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"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Sunday again called on former Vice President Joe Biden to apologize for touting his relationships with segregationists, saying Bidens former colleagues participated in a disgusting system.
It is one thing to work with people you have fundamental disagreements with, its another to kind of extol those relationships, Sanders said on CBS Face the Nation Sunday. You cannot be extolling people who really were part of a disgusting system.
I think Joe owes the country an apology on that, Sanders said, adding Do I think Joe Biden is a racist? Absolutely not.
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/449919-sanders-biden-owes-the-country-an-apology-on-civility-remarks
You cannot be extolling people who really were part of a disgusting system.
Says the guy who celebrated the here, there, everywhere, the Yankee will die, Sandanistas.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,276 posts)Sure, rush to get on the bandwagon, Sanders... Self-serving does not begin to describe.
And lest the Bernie supporters rush to excoriate me, this is the FIRST critical post I've made about Sanders--either during this cycle or during the run up to the 2015-16 primaries and election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)it was Bernie's campaign that "leaked" Biden's remarks in the first place. I'm not accusing you of saying that, but it's just strange to me that Bernie gets criticized for basically anything that he does or says around here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)You don't make the world a better place by stooping to your opponent's level. I don't know whether Biden should apologize or not, I was just commenting that Bernie gets criticized for everything around here, including the letter next to his name apparently. But you're right about people being over sensitive these days. It's almost impossible for a politician to say something without someone or some group getting offended by it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)And I think Bernie is chomping at the bit to do it. Even then I'm not sure debate performance against Trump will matter. Hillary was great against him in the debates, and she lost in the end.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Dammit. Give it a rest!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)and if not does NOT want a democrat to be for reasons that are obvious if people would just open their eyes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)does he care if he's not the winner, after all, he welcomes Stein voters in his campaign
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Bernie is so cranky.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,488 posts)People knew what he meant
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)On any interpretation, Biden was not extolling Eastland.
Shame.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,978 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,190 posts)voted for Jill Stein against Hillary, but encouraged others to do likewise
Shame on you Bernie for playing your same divisive games
He obviously doesn't care about Hillary supporters, and he will see that when those Hillary supporters vote for any of the other Democratic candidates in the primary
In addition, if he thinks that will work out for him if there is an open convention, he will be in for a big surprise I think
There is a reason he is not able to move out beyond his base, and even there he is losing support to Elizabeth Warren, who is not only far more intelligent, but can think outside the box, with specifics how to accomplish things, instead of the same old vague sound bites, without how they would be realized yet alone paid for
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
we can do it
(12,184 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,230 posts)sanders for that.. that will never happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)so good luck with that, Bernie, if you think Joe Biden is going to apologize for that or anything else.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)barrel over a gaffe at some point. Sirota isnt very competent w advice imho. Bernie deserves a pro advisor who will promote Bernies strengths.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blue-wave
(4,353 posts)and one of the people interviewed made a statement that struck me. It was to the effect that in politics you can disagree with someone, sometimes vehemently and also find their position totally morally repugnant, but that shouldn't make you enemies at the end of the day, it make you opponents.
That is the civility Joe was attempting to convey. It's the ability to talk to someone who's views you literally hate and still move your position forward. It's one of the reasons why LBJ was able to move forward on so many civil rights issues. He would get angry inches from people's faces and sometimes poke a finger in their chest, but at the end of the day he had the votes he needed to move the country forward. So unlike the type of divisive, confrontational bullying we have from the present administration.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)This where calls for "civility," are misplaced. The problem isn't that politicians aren't being polite enough to each other. The problem is that there are two many things that each side is absolutely unwilling to budge in and therefore no compromise is possible.
Democrats often blame Republicans for this, but there are issues we absolutely refuse to budge on ourselves, like abortion. I agree with our position on abortion. But the fact that we think we are absolutely right and the others are absolutely wrong is the very thing that makes compromise impossible, Because they believe the same about their position.
