Does Harris have a plan to take down Warren?

[redstateblues]

Currently she trails Warren by a significant margin. If she wants to be President she will have to pass Warren. I don’t think she is going to settle for VP. Honestly, I think Harris would be a better fit than Warren for POTUS

[True Dough]

1. We'll find out soon enough

For now, all we know for sure is Harris had a damaging exchange with Joe Biden.

[Cha]

50. Damaging to whom? Sure the pundits are drilling down and

DU.. but if she did it to get more POC voters it doesn't seem to be working, so far..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Biden lands 2020 endorsement from Atlanta Mayor Bottoms

"The larger context was that you have to work across the aisle with people you don't like, people you don't agree with," Bottoms said. "I do it each and every day as mayor of Atlanta in a red state."

Bottoms added that Biden's work on civil rights issues and his progressive resume demonstrate his commitment and that the remarks were blown out of proportion.

"My position is, if his explanation was good enough for John Lewis, then it's good enough for me," Bottoms added, referring to the Georgia congressman and civil rights icon who was among Biden's defenders after the controversy.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/biden-nabs-2020-endorsement-atlanta-mayor-bottoms-64012750

We'll see how this pans out..

[John Fante]

2. Maybe.

Does Warren have any quotes that Harris can take out of context?

[RHMerriman]

5. Undoubtedly ...

Probably some very "hurtful" ones that the tough as nails ex-prosecutor (TM) can get emotional about on national television.

[stopbush]

30. Joe needs to forget the idea that he is going to handed the nomination.

He’s lucky Harris went after him this early in the process. He has time to adjust and get serious. His staff admitted he didn’t prepare well for that debate.

Harris this time, someone else the next time. Joe has enough baggage to fuel any number of attacks. He’s going to have to do better than “I don’t blame the NRA.”

[RHMerriman]

33. That's neither here nor there ... TRUMP sure as hell isn't going to

That's neither here nor there, however ...

TRUMP sure as hell isn't going to attack Biden over his position on court-ordered busing in the 1970s, or whether Biden could grin and bear it to get racist southern good ol' boys to vote for something decent, however begrudgingly, in the same decade...

And then the quavering emotional bullshit. On national fucking television. Christ...

I don't want to hear from Democrats emoting about how they feel my fucking pain; I want them to tell me how they'e going to inflict some pain on the goddamned treasonous Republicans and the billionaires who bankroll them...

Restoring some normalcy to American politics after the delusional shitbird is driven from office would be nice, as well.

[stopbush]

38. If you think tRump will hold back in his attacks on Joe

you are sadly mistaken.

[RHMerriman]

42. Trump ain't going to attack him about busing legislation from the 1970s...

Trump ain't going to attack him about busing legislation from the 1970s...

The senator is quite the Blue Falcon, I'll give her that.

[marylandblue]

3. Harris seems like a strategic thinker, so I am sure she does have a plan.

I think Warren has a counter plan and I suspect it involves sticking to her message and avoiding direct confrontation.

[crazytown]

7. Elizabeth announced first, had staff in Iowa first,

has more staff there and elsewhere now, has done more town halls in more places, than anyone else, has more substantive policies and a wider brains trust than anyone else. ... the plan is simple - dream big, fight hard ... and win.

[dawg day]

15. Something Biden could learn from....

[crazytown]

4. Harris needs the AA vote in SC and beyond.

Elizabeth will not be her primary focus.

[BeyondGeography]

6. Maybe, if she wants to be known as President Takedown Artist

The better route for her in the next few months IMO would be to tell people who she is and why she’s running. I think many people see her potential, but there are still a lot of gaps in her presentation. Her rather scattered answer on the first thing she would do as President the other night, eg.

[Siwsan]

8. I hope her plan is to run on her own merits

And not on the perceived, actual, created or imaginary flaws of any of the other candidates.

[Cha]

51. Thank You, Siwsan!

[HopeAgain]

9. ...if you're not very progressive.

FIFY

[watoos]

10. Bennet ate Joe's lunch too

why is no one here attacking Bennet?

