volatile that it did calm down and led to a much more civil interaction. I didn't see any video other than the one clip they have been showing on the news, but with how much they report misleading stuff about Beto I don't automatically believe they report the full story, so I can definitely see them trying to make it sound worse.

Anyhow...that is my sincere opinion on the police shooting issue that Buttigieg is faced with. I wouldn't wish this on any of the candidates. I saw his face in that video too and it really made me feel bad for him.

[Celerity]

111. the clip only shows the truly heated part, and yes, it did end much better than one would

would possibly think based on the excerpt vid.

also....

You are more optimist than I in regards to

then run for a House or Senate seat.

Indiana as a whole, and his district that South Bend is in, is fucked.

Donnelly only won in 2012 because Richard Mourdock was an insane RWNJ wo said

'even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.'

I think even that, NOW, post-Trump would not have cost the Rethug

Donnelly got beaten soundly in the Blue Wave year, last year, 2018.

I hope Pete gets a cabinet position and/or moves to another state, a blue state. I doubt he moves.

I do not see him getting the nod for VP.

Even if ALL the cop shit had never happened, there is little chance any of the other top possible nominees would pick him.

Beto, no way (2 white guys will not fly)

Biden, ZERO chance, as beside the 2 white guys thing, Biden can only be a truly viable favourite if he pulls huge from the non college-educated, older, and more conservative crowd, PLUS he has to energise the A-A base and other PoC segments too. Pete's being gay, and having an elite policy-wonk projection will never fit into that hugely risk-adverse targeting. I really do not know who he will pick. 2 weeks ago, Abrams for sure. Now, (and this is a real guess) I am not sure Abrams would even accept, UNLESS he really clears up this mess over the whole racial stuff. He probably will, so he is basically locked into Abrams or Harris, Zero chance Booker signs on, lolol.

Harris, same thing with Pete, in terms of the A-A and Latinx cohort, but maybe she rolls the dice. Beto is more likely if she gets the nomination.

Warren might do it, but who knows. I could so see her really going full on female power (wooot woot) and picking Abrams or Harris.

Bernie (who has zero chance to be the nominee) would NEVER pick Pete. His most radical in his base would RIOT. They detest Buttigieg, almost as much as Biden, and bizarrely, only slightly more than Warren.

Booker is the one who I could actually see picking him, as he (Booker) has a contrarian streak. That said, I would think he would also take Beto before Pete.

[mr_lebowski]

60. There actually is a significant difference in the two phrases in question ...

"I didn't ask for your vote" (apparently not what was said, ergo, not even sure why we're discussing it, but since that's what the OP says) comes off as smarmy and disrespectful.

If you're just reading the words, you can imagine a reader putting the emphasis on different words in their head ... "I DIDN'T ASK for your vote". Sounds bad. "I didn't ask for YOUR vote" sounds even worse.

"I'm not asking for your vote" sounds (and reads) as something said in a much more respectful tone. People understand 'asking for your vote' in the present tense as having a specific 'meaning'. When used in the past tense, that meaning is lost.

I understand the OP is reporting what was heard from a commentator, but maybe one should go to the source before trusting a commentator. Just sayin' ... made the same mistake myself many times ...

[brush]

69. Won't sound any different to AA ears when the video circulates

Those are the voters he needs. He needs to stay away from situations that can be interpreted as confrontational.

There's no win-win in this situation. It just adds to more negativity on record between him and the AA community who undoubtedly stil hold resentment about how poorly he handled the former police chief matter.

[mr_lebowski]

84. Respectfully disagree, I think the answer "I'm not asking for your vote"

was appropriate. Could it have been BETTER? Sure. But as long as some proper context is conveyed, it should be fine. It's not a major gaffe.

Had it been "I didn't ask for your vote" ... that'd indeed be bad.

Good evening

[Skya Rhen]

96. I took it in the manner it was intended - it was arrogant and offensive

and the woman that he said it to was offended as well. As she said, he will not be getting her vote and I can assure you that he just lost a good chunk of whatever AA votes that he might have gotten.

