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Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:45 AM

 

Sanders: Biden 'owes the country an apology' on 'civility' remarks

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"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Sunday again called on former Vice President Joe Biden to apologize for touting his relationships with segregationists, saying Biden’s former colleagues participated in a “disgusting system.”

“It is one thing to work with people you have fundamental disagreements with, it’s another to kind of extol those relationships,” Sanders said on CBS’ “Face the Nation” Sunday. “You cannot be extolling people who really were part of a disgusting system.”

“I think Joe owes the country an apology on that,” Sanders said, adding “Do I think Joe Biden is a racist? Absolutely not.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/449919-sanders-biden-owes-the-country-an-apology-on-civility-remarks


“You cannot be extolling people who really were part of a disgusting system.”

Says the guy who celebrated the “here, there, everywhere, the Yankee will die,” Sandanistas.
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Reply Sanders: Biden 'owes the country an apology' on 'civility' remarks (Original post)
Scurrilous Jun 2019 OP
hlthe2b Jun 2019 #1
HerbChestnut Jun 2019 #16
Chin music Jun 2019 #29
HerbChestnut Jun 2019 #35
Chin music Jun 2019 #36
HerbChestnut Jun 2019 #41
democratisphere Jun 2019 #2
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #26
Me. Jun 2019 #39
left-of-center2012 Jun 2019 #3
LakeArenal Jun 2019 #31
dalton99a Jun 2019 #4
crazytown Jun 2019 #5
highplainsdem Jun 2019 #6
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #27
still_one Jun 2019 #7
we can do it Jun 2019 #13
Cha Jun 2019 #51
mtnsnake Jun 2019 #8
emulatorloo Jun 2019 #11
blue-wave Jun 2019 #9
Scurrilous Jun 2019 #12
marylandblue Jun 2019 #30
LakeArenal Jun 2019 #32
DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #10
tishaLA Jun 2019 #14
Post removed Jun 2019 #15
HerbChestnut Jun 2019 #17
lunamagica Jun 2019 #42
Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #44
HerbChestnut Jun 2019 #46
quickesst Jun 2019 #18
Scurrilous Jun 2019 #20
quickesst Jun 2019 #23
Clash City Rocker Jun 2019 #28
quickesst Jun 2019 #34
peggysue2 Jun 2019 #48
quickesst Jun 2019 #50
NYMinute Jun 2019 #19
ucrdem Jun 2019 #21
Scurrilous Jun 2019 #24
Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #22
DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2019 #25
Chin music Jun 2019 #33
Downtown Hound Jun 2019 #37
CaptainTruth Jun 2019 #38
BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #40
lunamagica Jun 2019 #43
Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #45
Scurrilous Jun 2019 #47
JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #49

Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:46 AM

1. But, of course he said that...

 



Sure, rush to get on the bandwagon, Sanders... Self-serving does not begin to describe.

And lest the Bernie supporters rush to excoriate me, this is the FIRST critical post I've made about Sanders--either during this cycle or during the run up to the 2015-16 primaries and election.
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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:54 AM

16. But according to some on this site,

 

it was Bernie's campaign that "leaked" Biden's remarks in the first place. I'm not accusing you of saying that, but it's just strange to me that Bernie gets criticized for basically anything that he does or says around here.
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Response to Chin music (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:50 PM

35. We shouldn't be holding ourselves to Republican's standards.

 

You don't make the world a better place by stooping to your opponent's level. I don't know whether Biden should apologize or not, I was just commenting that Bernie gets criticized for everything around here, including the letter next to his name apparently. But you're right about people being over sensitive these days. It's almost impossible for a politician to say something without someone or some group getting offended by it.
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Response to Chin music (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:05 PM

41. I'm looking forward to Bernie debating Trump

 

And I think Bernie is chomping at the bit to do it. Even then I'm not sure debate performance against Trump will matter. Hillary was great against him in the debates, and she lost in the end.
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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:51 AM

2. This is the kind of sh't that allows people like drumpf to win.

 

Dammit. Give it a rest!
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Response to democratisphere (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:38 PM

26. OH believe me, there is at least one candidate who VERY VERY MUCH wants to be prez

 

and if not does NOT want a democrat to be for reasons that are obvious if people would just open their eyes.
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Response to democratisphere (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:56 PM

39. The Question Is

 

does he care if he's not the winner, after all, he welcomes Stein voters in his campaign
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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:52 AM

3. Oh, Bernie

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:44 PM

31. Exactly my thought...

 

