Biden's look of shock when Harris said, "And that little girl was me."

[pnwmom]

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Link to tweet

[Autumn]

1. That was stunning.

[Doreen]

2. I do not think it was shock.

I saw sadness in his face.

[onetexan]

41. agree. i think Kamala is taking his words re: the segregationists completely out of context.

[BlueDawn]

77. Yes. I completely agree with you.

n/t.

[Rebl2]

3. I saw

surprise and sadness

[50 Shades Of Blue]

5. So did I. That was a stunning exchange.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

112. Historic!! The media will be playing those exchanges for weeks and will keep the issue alive...

Wait til Kamala gets to the crime bill Joe wrote... I don't see Kamala letting go of this anytime soon, as it adds fuel to her candidacy.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[trueblue2007]

9. surprise and sadness ..... right

[DURHAM D]

17. Biden should have simply apologized to her and

all others that he offended with his Eastland gaffe. The thing is though, Biden never apologizes for his mistake. He just keeps digging in. Too bad. He had a moment provided to him where he could of fix his problem.

jftr - I can not help but wonder what Michelle Obama is thinking right now.

[Celerity]

25. for better or for worse, Biden doesn't do apologies (or very rarely)

[DURHAM D]

28. For worse. nt

[marylandblue]

29. For worse, I think. He should just say he was wrong on busing,

or at least say he would do things differently now.

[sacto95834]

106. Hyde Amendment

He certainly back peddled on this one - use or non-use of federal funds for abortions.

[Celerity]

109. he also hedged his bets on even that and said he might, if circumstances here different revert back

to supporting it (the Hyde Amendment) and also (of course) tossed in his patented 'no apologies' verbage

Link to tweet

the exact part




here is the article

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-s-authenticity-risk-abortion-flap-n1014931

"I make no apologies for my last position, and I make no apologies for what I’m about to say," he said. "I can’t justify leaving millions of women without access to the care they need and the ability to ... exercise their constitutionally protected right. If I believe healthcare is a right, as I do, I can no longer support an amendment that makes that right dependent on someone’s zip code."

And still, Biden said, if the threat of accessibility for poor women was removed, he might revert to favoring the Hyde amendment.

snip

I even emailed the reporter, Jon Allen for clarification (as people were trying to deny it all) and he responded:

to: [e-mail]
date: 7 Jun 2019, 19:47
subject: Quick question on your recent NBC Biden article
mailed-by: gmail.com



he responded:


Allen, Jon (NBCUniversal)
[e-mail]

[StarfishSaver]

30. That was awkward

He fell back into the "how dare you say I ..." lashout, which was inappropriate. Sometimes it's better to just apologize - or at least slide past it - and move on. But playing the victim is not the right way to handle this.

[pnwmom]

87. Right. If Robert Byrd could apologize for his mortal sins and move on,

then Joe Biden could for his mistakes.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

116. Yes, an apology from Joe would go a long way-as would supporting reparations for the sins of slavery

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[UniteFightBack]

60. Actually she should apologize for saying that HE CODDLED segregationists. Yes this whole line of

attack has gone pretty well for Booker and Harris.

[Thekaspervote]

64. No that segregation attack has not gone well for Booker

When John Lewis and Jim Clyburn come out following that kind of attack in support of Biden...not a good look

[DURHAM D]

69. You could not be more wrong. nt

[UniteFightBack]

71. It's what she said...it's a quote and apparently she said this on Face the Nation so this is all

going according to plan.

"We cannot be ignorant of the history of race in this country and certainly anyone who is a leader should not be," Harris said on CBS's "Face the Nation,"

She was talking about Biden...not rump.

[StarfishSaver]

93. She might have owed him an apology if she had said that.

But she didn't.

[UniteFightBack]

95. Ummmm yeah she did say it. Here is a video of it.

https://viralbuzz247.com/kamala-harris-blasts-joe-biden-for-coddling-the-reputations-of-segregationists-ben-shapiro-takes-her-to-the-wood-shed/

[StarfishSaver]

96. She didn't say he "coddled segregationists." She said he coddled their reputations, which he did

[UniteFightBack]

97. Then you didn't listen to his comments either. I've had enough of you. Goodnight. nt

[StarfishSaver]

99. You've had enough of me? Promise?

Great! Goodnight.