[mr_lebowski]

98. Take it however you like ...

[USALiberal]

80. LOL, nice try! nt

[JI7]

10. ok, that's a lot different than what the OP wrote

[Glimmer of Hope]

23. This absolutely what he meant. He is a thoughtful and

decent person

[oldsoftie]

25. I'm sick of the nitpicking bullshit. Every little f$@#ing word or comment.

Bitch bitch bitch. Nothing is ever enough
No matter how hard you try, you'll still be called insensitive, sexist, racist, etc, etc.
Circular firing squad.

[Funtatlaguy]

29. It is so tiring.we really do eat our own with OVERsensitivity. Argh.

[FloridaBlues]

48. True that!

[rzemanfl]

62. oldsoftie? Someone is using your handle.

[trev]

65. Probably true.

I don't think his response was as dismissive as it seems to be.

[R B Garr]

86. Thanks for this clarification. Context is important. But it didn't

sound like a believable leap to think that he would actually say that to someone.

[JudyM]

103. I don't know... she was bringing up the election, so saying he wasn't asking for her vote sounded

to me like he meant it in the context of the question.

[appalachiablue]

8. I saw the video & thought his comment was brusque and surprising.

Not what you'd expect to hear; I haven't been following him that closely to evaluate.

[emmaverybo]

11. In all fairness, when I read about this exchange, my understanding was that he meant he was not

there to drum up political support, but to address the situation at hand. I believe after he said that, he went on to reassure the community that he would investigate thoroughly.

And I believe he said not “I didn't ask for your vote,” but “I am not asking for your vote,” in a way that made clear his response was not contingent upon support for his campaign.

We really must stop doing this.

[jezebel321]

12. She had no sign. She was screaming at him at the protest because of the police killing the

AA man. She said "and you want black people to vote for you" He said he was not asking for her vote he was there to make sure changes were made in the system.

[JoeOtterbein]

13. After watching Joe read his speech and the subsequent talk with Rev. Al today...

...I'm thinking Biden is not ready for prime time either.

[Celerity]

17. +1

[Perseus]

66. Read this article from the Guardian, I hope everyone does

[link:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/21/joe-biden-trump-sexism-delusional-nostalgia|

[JoeOtterbein]

97. Thanks!

Perfect timing.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

91. I know someone who is

[jezebel321]

14. perhaps get the facts of the incident before posting incorrect info? nt

that was a REPUBLICAN strategist on MSNBC giving incorrect info (as usual)

[brush]

20. What was incorrect?

[FloridaBlues]

15. This story may not get that much traction with so much going on in the news

The pundits are still into taking down Biden.
It seems Mayor Pete wasn't there to ask for votes, trying to help out his city with this murder.

[brush]

19. He was in SC today and spoke. He wasn't there last night for the fish fry/

[FloridaBlues]

21. I'm aware he was in SC today. I referred to him being in his town and saying this.

At least I think my post referred to that.

[RLG]

22. I wish the same argument used on O'Rourke would be used on Buttigieg.

He should run for state office.

Don't get me wrong, he's an extremely intelligent, thoughtful person. But he also needs more experience on a statewide level.

[JI7]

27. he is from Indiana so little chance if winning anything statewide there

[RLG]

49. So, he shouldn't try again?

There's a gubernatorial race next year.

How about running for a congressional seat?

[JI7]

51. maybe a congressional seat but not statewide in Indiana

it's a right wing red state.

[RLG]

116. Which narrowly went to Obama in 2008.

So he should just give up and not challenge the GOP in Indiana?

[JI7]

117. that was because of the economic disaster we were in at the time

[Celerity]

53. and his congressional district has been gerrymandered into a safe Rethug one (quelle surprise)

He is semi-trapped.

Cabinet-level placement is his best shot to continue his political career. I doubt he would move, it would seem so inauthentic, as his whole make-up is so intertwined with South Bend.

[JI7]

56. maybe his husband comes from an area he would do better in

but apart from that, yes, cabinet is his best chance .

he could try dnc again also. terry mcauliffe went in to be governor after that. and he could actually stay there even if he got elected somewhere else.