Bernie is so cranky.
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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:54 AM

4. Biden is not a racist, and he wasn't praising racists

 

People knew what he meant





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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 10:56 AM

5. "extolling people"? L-I-E

 

On any interpretation, Biden was not extolling Eastland.
Shame.
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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:13 AM

6. Shame on Sanders. His desperation is showing more every day.

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:38 PM

27. If only people could see ...

 

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:16 AM

7. Sanders should apologize for hiring people to high positions in his campaign who not only

 

voted for Jill Stein against Hillary, but encouraged others to do likewise

Shame on you Bernie for playing your same divisive games

He obviously doesn't care about Hillary supporters, and he will see that when those Hillary supporters vote for any of the other Democratic candidates in the primary

In addition, if he thinks that will work out for him if there is an open convention, he will be in for a big surprise I think

There is a reason he is not able to move out beyond his base, and even there he is losing support to Elizabeth Warren, who is not only far more intelligent, but can think outside the box, with specifics how to accomplish things, instead of the same old vague sound bites, without how they would be realized yet alone paid for

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:31 AM

13. +1000

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:59 PM

51. Exactly.. I want to hear an apology from

 

sanders for that.. that will never happen.
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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:21 AM

8. Sanders ought to know by now that Biden apologizes about as frequently as Trump

 

so good luck with that, Bernie, if you think Joe Biden is going to apologize for that or anything else.
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Response to mtnsnake (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:26 AM

11. Senator Sanders is a bit of a gaffe machine himself. Love Bernie, but it will be his time in the

 

barrel over a gaffe at some point. Sirota isn’t very competent w advice imho. Bernie deserves a pro advisor who will promote Bernie’s strengths.
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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:21 AM

9. I was watching a documentary the other day

 

and one of the people interviewed made a statement that struck me. It was to the effect that in politics you can disagree with someone, sometimes vehemently and also find their position totally morally repugnant, but that shouldn't make you enemies at the end of the day, it make you opponents.

That is the civility Joe was attempting to convey. It's the ability to talk to someone who's views you literally hate and still move your position forward. It's one of the reasons why LBJ was able to move forward on so many civil rights issues. He would get angry inches from people's faces and sometimes poke a finger in their chest, but at the end of the day he had the votes he needed to move the country forward. So unlike the type of divisive, confrontational bullying we have from the present administration.
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Response to blue-wave (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:30 AM

12. ...

 

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Response to blue-wave (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:42 PM

30. LBJ was a divisive, confrontational, bully only he did it in private.

 

This where calls for "civility," are misplaced. The problem isn't that politicians aren't being polite enough to each other. The problem is that there are two many things that each side is absolutely unwilling to budge in and therefore no compromise is possible.

Democrats often blame Republicans for this, but there are issues we absolutely refuse to budge on ourselves, like abortion. I agree with our position on abortion. But the fact that we think we are absolutely right and the others are absolutely wrong is the very thing that makes compromise impossible, Because they believe the same about their position.

How do you compromise between two opposing visions of absolute right?
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Response to blue-wave (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:45 PM

32. In that case, Bernie is pretty uncivil

 

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:24 AM

10. I'm starting to like Kamala, Cory, and Beto a lot more.

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:52 AM

14. Kamala's speech yesterday was fire nt

 

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Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:00 PM

17. Sure

 

The dozens of speeches and rallies he gave on her behalf in states she refused to campaign in (Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.). Repeatedly asking his supporters from the primary to vote for her. Yeah, none of that counts. The 2016 primary was brutal, but it's just not true that Bernie didn't help Clinton in the general.
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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:23 PM

42. It is true. His support was lukewarm, at best

 

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:41 PM

44. All his top leadership campaigned for, advocated for and voted for Jill Stein.

 

The circumstantial evidence is there that his agenda was to defeat Hillary so he would have a second shot at presidency.

That was the word on the street and on several JPR threads started by former DUers.

In 2020, the chickens have come home to roost.
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Response to Vegas Roller (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 02:00 PM

46. Oh yes, the ever reliable JPR

 

I'm sure a handful of people posting on an internet forum knew the inner workings of Bernie's campaign staff. Enough with the conspiracy theories. All you have to do is look at the vote totals. Gary Johnson ran on the Libertarian Party ticket and doubled or tripled Jill Stein's votes in every state, including the key swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. Gary Johnson's support almost certainly came from would-be Trump supporters just as much as Jill Stein's support came from would-be Hillary supporters. Add up all 3rd party votes (which, btw, there were several others that ran on conservative platforms that likely siphoned votes from Trump) and add them to the candidate you think those people would have otherwise voted for, and Trump still would have won those states, probably by larger margins.
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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:08 PM

18. One thing that can't be argued with...

 

Bernie Sanders made a false accusation and has no problem lying about it.