[UniteFightBack]

100. I don't normally do this but I'll do one better. nt

[NanceGreggs]

102. No, he didn't "coddle" anything ...

... nor did he "praise" anyone, nor did he "extol their virtues" - or any of the other terms being bandied about.

[StarfishSaver]

103. That's a matter of perspective

To many people, hearing a politician talk about how well he worked with virulent segregationists and that they never called him "boy" is the very definition of coddling their reputation. And it certainly is a form of normalizing them.

I can understand how some people might not see it that way. But it is wrong to attack those who do see it that way for having the perspective they have.

I've been reading and enjoying your posts and the depth and empathy they show - I hope that you can find your way to apply this empathy when trying to understand why some people were offended by what he said, even if you weren't.

[NanceGreggs]

110. Joe was making a point.

And in making the point that he could work productively with anyone', he chose to cite two people whose public personas were as opposite to his as possible.

Would you have been impressed if he'd said, "I was able to work with someone who wanted the minimum wage to be raised to $14.50 an hour, despite the fact that I was adamant that it be $15.00 - and yet we were able to work together"?

When you want to make the point that working with those with whom you disagree on many core issues can be productive, you point to your ability to do so with those perceived to be the most opposite to what you stand for.

I can understand why some people were offended - but their being offended does not change the fact that accusations of "coddling, praising, or extolling the virtues of" these two people is ridiculous.

[demosincebirth]

80. Apologize for what? Did he insult her? God, that was

Almost fifty years ago!

[AlexSFCA]

90. it's not the busing per se

it’s how Biden handled it, essentially saying that it is up to state and local governments to decide the issue of race. It was lethally bad look. I think this exchange is going to be dissected for weeks to come and we will hear from historians, experts and those who experienced that era like Kamala. I wanna get more educated on this. Kamala shared her own experience and I am curious how indicative it is of collective black experience in America in the 70s.
This was also a major turn in primary race where Kamala basically declared she’ll fight Biden and anyone else for the nomination without reservation. Warren also has very strong points against Biden and his bipartisan deal making skills (apparently often bad deals long term).

[demosincebirth]

98. I lived in Oakland (Berkeley) for many years and I do

Not remember busing being that big of an issue, here, as she made it sound

[StarfishSaver]

101. She didn't say it was a big issue. She said it happened and she was part of the second wave.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

113. Joe better come out with an apology admitting his mistake and fast, or this could sink his campaign.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[appalachiablue]

4. Don't think it was shock, maybe deep thinking

[still_one]

6. For those that believe busing was a success, I suggest people go back and see just how successful it

was

[StarfishSaver]

32. It was successful in many areas, unsuccessful in some others

That doesn't mean that it wasn't the right thing to do or to at least try.

[still_one]

37. Berkley/Northern California where I am ok, but it was the catalyst for turmoil in other parts of the

country

Boston was a perfect example for the turmoil that resulted from it

but I will agree in some places it was fine, but in general it was a mixed record of success at best

[StarfishSaver]

40. Desegregation caused turmoil all over the country as people fought back with everything they had

in order to maintain states' rights, segregation and freedom to discriminate. The fact that it caused turmoil doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do or that the people fighting against change were on the right side of history.

[still_one]

43. I am specifically referring to the issue of bussing of public schools as a solution to

desegregation in public schools.

Having one's kids bussed out of their neighborhood across town to achieve desegregation in public schools was not an ideal solution.

[StarfishSaver]

44. It wasn't the ideal solution, but in some cases it was the best or only one available after

nothing else worked.

The courts ordered busing only after all other remedies failed. And schoolkids are bused all the time. As was said at the time, "busing is as American as apple pie." In fact, black kids were frequently bused miles and miles past one or more white schools to get them to their segregated school and people didn't complain or attack it as "forced busing." And often the busing ordered didn't take children very far - it just took them to a school in a different school district that was closer or not much further than the school they were previously assigned to.

When I was a kid, I lived in a predominantly white neighborhood less than a mile from the closest junior high school but it was in a different school district with a much larger black population. The school I and my white neighbors were assigned to was more than two miles away, so we had to be bused. But the busing was not being done for the purpose of desegregation, so there was no controversy and no one complained that we had to be bused to school even though there was a school much closer to us. And when people suggested redrawing the district lines so that more of the white kids in my neighborhood could attend the predominantly black school,in walking distance so many white parents had such a fit that the idea was dropped immediately.

But, as my father said at the time, "It's not the bus. It's us."

[still_one]

46. If our nominee, whoever it is extols the virtues of bussing as a campaign issue in the

general elections, I don't think that will work very well for us

[StarfishSaver]

48. No one needs to "extol the virtues of busing as a campaign issue"

But if a candidate benefitted from busing, there's nothing wrong with him or her saying so.

I'm tired of black people being expected to run away from civil rights in order not to offend white people or in order to avoid it being used as a wedge issue.

[still_one]

52. Of course not, and I have no expectations of anyone, what they should or should NOT do, and frankly

I resent your implication that I am of that mind set

So we're done with this dialog as far as I am concerned

Go find someone else to accuse what he or she expects of African Americans to do for the benefit of white people, because it isn't me

[Blue_true]

84. So you would not do the right thing because it would upset someone?

Oh wow. In my county, busing to achieve integrated schools has been a massive success.

[still_one]

86. That is not what I said, and I have no doubt that it was successful in your area, however,

the fact is it had a mixed record:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/10/06/496411024/why-busing-didnt-end-school-segregation

Audie Cornish

"So why did busing fail?
A couple things happen that make it difficult to sustain busing programs into the '80s and '90s.
One is the tremendous amount of white flight that happens in cities like Boston, so there just simply aren't enough white students to go around to have meaningful school desegregation. This is true in Chicago, in Los Angeles, in New York.
The other thing that happens is busing placed a tremendous burden on black students and on students of color. In most cases, they were the ones that were asked to travel to the suburbs, travel sometimes to hostile neighborhoods. For many parents, that simply isn't worth it after a number of years.
If not busing, what were the other ways that schools tried to desegregate in modern times?
There were a couple of popular plans. One would be magnet schools — trying to funnel resources into schools primarily in communities of color that would attract white students back to those schools. Those have received different amounts of success in different communities, but it's been a program that has some merit and has been popular for good reason.
Another would be to simply redraw zoning lines. I think one of the reasons that busing got so much attention is that it seemed very inconvenient. They're talking about busing kids a half-hour out of the city. In many communities, if you simply redraw the zoning lines you can accomplish school desegregation. It's still tremendously controversial, but it can still produce meaningful school integration in places that have tried it.
For schools that have tried rezoning, taking race into account has led to trouble with the law.
Exactly — there are two issues. One, the Supreme Court has consistently handed down decisions that say that race can't be the primary factor in drawing these school zoning lines. The court does not want to see race be the deciding factor in these school desegregation issues.
The other factor is simply a matter of political will and how much white parents will go for it. Unfortunately, it's the case that across the country, white parents simply don't want to send their kids to schools with large numbers of African-American or Latino students — even if they consider themselves to be liberal in theory, or in the abstract, they are in favor of integration.
When push comes to shove ... they oppose any sort of meaningful school integration.
Can you elaborate? What does that mean and what does that look like?
I think one of the challenges of what the Obama Administration is proposing is the voluntary aspect. I think voluntary is great, but the number of school districts that are willing to take this on? I think the Century Foundation has been doing some research on this. It's something like 1 percent of school districts in the country are attempting these programs. I don't think that's going to scale much beyond 5 percent or 10 percent unless there is real political will put behind it.
I think it's great to offer some cash incentives and encourage people to take this on voluntarily. But the history of the last five decades is that school districts simply won't do this voluntarily and that if we want to see meaningful school desegregation — whether that is in terms of socioeconomic status or race — it has to be encouraged"

[Blue_true]

83. It was a massive success in my county.

Kids got shorter bus rides and the four high schools and many middle and elementary schools that resulted improved in statewide rating for quality.

[aikoaiko]

7. Kamala Harris really surprised me how well she did that.

Tonight's debate became very important with that exchange.

[redstateblues]

8. Busing was a failure. It caused white flight

[DURHAM D]

19. So?

White flight helped in some areas, hurt in others.

[Celerity]

33. I would love to see white flight, 50 million Nazi Magats can fly to Russia and stay

let Putin deal with the explosion of slack jaws shot into his nation's gene pool

[John Fante]

42. It devastated African American communities though.

[DURHAM D]

67. it opened up housing in some previously white neighborhoods.

Thus they became mixed. Wasn't that the point.

[pnwmom]

31. I don't agree that it was a failure, especially for the black children like Harris

who were able to go to much better schools.

[Buzz cook]

34. Busing did not cause white flight.

That had started in the 1940s. Whites didn't just flee blacks, they fled from spics and wops and Jews and polacks.

School busing was successful in many communities. But it supplied a wedge issue that racists and republicans and some democrats were able to take advantage of.

[marylandblue]

35. A lot of things caused white flight. But rather than work for better solutions,

we sort of gave up on integration altogether. I don't really blame Biden for the failure of busing, but I think he could tell us what he would do as President to heal the racial divide.

[StarfishSaver]

36. Busing didn't cause white flight. A desire not to have their children attend integrated schools

and to live in integrated communities caused white flight.

Busing was one of the measures intended to help desegregate schools and follow the Supreme Court mandate in Brown v. Board of Education and subsequent cases when more traditional methods were made difficult and impossible by white flight and recalcitrant school districts that redrew their district lines and employed other measures to maintain all-white schools.

Busing was always a last resort.

[tishaLA]

10. It was a powerful moment

She handled it well, with the appropriate levels of emotion and reason

[DesertRat]

11. "that little girl was me"

Link to tweet

[dawg day]

12. I think it would be completely acceptable for the older candidates to say--

"Times have changed, and I've learned since then."

It's really hard to truly to defend a lot of what any of us did/thought/said 30 years ago. I remember being just shocked at the idea of gay marriage, and yeah, I've learned since then that I was wrong then. Why defend it? I'm sure I had reasons (mostly because it was so unconventional), but that's all irrelevant and wrong now.

It's okay to say, "I've lived and learned."

[tishaLA]

15. Yup yup. I can't believe others don't see that

[pnwmom]

18. I agree. I don't know why more don't do that. Senator Robert Byrd apologized

for his past, which was despicable, and he was able to move on.

[DURHAM D]

20. Well, like Swalwell said -

Time to pass the torch.

[marylandblue]

55. Exactly. If age brings wisdom, it's because you made your mistakes already.

[uponit7771]

68. +1

[tulipsandroses]

88. I don't know why its so hard for Biden to say this!!!

Too many times when he is faced with things he has been wrong on he has refused to say he is wrong. As someone on tv said tonight, nobody who has had a successful 40something year career is going to get everything right at first. He could easily win the argument by saying, I was wrong, I've learned a lot since then, I've grown and evolved. It would diffuse everything. Instead it gives fuel to his opponent. I know he thinks he has the older generation locked in but he should not take it for granted.

Barack Obama did not have the black vote at first because they did not think he could win. If black folks think Kamala can win, she will build momentum so Joe should not think he has this locked in.

[Midwestocrat]

13. Meh. More mudslinging disguised as something meaningful.

Kamala Harris had plenty of advantages like dating the SF mayor whom appointed her to a pretty nice job...

I wish they'd stick to issues, because most of them have been very good when talking substance.

The mudslinging and jabs make me cringe because they're pre-planned and hokey.

[tishaLA]

16. Racial justice is an issue

And you really want to go after her for her personal life while saying stick to the issues?

[Midwestocrat]

23. Racial injustice is incredibly important.

But she was using a personal experience to score political points. Any one of them could have retorted about her past, because SHE brought her past up.

But Biden never praised segregationists. That was distorted bull. She tried to get some mudslinging in off of it. She tried to score votes. Hey that's politics though.

I don't like the mud.

[tishaLA]

27. She was using a personal issue to discuss racial injustice

As VP Biden used his personal tragedies earlier to discuss healthcare.

And you used personal attacks against her because you didn't like that she did what he did

[DURHAM D]

21. Clearly she was over qualified for the job. nt

[tulipsandroses]

94. Funny how much praise she got for going after William Barr

But now members of DU are mad when she shines the light on Biden. Too funny

[pnwmom]

22. Whoa. You're the one slinging mud. She was being honest about her childhood experience. n/t

[Midwestocrat]

26. No, I was simply saying mud could have been slung back.

But no one did.

With Swalwell's and Harris' brief jabs, I just shift uncomfortably.

[StarfishSaver]

38. Talking about racial justice from a personal and professional perspective isn't "mudslinging"

and it's not a jab.

And racial justice is an "issue" and it is "substance."

There's little more annoying that black people being told when and how we can talk about racial issues.

[Thekaspervote]

65. Thank you!!

[Lordquinton]

105. Speaking of things that are not a good look

Implying she's on the debate stage because she slept her way there? Not a good look.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

117. What about all the disadvantages Kamala faced and overcame?!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. That exchange will be the clip of the night nt

[ecstatic]

24. I'm going to look into the issue. I know there was a busing program

in my county in the 90s, I have no idea if it's still in place. It was called Majority to Minority program or something like that. I think nowadays, if you're interested in sending your kids to a racially diverse school, you have to move to a racially diverse county. Of course, that's hard to find nowadays.

[StarfishSaver]

45. One of the reasons busing was necessary in the 70s was that neighborhood segregation patterns

were so deeply entrenched and school boards so intent on drawing school district lines in conjunction with those neighborhood segregation patterns in order to maintain school segregation.

If you read the federal cases from that period - such as Milliken v. Bradley - you will get a reading of what was going on at the time.

[ecstatic]

47. I'll check those cases out. Thanks nt

[StarfishSaver]

58. Here are a couple of interesting articles about the case

https://www.michbar.org/file/journal/pdf/pdf4article1911.pdf

In 1954, the United States Supreme Court declared de jure racial segregation in schools illegal in Brown v Board of Education, but
segregation in Detroit’s schools continued to increase. DeWitt Clinton School’s population went from 10 percent black to nearly 100 percent black in the 1960s. Textbooks were out of date and class sizes expanded to as many as 50 students; classes were held in trailers on the schoolyard because the building was falling apart.

“Their situation was typical of what was happening in northern and particularly urban school districts,” said Nathaniel R. Jones, a retired judge from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit and the NAACP’s general counsel from 1969 to 1978. “These children were kept in schools that the Supreme Court said...were unconstitutional.” Bradley and many other African Americans in Detroit believed integrating the city’s schools was the best way to ensure their children an education equal to that of the city’s white students.

To stymie the growing racial polarization of Detroit, four of the Detroit Board of Education’s six members passed an integration and decentralization plan on April 7, 1970. Bomb scares and death threats followed, and a group of whites called Citizens’ Committee for Better Education successfully lobbied to recall all four pro-integration board members ... On August 18, 1970, the national NAACP, under the leadership of General Counsel Nathaniel Jones, filed a case in the Federal District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan ...

In September 1971, Judge Roth found school and housing segregation interdependent and caused by government policies at all levels, and found the Detroit Board and the state responsible for school segregation. On June 14, 1972, the Detroit Board submitted a preliminary proposal for an inter-district remedy, with 53 metropolitan school districts participating in a cross-district busing integration plan

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/lost-chance-for-school-desegregation-led-to-today-s-woes/

He explained that a cross-district bussing plan was necessary because the Detroit Board of Education had promoted school segregation through the drawing of school boundaries, the construction of new schools in the center of segregated neighborhoods (away from district lines that might draw an integrated student population), and the assignment of teachers.

Such policies resulted in inferior education for minority students, Jones said. Schools in minority neighborhoods were so understaffed and overcrowded that the school day was shortened to three hours for some Black students. Since the Detroit school board was under the power of the State Board of Education, the suit demanded that then-Governor William Milliken and the state assume responsibility.

A huge victory was won when a district court ruled the Detroit Board of Education had created and perpetuated school segregation in the city as a result of official policies. Not only did the court order the school board to submit Detroit-only desegregation plans but significantly, it also ordered state officials to submit desegregation plans encompassing 53 communities in the three-county metropolitan area.

However, hopes were soon dashed. At the Supreme Court, the lawsuit lost by a 5-4 vote.

Jones quoted Supreme Court Justice Byron White, one of the dissenters from the majority position, who called the ruling politically driven. “A change of one vote would have altered this nation,” Justice White said. “If the decision had gone the other way public education in this country would be totally different, the landscape of this nation would be different.” Jones also quoted Justice Thurgood Marshall, who also dissented, saying, “The court may think it’s OK to divide our great metropolitan areas up into majority Black and majority white communities, but it’s a decision the country will come to regret.”

[cbelle1039]

39. Busing was by far a very very local issue. Some blacks were against busing.

Joe was meeting the demands of his constituencies. No one in my neighborhood wanted their child bused into territory that they feared was unsafe for them.

[pnwmom]

49. Joe was representing his whole state, not just a district. n/t

[emmaverybo]

108. FORCED busing was the issue, forcing children to integrate themselves in a society that was not

integrated, through transporting them to schools, once located near children’s homes, at a physical remove. How would children be treated, how adjust in strange surroundings, and what if a child became sick or there was a home emergency?

Many asked why not invest more in underserved and underfunded schools to reach educational
equality without mandating that children leave their neighborhoods, that a solution to socio-economic inequalities be artificially induced.

Yes, parents, both white and black, worried about serious conflicts arising between groups and within neighborhoods. And yes, they did. The start of it was rough.

The issue was not in a neat nutshell segregationists vs. anti-segregationists, although that was an issue within a range of concerns in the over-riding issue where many anticipated problems—mandating that children be dislocated from their familiar home and community base to be educated.

[misanthrope]

50. How did anyone not see that coming?

As soon as she uttered the words "I want to talk about a little girl–" I said aloud in my house "–and that little girl was me." It was standard political fare, easy to coming down the pike.

[pnwmom]

54. Yeah, I saw it coming, too. And probably so did the camera person. nt

[wasupaloopa]

51. MSNBC just put up a picture of Kamala as a little girl.

[emulatorloo]

53. She overreached and misrepresented his position

Delete your post

[marylandblue]

57. No she took him down and he had no defense.

This is politics. It doesn't matter if you were taken out if context or didn't mean it. What matters is that you can defend yourself.

[emulatorloo]

62. "It doesn't matter if you are taken out of context"

Sorry, I’m not surrendering to that worldview.

I think it’s wrong when Republicans lie about Democrats.

And I am not cool with Democrats misrepresenting Democrats either.

She wants to get out of single digit polling, she needs to promote herself and her policies. Not misrepresent other Dems who are outpolling her.

I like her a lot, she has plenty of great positive things to talk about.

[marylandblue]

63. Well congratulations on staying strong, I spent too many years fact checking and correcting records

only to realize it's very rare that a fact check or an explanation of context actually matters. People see what they want to see. Even Democrats.

[emulatorloo]

70. That's cool. But Democrats shouldn't stoop to Fox News/Trump levels

Dems don’t need a ‘fat check’, we just need Dems who don’t misrepresent other Democratics.

As I said before, YMMV.

It’s JMHO, which is worth absolutely nothing.

Thanks for the reply, always enjoy reading your posts!

[marylandblue]

72. Thanks. I like your posts too. You are always reasonable.

For a Biden fan.

[emulatorloo]

74. I am fans of all of them! Takes a lot of courage to do what they are doing

[marylandblue]

75. Yes. I think all of them would be good Presidents.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

114. Yeah, it was a devastating blow... but, I do think Joe can recover from this if he

moves quickly to apologize and admit his mistake.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[UniteFightBack]

66. This. You said it much nicer than me..I'm just saying she is flat out lying. nt

[ucrdem]

56. Didn't see it in the replay.

Are you sure you didn't imagine it?

[pnwmom]

59. Right. I imagined it along with a whole lot of other people. n/t

[pnwmom]

85. Watch him suddenly swing his head toward her when she says, "And that little girl was me."

Link to tweet

[AlexSFCA]

61. I'm surprised we're even debating this. Look what Biden obsession is doing to us

Busing was the right AND necessary thing to do, full period. Harris just proved it once and for all. But yes let’s have old white dude raceplaining otherwise to Kamala and black voters.

[emulatorloo]

73. I don't think you know the history of busing and how controversial it was w AA community

and left-liberals. Many unintended consequences that no one expected.

[AlexSFCA]

76. will be interesting to see as the media starts educating the public

and play out debates among experts and historians. It certainly opened up a new area not well covered previously in this format. I haven’t lived through that era so looking forward learning more in the coming weeks from black folks who experienced it first hand.

[emulatorloo]

79. ...

It’s going to be a very interesting primary. I like all of them!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

115. Certainly not a good look!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Still In Wisconsin]

78. I think Senator Harris ended Biden tonight.

Like it or not, she dealt him what I expect was a mortal blow.

[emulatorloo]

81. I think she did herself no favors. Overreached and misrepresented

It is cool that we can have different opinions and reactions on DU. Really like Senator Harris, I think this may backfire, Would love to hear her focus on her strengths rather than hear her misrepresent other Dems.

[Still In Wisconsin]

82. I like Harris too. And, as you can see, I like Joe Biden a whole lot.

Also, I am not at all saying that Harris will win the nomination. But I DO think she effectively eliminated Joe Biden. She hit him- hard- and that's politics. But he had no functional response. He's toast. If not herself, maybe what she did was really help out Warren, Booker, or Mayor Pete.

But yeah, she ended Biden.

[AlexSFCA]

89. possibly

Honestly, it was so unexpected. I think Biden did not see it coming from her. I think Kamala just reclaimed black primary voters support from biden - and I will be curious to see the polling in the upcoming weeks. I love Biden but I was literally shocked that he was trying to defend state and local rights when it comes to race. Forget about busing but the notion that it is ok for states to regulate race is shocking coming from a democrat in 2019. Those are precisely the rights that federal government is supposed to protect, it’s not up to local governments to decide on civil liberties. Kamala proved to me tonight that she is gonna play hardball and she is in this primary race for only one purpose - to win the nomination as the first black female to become president. If you think Obama energized electorate in 2008, wait till you see Kamala in 2020 - we’ll be drunk from enthusiasm.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

118. I'm not ready to go that far, but Kamala certainly put a hurtin on ole Joe.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[JI7]

91. I just saw this clip and i thought he looked Empathetic

certainly not in shock.

[Skya Rhen]

92. Agreed...

[applegrove]

104. I thought it was compassion too. He was not looking at her and then he did when she said

it was him. Say what you will about him as a politician these days, he is a compassionate guy.

[Pachamama]

107. That was a look of empathy from Biden...I am very disappointed that Harris decided to attack Biden

...on stage at the debates like this to make her point about racism in America.

As a supporter of Harris, and also someone who has been since early January proposing a Harris/Biden or Biden/Harris ticket to be the only ONE that will be able to beat Trump and win, I feel she made a huge mistake.

This may have won her some support in the black community, but Biden is very popular among women, whites and blacks alike and also especially among the older generation and republicans and moderates, and blue collar workers (a lot of whom are white) and she did herself no favor there and may have lost support of those voters if they have to choose between her and Biden. Honestly - if she wanted to take anyone out on stage tonight, she should have been taking on Sanders in this debate not Biden. She should have kept her focus on Trump and saying what she would do as President, particularly against his racist policies and stances.

I believe that her shot at being the eventual nominee has actually now gone down because of that. I believe Biden will be the nominee for all the reasons I just stated and she at least WAS his top choice as a VP running mate. That may have just disappeared. Wrong move for Harris.

I think that Biden will recover from this. I have believed that Biden and Harris working together will be the way to heal America's wounds of racism. Maybe Biden can figure out how to take what she said and still do that with her.

I am really disappointed in Harris on how she did this. Trump is the only one happy about it. And I am pretty certain Obama isn't supportive of what she did in going after Biden.

[emmaverybo]

111. I agree with everything you have said and think it must have been hard to say. I have always

greatly admired Kamala Harris. I just feel disappointed—you used that word, and I find it describes
a certain sadness I feel right now.

[Hoyt]

119. Will be interesting to hear John Lewis and Clyburn on the busing aspect.

I know they had his back on the working with Dixiecrats comments. I do think taken in isolation that comment was misconstrued, but you can’t take it in isolation and Biden could have avoided the whole mess by merely saying, “I even managed to work with with vile segregationists — like that POS Eastland — to get meaningful legislation enacted.”

Personally, those opposing busing where I grew up were supporting separate, and unequal/inferior, schools for Black kids. That is what Harris was referring to.

And they often expressed that opposition in front of confederate flags and/or screaming white wingers.

I don’t think Biden is a racist, he’s done too much good.

But very disappointed to learn he opposed busing — the threat of which likely helped improve minority schools and provided Harris a better education — and supported that states right BS.

With that said, when my primary comes in March, I’ll vote for Biden if I think he still is the favorite to beat the real racist threat to us today, trump. Right now, I’m not convinced he’s that favorite.