[Celerity]

75. Chasten is from Traverse City, Michigan, in another ruby red congressional (gerrymandered ffs)

district. Trump won it by over 20 points.

Both MI Senators and Governor are already held by Dems.

[mobeau69]

30. This is a bullshit.

I've seen a much longer video. Pete was there to address the situation, not to campaign. The people were understandably upset and frustrated. The subject woman was more than upset and frustrated. She was yelling and waving her arms while Pete was trying to speak. She was hostile towards Pete and attacking him from the very beginning. Pete was his usual calm self but after listening to her screaming at him for some time he began to speak but she kept yelling and waving her arms at Pete. It was like she didn't want to hear what Pete had to say but like she had some personal grudge against him. She knew the cameras were rolling and was more than ready for her 15 minutes.

Anyone who makes a judgement based on this short clip is shooting from the hip.

It was almost like she was rat fucking Pete like a trump/Russian operative would.

[SWBTATTReg]

44. I agree and tensions are high. We had this in STLMO (Ferguson MO) and believe me, the tensions...

then were very high.

When emotions are very high, and as we all know, talking when emotions are so high is a challenge in anyone's book.

The whole STLMO area was literally brought to a standstill because of all the disruptions and disturbances (and not just in Ferguson MO either, we had riots/protesters knocking out windows and such in areas such as Tower Grove Park (the business district)). People were literally afraid to go out of their homes, for literally fear that protestors and rioters would break into our homes and such. This is NOT the way to do protesting or being angry about something.

Sure the young lady was upset but she wasn't getting her point across effectively (obviously). Yelling and screaming doesn't help anyone. She should run for government if she has a beef. We've had lots of good candidates since the Ferguson upheavals run for their city government, and win. A positive step. Other positive steps include revamping their police force, etc.

And don't think STLMO is the lone exception. Every single large city in this country has a minority population that is surrounding by suburban cities / neighborhoods, which also caused a lot of the problems experienced by the Ferguson protestors (random arrests for no reason, umpteen tickets given out in which could never be paid off, etc.).

[MBS]

68. Thank you. you're right.

Folks, it's early days.

[radical noodle]

112. That's entirely possible

since Indiana is full of republicans who would give anything to exploit this situation.

[msongs]

31. so you cherry pick one sentence out of an entire exchange and use it selectively. nt

[democrank]

57. Bam!

[brush]

76. Not a good sentence when you need AA support badly.

Got to learn to stay away from seemingly confrontational situations with a member of a critical demographic of the Dem electorate—especially with the bungled, former, police chief matter already on record.

That sentence can be used in negative ads over and over and over.

[captain queeg]

32. Well, how does his experience compare to Trumps for qualifying him for the presidency?

I like him. I do feel like he lacks experience but look at the current president. He largely ran on the “I am a successful businessman” fable. We all know that was a lie, he’s one of the least successful businessmen of the last few decades. I doubt very many people could step into that office fully prepared (aside from Hillary, probably the most qualified ever). Unfortunately for us qualification seem secondary in the US.

[brush]

41. We do have other mid-career, experienced candidates though.

[LonePirate]

33. Any officer that turns off their camera should be fired automatically. No excuses or second chances.

[mobeau69]

45. He didn't turn it off, the issue is he didn't turn it on.

You need to read up on the guidelines for when the camera should be turned on. That's one of the issues Pete is addressing. The cameras aren't running on every single officer 24/7.

[brush]

50. Seems the issue is it should've been on.

[mobeau69]

58. That's the whole point of the investigation and the consideration of policy changes!

Pete probably thinks it's best to gather all the facts together before rushing to judgement on anyone involved as well as on proposals for changing the guidelines.

[marylandblue]

88. I believe the rules in place were that he was supposed to turn it on.

But civil service and union rules require that there be no disciplinary action without an investigation first. So Pete really can't promise anything until the investigation is complete.

[LonePirate]

73. If he didn't turn it on or if he turned it off, the outcome should be the same - fired from his job.

We need to start taking firm stances against police officers who wantonly murder citizens under the flimsiest of excuses. There may not be enough evidence to prosecute him for murder but he certainly deserves to lose his job. And the officer's word is not worth listening to or believing. It's time we put our foot down on this sort of police misconduct and negligence.