[dawg day]

16. And Swallwell-- he used Biden's old quote about passing the torch.

That was certainly prepared and calculated, which I have no problem with-- I want candidates to prepare!

But Harris is getting all the flak. Can't think why. <G>

I'll be generous and say it's because she's a contender, and the MEN who went after Biden aren't.

[emmaverybo]

29. We have commented on that. Neither became an overnight star or went to the place Harris did.

She had an extended turn as she tried to undermine Biden with black supporters she herself needs. She also misrepresented herself as benefitting from Federally forced busing, when she was voluntarily bused under s locally implemented program.

[Bucky]

26. Cause we're Democrats. We punch up, not down

[Andy823]

35. Because

the Biden crowd are not afraid of Bennet Swallwell, but they do seem to be afraid of Harris. I just don't understand all the hate be spewed here toward Harris. I know a lot of trolls have shown up to stir things up and try and divide DU, but like you, and others have stated, Harris wasn't the only on going after Biden.

One thing for sure, others will go after him in the next debate, so he had better be ready.

[Blue_true]

46. Harris is also a woman.

That seems to bring out an extra dose of venom when the woman shows sharp elbows. Two guys showing sharp elbows, to some it's a big, Meh?

[Cha]

53. No.. No Fear.. Not "afraid"..and neither is Joe Biden..

Link to tweet

[Andy823]

56. I really like Joe

And he is a stand up guy, and what he tweeted proves that. I am not upset with him, but after reading some of the things said by those who claim to be supporting Biden, I am reminded of what happened to Hillary in 2016 when the trolls and bros came here and started attacking her for every thing she said or did that was bad for Bernie.

Now I honestly think that what is happening now is that the trolls are back trying get people here mad at each other and to divide DU, just like in 2016. Remember how back then according to the trolls, Bernie was the ONLY ONE that could beat trump. Now I see the same thing coming from those who say they support Biden. It's not all those who support Biden, but in the last week it seems like a flood of negative post are going around by new low count posters, trying to stir things up. I think they are here to cause problems, one way or another.

When O'Malley dropped out I decided to go with Hillary, and one of the reason was that I was upset with the way the bros were going after her for no real reason at a all. I posted many times that what they said reflected on Bernie, and I think some here are doing the same thing, attacking other candidates, and making Biden look bad at the same time. I also think a lot of good people are getting caught up in the heat of moment and that helps the trouble makers.

The trolls and trouble makers are the ones afraid of Harris a lot of them have made the claim to be supporting Biden. I will gladly vote for Joe if he is the nominee, as I will for any other Democrat who may become the nominee.

[redstateblues]

63. Bennett is a Johnny come lately with no chance. I like him but let's get real

[Merlot]

11. Does Harris have a plan to confront Warren on something she said?

If Warren were to say complimentary and obtuse things about segregationists, possibly. My guess is Warren won't say anything of the sort.

Biden created that opening, Harris just took it.

Harris would also have to pass Sanders and Buttigeige, funny how they aren't mentioned in the hypothetical "take down" that Harris is supposedly plotting.

[Bucky]

25. "a prince should be loved and feared, but being feared is preferable"

Machiavelli

Harris doesn't need to do any more "take downs" -- she's showed her game. But we already kind of knew that about her.

Warren is the one who needs to show she can go cut throat. Being prepared to handle the office just isn't relevant to the skills set one needs to get elected.

[emmaverybo]

32. Biden did not compliment segregationists. He referenced civility between people with opposing views

to “get the job done.” Both Booker and Harris continue to perpetuate a falsehood to advance themselves.

[Cha]

54. Ikr.. Tac-ky. Biden was pointing out

how he worked with them to get their vote on Equal Rights, right?

Thanks, emmaverybo!

[snowybirdie]

12. Take down?

Forceful language. What's happened to Democratic civility?

[redstateblues]

61. That went out the window Friday

[tulipsandroses]

13. I don't think she needs one

She established herself as a fighter - People can see her going up against Trump

She has gained some support with women, young blacks. She will work to build momentum

Its early. I think people have too much hysteria after 1 debate.

[tishaLA]

14. Warren vs Biden will be the next debate

If they're on stage together. And Sen Warren will talk about the bankruptcy bill, among other things.

[dawg day]

17. Will the next debate line-up be determined like this one, do you know?

Presumably a few will have dropped out, but will there be an "upper card" this time? (I'm not for that-- I'd just like fewer people on the stage at a time.)

[tishaLA]

19. I'm not sure. I don't think they've announced it

The criteria to get into the debate is the same as the one this past week, which means anyone who qualified for it will also qualify for July, but others might also qualify

[Panacea-monger]

55. Still 20 I believe

The criteria are the same, but that doesn't mean anyone who qualified for the last one will qualify for this one. If less than 20 have met the funding criterion, those who haven't can lose their spots to higher-polling candidates; if more than 20 have met the funding criterion, only the 20 highest polling get in. For example, Swalwell will likely lose his spot to Bullock.

[JI7]

21. line up is usually based on where they are in polls

if Biden is still leading he will be middle with those closest next to him and on and on .

[redstateblues]

20. Didn't Warren vote for Reagan?

[JI7]

22. that was before she was involved in politics

[tishaLA]

24. I don't know. If she did, I'm sure she can talk about her political evolution

I've heard her talk about it previously and she's very effective talking about how her scholarly work led her from being essentially apolitical to where she is today. Like many people, she has evolved and, to her credit, is more than happy to tell the story and talk about how she has been wrong in her past.

[redstateblues]

64. So Warren can evolve but Biden can't? Got it

[tishaLA]

66. Sure he can. Did he say he changed his mind about how civil folks

who called for the genocide of black folks ("When in the course of human events it becomes necessary to abolish the Negro race, proper methods should be used. Among these are guns, bows and arrows, slingshots and knives&quot are? If he has, I applaud him.

[donkeypoofed]

18. Why would she wanna take down her future running mate?

A Harris/Warren ticket would be awesome. And if some people are nervous of voting for 2 women, just look at the alternative (Spanky) and just pull up their big boy pants and come into the 21st century with the rest of us.

[JI7]

23. becsuse she would rather be top than bottom of ticket

[Bucky]

27. Agreed. Harris is in danger of positioning herself for VP

She's got to be known as more than just just a strong debater and attack dog. That's exactly what you want on the bottom of the ticket.

[customerserviceguy]

59. She's going for the jugular

and will do whatever damage she has to when confronting those in her way.

[redstateblues]

43. Boom

There is no warm and fuzzy between the candidates

[quickesst]

28. This might work again

Maybe she can find something to accuse Warren of without having any proof whatsoever, and rely on the MSM, or anyone else not to call her out on it. Laying the groundwork.


"Praising and coddling individuals who made it their life work and built their reputation off of segregation of the racists in the United States. That’s a problem. I would not be a member of the United States Senate if those men that he praised had their way. I wouldn’t." Kamala Harris

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

31. I'm not sure that whether...

...or not Warren opposed a federal busing law. Biden did. Bernie did as well. After all, that is the real issue here, right? Candidates should be able to "take down" other candidates based on solid, empirical evidence, right?

[emmaverybo]

34. Harris misrepresented herself as an example of federally forced busing. She was Voluntarily

bused through a locally implemented program. Berkley is and has been way before Harris was born
one one of the most politically, socially, culturally liberal towns in America. It’s diverse population
does not live in segregated neighborhoods.
Actually it is known for its support of radicals of all persuasions.
It is the home of the University of California at Berkley which goes back to over a hundred years and for many decades has been an institution for diversity.

Harris is trying to disconnect herself from that sort of tradition to make a connection with
voters she needs in places like South Carolina where black Americans lived in segregationist
times. She is not going to want to associate herself with a town actively supporting civil rights, home of the free speech movement, with an educated, often highly, middle class and upper middle class black population well represented in numbers and influence.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

36. Fact Check:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/28/politics/fact-check-kamala-harris-busing-in-berkeley/index.html


According to CNN, Harris is telling the truth about her busing story. According to his documented voting record, Harris is also telling the truth about Biden opposing the Federal law for busing. Biden also admits that.

To me, Harris' role in this situation is minutiae compared to Biden's vote.

[emmaverybo]

40. The busing program under which she was bused, in contrast .to the law Biden voted against, was

not under federal mandate. I know she is not lying about being bused. The school board, according to the article, unanimously voted to implement a busing program to desegregate
schools.
Biden did not vote for a ban on such programs, or against such state or locally implemented desegregation plans.
In his answer to Harris, he mentions the authority of local school boards to do exactly
what was done in Berkley,

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

41. We are agreeing.

I'm stating that the real issue is that Biden voted against it being a federal law.

You and I apparently disagree that this is one of the civil rights laws that the states should have decided. Growing up in the south, I know for a fact that rural parts of Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee would never have mandated this.

Regardless of how liberal her hometown is, it still had the right to reverse the busing decision on the local level.

[emmaverybo]

44. And I applaud that! I am quite familiar with Berkley and with many African-American

students from there. It is an enlightened area, but that does not mean its schools did not to
be integrated.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

45. That is not what the argument is.

Any Black woman in America will tell you that even Berkley's city council can turn against her. Whether it's watching your own son being choked to death by cops and the cops being found not guilty or being a little girl with perfect scores being denied certain honors, there is no "sure thing" for Black women.

Though even federal laws can be reversed, Kamala was pressing Joe on voting against a federal civil rights issue - the one thing the Black people have been able to rely on in the United States.

[emmaverybo]

47. But she used herself as an example of a black child who would not have been able to attend a better

and integrated school had the federal law to mandate busing not passed.

She tied her personal story to Joe’e vote when, in fact, she was bused under local school board authority and the program was implemented locally.
He told her “well you could have been bused through local authority,”
.
She was.

It was, using herself as an example, a powerful way to try to take down Biden for his vote against
Federally forced busing.

But she was not an example of anything to do with Biden’s vote.

[emmaverybo]

48. She lived in Berkley! They did not rescind their vote to integrate schools. And her story had been

nothing to do with police brutality. Joe has been supporting civil rights and women’s rights for many decades.
Her beef with him on his vote against federal busing should not have featured her as a poster girl
for it.
Why didn’t she use the example of someone else bused under the federal busing law?

This was more theatrical, but a misrepresentation of fact. Have no complaint against her bringing
up his vote from decades ago and letting him explain it.

Manipulative stories in which one is the star, no.

[Princetonian]

37. That's not the first time Harris deliberately misrepresented herself.

She lied in an interview with Jake Tapper about a truancy law she sponsored:
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/05/kamala-harris-spins-facts-on-truancy-law

[emmaverybo]

49. Bad call, very. So many single working parents who can not force their kids to attend schools

where they may be bullied, shot, beaten or are just bored out of their minds. And many kids have emotional problems, addiction issues. These parents needed support services, not punishment.

[Hoyt]

39. I hope so, if Warren keeps pushing her America First, "Economic Patriotism" junk.

[Mike Nelson]

52. a plan to take down Warren?

… I would bet on it...

[customerserviceguy]

60. Same here

Liz Warren looked pretty good on Wednesday, polls from next week will probably show that. There will be a target on her back at that time.

[redstateblues]

65. Warren was at the kids table. Let's face it

[Beartracks]

57. I'd rather she gain her own momentum, not "take down" fellow Dems. Besides...

... they should all save their takedown efforts for Trump and his apologist Republicans.

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[customerserviceguy]

58. The news media

certainly hopes so. And they hope Warren fights back, too. They've never covered a major debate where two women went at it against each other on a stage. Faux Snooze will be eager to label it a "catfight", and they will run a picture of each of them superimposed over the fountain at the Blake Carrington estate from "Dynasty".

[IluvPitties]

62. Probably, but she seems to want to kneecap Joe first.

[Mike Nelson]

67. Folks...

… these are politicians. They want to win the nomination... If Biden wins the nomination and thinks Harris will help him, he will call her and ask her to be his running mate. She will accept. And, we will vote them into office.