How do you compromise between two opposing visions of absolute right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)The dozens of speeches and rallies he gave on her behalf in states she refused to campaign in (Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.). Repeatedly asking his supporters from the primary to vote for her. Yeah, none of that counts. The 2016 primary was brutal, but it's just not true that Bernie didn't help Clinton in the general.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)The circumstantial evidence is there that his agenda was to defeat Hillary so he would have a second shot at presidency.
That was the word on the street and on several JPR threads started by former DUers.
In 2020, the chickens have come home to roost.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)I'm sure a handful of people posting on an internet forum knew the inner workings of Bernie's campaign staff. Enough with the conspiracy theories. All you have to do is look at the vote totals. Gary Johnson ran on the Libertarian Party ticket and doubled or tripled Jill Stein's votes in every state, including the key swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. Gary Johnson's support almost certainly came from would-be Trump supporters just as much as Jill Stein's support came from would-be Hillary supporters. Add up all 3rd party votes (which, btw, there were several others that ran on conservative platforms that likely siphoned votes from Trump) and add them to the candidate you think those people would have otherwise voted for, and Trump still would have won those states, probably by larger margins.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
quickesst
(6,280 posts)Bernie Sanders made a false accusation and has no problem lying about it.
It is one thing to work with people you have fundamental disagreements with, its another to kind of extol those relationships, Sanders said on CBS Face the Nation Sunday. You cannot be extolling people who really were part of a disgusting system.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts).... the anti-Biden people open their mouth Joe seems to rise a little more. Seems they are inadvertently doing him a favor but can't stop digging their hole deeper and deeper.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Clash City Rocker
(3,396 posts)Who was a master at that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts)Barack Obama and Joe Biden supported each other, and probably learned a lot from each other.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)In no way did Joe Biden 'extol' the virtues of segregationists. That's a ludicrous lie on its face. Bernie Sanders should be more concerned with Elizabeth Warren's rise in the polls at Bernie's expense. Which is not btw a false media narrative.
Joe will continue to be lambasted because this is the fate of any frontrunner. He's getting it from Republicans and Dems. How he withstands and reacts to the poisoned arrows will go a long way in determining his nomination for 2020 and his ultimate success in the General. Because whatever we're hearing now will be 1000x worse for any of our candidates in the GE.
This is the political run-the-gauntlet moment that our candidates dash through each election cycle. It's not pretty to watch or hear and the loudest voices run the risk of shooting themselves in the foot with the ugly. Karma is a bitch!
However, it is what it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts)One thing about it. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Every time Joe Biden gets slandered with this type of crap, it only helps to fill the ocean up a little more, and Joe continues to rise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)sort of like a skydiver whose parachute doesn't open and he frantically moves his hands and legs thinking it would give him a lift.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)People in glass houses shouldn't ride swiftboats
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)because he is bankrupt of any new ideas. His tired, 60 year old message is known as nothing but slogans and most people yawn when he speaks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CaptainTruth
(6,591 posts)I've seen 3 comments from Bernie in the past 3 days & every one of them has been attacking Democrats.
It's sad, I used to like him but he's lost me, forever.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)For refusing to vote for sanctions on Russia.
For his terrible pro gun legislative record.
For calling for PBO to be primaried.
For not controlling his disruptive minions at the 2016 convention.
I could go on but this is a start.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(13,033 posts)How many civil rights workers did they murder?
Did the Sandinistas routinely lynch African Americans?
Why on earth would you compare the people who overthrew the fascist dictatorship of Nicaragua to white supremacists?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:04 PM - Edit history (1)
...to white supremacists?"
Bernie: You cannot be extolling people who really were part of a disgusting system.
I have no problem with and take much joy in the overthrow of Somoza. He was a pig. But the system put in place to replace his dictatorship was odious too. IOW 'disgusting.' I married a refugee from Nicaragua. So did my younger brother. I've met these people and heard their stories. @#$% the Sandanistas and Ortega. They're pigs also.
And from my experience that whole here, there, everywhere, the Yankee will die, chant they took up in Bernie's presence is hilariously wrong. The Nicaraguans don't want to kill the Yankee. They want to marry them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Every single one of them including Biden needs to move the fuck on and focus on Trump wanting three terms or more.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden