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Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:27 AM

 

'I don't really know her': Why Kirsten Gillibrand's campaign is stuck at 0.3%

NEW LONDON, N.H. Ė Sen. Kirsten E. Gillibrand swept into a gift shop in the center of this quaint New England town eight days ago and greeted Kathryn Kull with a smile and a handshake.

Kull responded with a look of surprise that told the tale of Gillibrandís presidential campaign.

ďI donít really know her as well as I know the other candidates,Ē Kull acknowledged later. ďAnd honestly, there are so many candidates.Ē

To be exact, 23 serious candidates are vying for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.

Read more: https://buffalonews.com/2019/06/23/kirsten-gillibrands-n-h-problem-giving-voters-a-reason-to-back-her/
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Reply 'I don't really know her': Why Kirsten Gillibrand's campaign is stuck at 0.3% (Original post)
TexasTowelie Jun 2019 OP
Zoonart Jun 2019 #1
PatSeg Jun 2019 #14
USALiberal Jun 2019 #2
Submariner Jun 2019 #3
walkingman Jun 2019 #7
dalton99a Jun 2019 #10
brooklynite Jun 2019 #22
hlthe2b Jun 2019 #11
Politicub Jun 2019 #12
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #15
Politicub Jun 2019 #16
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #19
hlthe2b Jun 2019 #17
Politicub Jun 2019 #20
Trenzalore Jun 2019 #21
Politicub Jun 2019 #26
Trenzalore Jun 2019 #30
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #35
Politicub Jun 2019 #38
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #34
avebury Jun 2019 #25
Politicub Jun 2019 #27
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #36
earthshine Jun 2019 #37
Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #39
brooklynite Jun 2019 #24
Johnyawl Jun 2019 #29
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #31
Zambero Jun 2019 #4
Indykatie Jun 2019 #5
Perseus Jun 2019 #9
Lochloosa Jun 2019 #6
democratisphere Jun 2019 #8
Politicub Jun 2019 #18
dalton99a Jun 2019 #13
brooklynite Jun 2019 #23
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #32
Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 #28
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #33
Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 #40
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #42
USALiberal Jun 2019 #41
Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #43
madville Jun 2019 #44
Raine Jun 2019 #45

Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:29 AM

1. My Senator

 

Right of center. Not likeable. Just MHO.
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Response to Zoonart (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:12 AM

14. I think that is the general consensus

 

and has been for quite some time.
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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:36 AM

2. Hope she drops out soon! nt

 

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:37 AM

3. She tombstoned the career of the great Senator Al Franken without allowing him the hearing

 

he requested to clear the air of the charges levied against him.

She went for his jugular fast with her hyped up rhetoric when it was obvious a setup was being used to take Al down. Therefore, she is persona non grata in the field of presidential contenders imho.
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Response to Submariner (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:44 AM

7. I'll never forget or forgive her actions. He is a major loss to our party.

 

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Response to Submariner (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:01 AM

10. +1. She did it with clear malice, and she considers it a great accomplishment

 

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:52 AM

22. Please justify "clear malice" with evidence

 

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Response to Submariner (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:01 AM

11. And if MORE remember that or LEARN that fact, her support will not even register.

 

Not to mention her past policy views that were exceedingly RW. She's converted on those now--good for her, but I think her undeserved sanctimony is off-putting and her 180-degree conversion of policies not always sincere.
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Response to Submariner (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:02 AM

12. Franken sunk Franken. The picture of him miming squeezing a sleeping woman's breasts

 

did him in. It was moronic and childish for him to do that. If people donít acknowledge Frankenís stupid action in the same breath as condemning Gillibrand, they are concealing half of the story.

And Gillibrand was not alone in saying Bidenís actions were wrong, but she bears the brunt. There were men who also condemned Franken. They get a pass. I wonder why that is?

I know this isnít the popular opinion on DU, but itís being honest.

Franken didnít fight for himself. He resigned instead. Crucifying Gillibrand each time her name is mentioned is an easy, cheap shot. In the primary discussions, itís used as a scarlet letter to signify she is too impure and unclean for consideration.

On edit: the woman wasnít a soldier. Corrected. She was a right winger who was part of a ratfucking campaign that used the photo.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:12 AM

15. "Sleeping soldier"?

 

The "sleeping soldier" was Leeann Tweeden, right-wing radio talk-show host and good pal of Sean Hannity and Roger Stone - who knew in advance that the allegations were coming out and tweeted about it hours before Tweeden made her accusations on the air. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/360726-stone-appeared-to-know-franken-allegation-was-coming The whole thing stunk of ratfucking.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:17 AM

16. So Franken didn't pose for a photo?

 

As odious as Tweeden is, she didnít use some kind of psychic power to cause Franken to do what he did.

Ratfucking did happen. And it was a right-wing hit job. Franken made it easy for creation of the bait, though.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:22 AM

19. But Tweeden grabbing guys' butts during the USO show didn't seem to be a problem.

 


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I'm not interested in relitigating this, but nobody seemed to mind Tweeden's raunchy behavior on the same tour. She got a pass.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:17 AM

17. Only shows how readily a few RW memes are in bamboozling some Dems/Progressives.

 

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:23 AM

20. RW memes do sometimes rely on fallibility of memory.

 

I was taken in, I guess. The camouflage garb was what I remembered from the picture. I corrected my post and noted why.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:35 AM

21. At the time Franken was being mentioned in the same breath as Bill Cosby and Weinstein

 

The me too movement went off the rails when it failed to recognize there are degrees of bad behavior.

The woman was a right wing media personality who shopped her story to right wing media outlets with the intent to take down a sitting US Senator.

Harris has as much to do with the Franken resignation as Gillibrand but Harris was smarter about not running in front of every camera. Gillibrand became the face of those in the Senate to push Franken out and she willingly took that mantle thinking no tolerance would be a winning issue for her in 2020.

Pretending to grab someone's breast on a USO tour didn't seem to me to rise to the level of forcing a distinguished Senator to resign then and it doesn't now.
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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:03 AM

26. I agree it shouldn't have risen to forcing a senator to resign

 

This is not a hill I wish to die on. Sheís near the bottom of my list of nominees. She overreached.

I wrote my post because it gets old that when every time Gillibrandís name comes up, any discussion gets scuttled by someone invoking Franken. Thatís boring in a discussion forum about primary candidates.

Her record in the senate is moderate-to-conservative. I donít think sheís targeting people who think ďFrankenĒ whenever sheís in the spotlight. There was a 60 Minutes piece featuring her, and she comes across well. Not from a policy perspective, but she is a polished candidate.

She has a record of coming from behind and winning. We ignore her strengths at our own peril. Franken doesnít register with the people she is targeting, other than casting him as a caricature in the #metoo bonafides she is burnishing.

This is the broader threat with Gillibrand. I could see her weaponizing Franken and using her stance to win votes. He wasnít a beloved senator with everyone.

He was one of my favorite senators. I didnít only admire him in the senate, I was a fan of his talk show and earlier work. It disappointed me that he didnít fight harder. The photo would have blown over if it wasnít coupled to the emotional flashpoint of his resignation. He could have beat it.

But I guess I did my part in keeping Franken as the main discussion point with Gillibrand by spawning this conversation. I am undercutting my own point.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:14 PM

30. She's an opportunist and been smart in the past

 

A statement that could pretty much summarize anyone in the field.

I don't think there is an appetite for her in 2020. She is having trouble raising money and a lot of that has to do with the Franken controversy. The crowd in NY she could usually count on for money won't donate til they deem her viable.

I have been wrong many times in the past but absent a breakout performance in a debate I don't expect her to even register when Iowa and New Hampshire vote in 2020 because she will be out of money.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:34 PM

35. Moderate to conservative?

 

Actually she has a very liberal record in the Senate, and is the most anti-Trump voting record. However, her record in the House was very conservative which is why many don't trust her.
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:12 PM

38. I stand corrected. I don't know that much about her time in the house.

 

She sure is a lightening rod. But I knew that before I posted. Glutton for punishment, I guess.
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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:31 PM

34. Not running in front of every camera?

 

Harris was the first to go on TV calling for Franken to resign.



And while you make a point about Tweeden, there were 7 other women that accused Franken and no evidence has ever been presented to discredit them.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:01 AM

25. Yes the photo was stupid but the woman has zero credibiility.

 

There is a video out there of her on stage with a band during a USO show. She is prancing around and comes up behind the guitarist and starts to grope him in the butt. He didn't apprciate it and reached around and pushed her away. She then pranced around, laughing, goes up behind the hind and spanks him in the butt a couple of times. I think I posted the video on DU quite a while back when the attack on Al Franken took place.
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Response to avebury (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:05 AM

27. He could have won the fight.

 

Maybe Iím wrong.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:37 PM

36. To be honest

 

No one called for Franken to resign after Tweeden accused him. It was only after seven other women came forward, including an Army vet and a former congressional staffer, that they did.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:02 PM

37. What about Harris???

 

>> There were men who also condemned Franken. They get a pass.

They don't get a pass, and neither does Harris.

And Harris tweeted, "Sexual harassment and misconduct should not be allowed by anyone and should not occur anywhere. I believe the best thing for Senator Franken to do is step down."

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/gillibrand-calls-on-franken-to-resign-282112
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Response to Politicub (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:36 PM

39. She was the first...so I would not votefor her in a primary.

 

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Response to Submariner (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:55 AM

24. What then is the excuse for Klobuchar being at 1% and Booker being at 2%?

 

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Response to Submariner (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:33 PM

29. Exactly!

 


I'll never forgive her for that. I'll vote for any Democrat that gets the nomination, but on my preferred list she's in the bottom 4.
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Response to Submariner (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:23 PM

31. Her and over 30 other Senators

 

including Harris, Warren, Booker and Sanders.

And an ethics committee hearing does not determine guilt or innocence, only if congressional ethics rules had been violated.

Plus since it was such an obvious setup surely you can produce evidence that all 7 women, other than Tweeden, were lying.
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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:41 AM

4. Lightweight

 

In a field of 20+ Gillibrand ranks near the bottom, and not merely in poll numbers.
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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:42 AM

5. To Be Exact We Don't Have 23 "Serious" Candidates - Some of the 23 Are Wasting Our Time and Theirs.

 

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Response to Indykatie (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:59 AM

9. I wonder if the strategy is to gain national exposure to then go for Senate sits

 

Otherwise, like you said, it is a total waste of time and money.
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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:43 AM

6. She needs to go away.

 

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:55 AM

8. One thing.

 

Al Franken 2024.
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Response to democratisphere (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:20 AM

18. Don't you mean 2028?

 

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:03 AM

13. She has every right to run, and people have every right to know what she did.

 

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:52 AM

23. Funny how the woman she talked to didn't know about her and Franken...

 

It's almost as if it wasn't a big issue to the average voter.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:25 PM

32. It wasn't

 

Which is why she run re-election to the Senate with 2/3rds of the vote.

But in a Presidential field, she is just not dynamic enough.
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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:07 AM

28. A friend calls her Mother Superior because of

 

The way she says that Gillibrand treated Franken.
I didnít say this, my friend did.
She wants Franken to move to New York and primary Gillibrand. Oh my.
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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:27 PM

33. In 5 years?

 

Gillibrand isn't up for re-election again until 24.

Maybe he should primary Warren or Sanders or Booker or Harris or any of the over 30 other Senators who called for his resignation the very same day.
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:18 PM

40. She was the ringleader though. Just sayin

 

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #40)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:04 PM

42. So the others were all just blind followers?

 

Doesnít speak well for them.
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:42 PM

41. LOL,here we go again! nt

 

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #41)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:05 PM

43. Sorry

 

that facts upset you.
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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:47 PM

44. No Senator that supported Franken's resignation will win the primary

 

That includes her, Booker, Harris, Warren, Sanders, etc.
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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:45 AM

45. I know all I need to know about her and can sum it up

 

in two words .... Al Franken! and that for me is a BIG NO to her!
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