“It is one thing to work with people you have fundamental disagreements with, it’s another to kind of extol those relationships,” Sanders said on CBS’ “Face the Nation” Sunday. “You cannot be extolling people who really were part of a disgusting system.”


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praise enthusiastically.
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Response to quickesst (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:10 PM

20. Yep.

 

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:15 PM

23. Seems like every time....

 

.... the anti-Biden people open their mouth Joe seems to rise a little more. Seems they are inadvertently doing him a favor but can't stop digging their hole deeper and deeper.
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Response to quickesst (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:40 PM

28. Something Joe may have learned from Barack

 

Who was a master at that.
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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:46 PM

34. you may be right

 

Barack Obama and Joe Biden supported each other, and probably learned a lot from each other.
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Response to quickesst (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 02:29 PM

48. +1000

 

In no way did Joe Biden 'extol' the virtues of segregationists. That's a ludicrous lie on its face. Bernie Sanders should be more concerned with Elizabeth Warren's rise in the polls at Bernie's expense. Which is not btw a false media narrative.

Joe will continue to be lambasted because this is the fate of any frontrunner. He's getting it from Republicans and Dems. How he withstands and reacts to the poisoned arrows will go a long way in determining his nomination for 2020 and his ultimate success in the General. Because whatever we're hearing now will be 1000x worse for any of our candidates in the GE.

This is the political run-the-gauntlet moment that our candidates dash through each election cycle. It's not pretty to watch or hear and the loudest voices run the risk of shooting themselves in the foot with the ugly. Karma is a bitch!

However, it is what it is.
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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #48)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:09 PM

50. excellent post

 

One thing about it. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Every time Joe Biden gets slandered with this type of crap, it only helps to fill the ocean up a little more, and Joe continues to rise.
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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:09 PM

19. Bernie is flailing

 

sort of like a skydiver whose parachute doesn't open and he frantically moves his hands and legs thinking it would give him a lift.
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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:13 PM

21. LOL.

 

People in glass houses shouldn't ride swiftboats
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:32 PM

24. ...

 

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:13 PM

22. Sanders is back to a campaign of smearing other candidates

 

because he is bankrupt of any new ideas. His tired, 60 year old message is known as nothing but slogans and most people yawn when he speaks.
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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:35 PM

25. Please feel free to vote

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287162326

Thank you in advance.
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Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:53 PM

37. Blow it out your ass Bernie. n/t

 

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:53 PM

38. Attacking Democrats, again.

 

I've seen 3 comments from Bernie in the past 3 days & every one of them has been attacking Democrats.

It's sad, I used to like him but he's lost me, forever.
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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 12:57 PM

40. Bernie owes me an apology

 

For refusing to vote for sanctions on Russia.

For his terrible pro gun legislative record.

For calling for PBO to be primaried.

For not controlling his disruptive minions at the 2016 convention.

I could go on but this is a start.
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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:29 PM

43. Sanders, your desperation is showing. Drop out already and endorse Elizabeth

 

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 01:47 PM

45. Which church here did the Sandinistas blow up?

 

How many civil rights workers did they murder?

Did the Sandinista’s routinely lynch African Americans?

Why on earth would you compare the people who overthrew the fascist dictatorship of Nicaragua to white supremacists?
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Sun Jun 23, 2019, 02:17 PM

47. "Why on earth would you compare the people who overthrew the fascist dictatorship of Nicaragua...

 

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...to white supremacists?"

Bernie: “You cannot be extolling people who really were part of a disgusting system.”

I have no problem with and take much joy in the overthrow of Somoza. He was a pig. But the system put in place to replace his dictatorship was odious too. IOW 'disgusting.' I married a refugee from Nicaragua. So did my younger brother. I've met these people and heard their stories. @#$% the Sandanistas and Ortega. They're pigs also.

And from my experience that whole “here, there, everywhere, the Yankee will die,” chant they took up in Bernie's presence is hilariously wrong. The Nicaraguans don't want to kill the Yankee. They want to marry them.




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Sun Jun 23, 2019, 02:34 PM

49. Oh god

 

Every single one of them including Biden needs to move the fuck on and focus on Trump wanting three terms or more.
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