[tblue37]

34. She asked whether he was there in concern for them, or whether it was just part of his

presidential campaign. His remark was to assure her that he was there in concern for them, not to try to win their votes.

In context it was not what your OP says it was.

[brush]

39. I repeated what the cable commentator relayed but it was still...

poorly handled. How do you say to an African American woman "I didn't ask for your vote" when you have very poor support from such a critical demographic in the party?

You just gotta know to stay away from making comments that can come back to bite you.

More seasoning seems in order.

[left-of-center2012]

35. OMG! Haters are turning to Mayor Pete now?

[TheCowsCameHome]

37. If Trump can get elected, anyone can get elected.

our worst candidate is far superior to that POS.

[brush]

42. So true.

[Celerity]

43. this times a billion

Even soon to be 90 year old Gravel, lololol

sigh

[JI7]

54. Trump had Russian Help and the Bigot support

Democrats depend on different type of support to get elected.

[mr_lebowski]

46. Posts like this make me want to bash my head against the wall until my eyes fall out ...

[emmaverybo]

104. +1000

[LakeArenal]

47. Now that Pete has momentum it's time to parse every word.

We need to make sure of every words literal meaning, vernacular meaning, colloquial meaning, biased meaning, unbiased meaning to slow that roll in money and support.

[FloridaBlues]

52. Next it will be Biden read from a script instead of off the cuff

We shouldn't be putting our candidates in tiny boxes in order to campaign. One by one it will happen. Ask Hillary.
When I ran for state office it was brutal so I can sympathize alittle with what they go through

[Perseus]

59. That is some way of turning a simple answer to something bigger

The woman asked him if he thought he should get her vote, and all he said was that "he didn't ask for her vote" at that time he was concerned abut something else...

"This won't play well once this starts circulating on social media" - No, it won't play well, if Democrats are making a big deal of it, imagine when republicans start using it, imagine what they will do with the many gaffes Biden produces every week.

[trev]

67. It must be difficult to be a candidate

having to respond to stuff at a moment's notice, without the benefit of being able to think first. I give Biden slack for this reason, and I'll give Buttigieg slack as well.

[Perseus]

74. Biden is a pro politician, Buttigieg is not

Here is an example of an answer given by Biden, and one by Warren to the same question:

A woman who said she was sexually assaulted by her abusive husband but could not cover an abortion through her military health benefits, asked Biden how he would expand access to abortion.

“A lot of you women, maybe a lot of men out here, maybe don’t realize what incredible courage it took to stand up and say that,” Biden said.

As you can see from his answer, he said nothing, he never answered the question, that is what a pro politician does when he knows his answer will not be popular to his party.

Other candidates went further.

Warren:
“We’ve been on defense for 47 years, and it’s not working,” said the Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren. “An inch at a time, a piece at a time, they’ve chipped away, hacked away at the ground under our feet, so access becomes narrower, becomes more limited.

She went on: “This is a democracy. In a democracy, the laws should reflect the values of the people. So I say it is time to go on offense with Roe v Wade. It’s not enough to say we’re going to rely on the courts. We need to pass a federal law to make Roe v Wade the rule of the land.”

Here is the full article:

[link:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/22/joe-biden-abortion-reproductive-rights-democrats-elizabeth-warren|

[trev]

89. Hm. I'm not sure that either answer actually answered anything.

Maybe I expect too much from a candidate.

[Blue_true]

70. He seems to have handled the past situation with the Black police cheif poorly also.

It does not matter if it is your first month on the job or your fifth year on the job, values and a desire for fairness and thoroughness should drive your decisionmaking, his actions did not reflect that.

So now they have a White cop who turned off his body camera before an encounter with a Black man that left the Black man dead. The number one rule that ALL police departments must deploy and ALL Mayors must drive to fruition is that any officer who turns off his or her body or car camera while on duty faces an immediate disciplinary hearing that could result in termination, a second incident of that would result in automatic termination.

[mobeau69]

77. He didn't turn it off. The issue is he didn't turn it on.

If you're helping a lady who's locked her keys in her car you don't need to turn it on. If, while you're fishing around in her door and a guy drives up and points a gun at you, you need to remember to turn it on. That's the issue.

[Blue_true]

81. The cameras should be turned on by a device at the station house,

and not turn off until the officer finishes his or her shift and pass back by that device. Each camera must have a unique ID number that is registered to the cop as long as he or she works in the department as a police officer.

I don't care what the call is for, the body camera and patrol car camera should be recording at all times. That helps everyone, police officers that take a justified action per their training and people who are unjustly harmed by police officers taking actions that neither their training nor department policy allow.

[customerserviceguy]

100. The problem is

that cops think the body camera is out to screw them. I had the same impression about the fact that my calls were recorded when I was a customer service agent. Somebody accused me of using a swear word with them (I NEVER did, even though I heard lots of them) and the recording proved them to be lying.

Once cops learn that the body cam is there to save their jobs (if they're not assholes), then they will be turned on constantly.

While we will have to use pre-body-cam practices to ascertain if the shooting was justified or not, the bottom line is that Pete needs to fire this cop because of not complying with the rules.

[Blue_true]

106. I think this situation may have torpedoed his chances of not only the winning the nomination,

but also of being on the general election party ticket. There was some concern raised a few months back that he did not fully address the citizen needs of Blacks, this opens that wound. The issue of whether racist cops are being employed by the city becomes an albatross around Buttigieg's neck. A White former officer of the city filled a complaint against the cop that killed the man and that cop has been sued by two Black people for excessive use of force. All of this stuff will now come to the surface.

I once thought Buttigieg could go deep into the primary race, but now I think that he may be among the early dropouts. The debate coming Thursday is likely going to be brutal for him, the shooting may be in every question asked of him.

[customerserviceguy]

108. I fear that you are correct

At this point, I like both Biden and Buttigieg, and whoever was the survivor of them will get my vote in next year's primary. However, Pete's got a lot of time left, and he can rise again another day.

[radical noodle]

113. The cameras automatically turn on

if an officer exits his vehicle while the overhead lights are flashing. That was not the case in this instance.

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/publicsafety/police-shooting-exposes-limits-of-south-bend-s-body-camera/article_bc7566e3-115e-5be1-a81f-512d9d7de0d3.html

[Honeycombe8]

71. I'd have to see it...to hear what she said first, that he was responding to.

The account of the protesters with Pete seemed to me like he handled it well.

He didn't have to deal with them directly, in the first place. The cops were there. He chose to speak with them, and they left satisfied. The head of the NAACP made a statement that he handled things "phenomenally."

[Eliot Rosewater]

78. Provide the entire exchange or video or this means nothing to me

[emmaverybo]

82. Just no. Totally different perspective than that from an article posted in another thread. You

played the telephone game in recounting what you think you heard on a news show without
transcript, slapped a title on, and added your interpretation.

[Cirque du So-What]

83. He could have said something to the effect of...

'As I address this crowd in this moment, I am not in campaign mode,' which would have eliminated all the ambiguity that is swirling around what he did say.

[Kentonio]

120. Yeah exactly

It was a poor choice of words, but he clearly didn’t mean it the way it came out.

[Mike Nelson]

87. Hmmm

My impression was that he wasn't treating it like a campaign appearance. However, I do consider it a mistake. We really don't get to decide what are & are not mistakes - the media and people decide. Bigger however, is - "not ready for prime time" - huh? Biden has been running in prime time for decades! Overall, I think it was good Pete went "home" and faced the music, so to speak, recently. I don't know how any of this is going to play out... The debates will reset the stage, twice at least...

[customerserviceguy]

99. He's screwed no matter what he does

Anything he does that gains him one black vote will lose him two white votes.

Interesting that a transformational candidate can be stopped by one white cop with a gun.

[zentrum]

110. Yikes.

[Chemisse]

114. He's ready for prime time......

Damn nincompoop Trump is, anyone can be.