Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumCNN Poll - Biden 43%; Sanders 13%; Harris 12% ** Best Chance to Beat Trump **
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/2020-democratic-candidates-poll/index.htmlCf Paragraph 11
Also was reported live on CNN
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibFarmer
(772 posts)The cheap shot at the debate gave Biden far more exposure and people understood it to be a cheap shot.
This took away exposure from all other candidates. Well done Senator Harris.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(32,396 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibFarmer
(772 posts)It was deceitful involving mischaracterization of what Biden said.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(50,602 posts)...assuming that Biden gets the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zambero
(9,560 posts)However, the circular firing squad approach is not helpful in a Democratic debate. Particularly during these times when so much is at stake for 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
progressoid
(50,602 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onetexan
(13,755 posts)anymore. I'd like her to be Joe's VP choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FakeNoose
(35,227 posts)Even Uncle Joe understands (I think.) He's giving her a pass and so should we.
But it had better not happen again, we won't be so charitable next time.
I want her to run on Biden's ticket too. I think they'd be dynamite together.
People forget that Kamala is only in her first term as a Senator. She doesn't know all the ins and outs of national politicking, but she's learning fast.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,755 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It was a calculated move, complete with pic of her as a child ready to go. It worked. So gotta hand it to her for getting her numbers up. Whether it was enough, who knows. But if it worked once, she will do it again. Except others now know to expect that, so they'll be more prepared.
She did mischaracterize his past actions and work and stance on busing. So in that sense, it was disingenuous of her and not quite on the up and up. IMO.
So she didn't make a mistake. It was a planned attempt at making some time, and she succeeded. She's an adept prosecutor and I think an experienced debater.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(70,800 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(29,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zambero
(9,560 posts)Instead, Harris might have considered using the "I KNOW you are not..." phrase instead. That would have put the rest of her words in a much better context. As it was, her choice of words implied that perhaps she could be wrong. Biden certainly did not expect to hear this sort of thing, and he didn't deserve it either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,147 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,341 posts)One has to wonder...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(32,396 posts)and all he had to do was admit his position on busing was wrong and he would have been applauded
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Butterflylady
(3,925 posts)I think not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UncleTomsEvilBrother
(954 posts)...and, frankly, that can end up being the biggest turnoff of DEM voters. It's not going to be good for Biden if the situation be left as "cheap shot." If people continue to bring it up, we're going to have to confront the fact that he voted against a civil rights law in favor of state's rights.
Should the Biden camp counter attack? Yes, this is politics. This primary race is a long one, but it's not long enough for revisionist history, though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,420 posts)This might not be the poll you think it is.
The actual voter preference poll for the 2020 Nominee is here:
CNN Poll: Harris and Warren rise and Biden slides after first Democratic debates
By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Sens. Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren have made steep gains after the first Democratic presidential debate, a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. shows, with former Vice President Joe Biden's lead over the field shrinking to a narrow 5 points.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/2020-democratic-candidates-poll/index.html
But again, it's early. Early polls are no guarantee who the eventual nominee will be.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,147 posts)once you get known for it, you get known as a prima Donna. You may find yourself missing out on
future roles while other performers develop strategies to counter your cheap trick.
Better be a big star with a big following and in much demand to repeatedly get away with this old move.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(105,775 posts)and here is what i find online:
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/democratic-primary-poll-july-2019/index.html
Biden scored 22% (down from 32% in May). while California Sen. Kamala Harris has jumped into second place at 17% (up from 8%).
That said, I really think these are fairly meaningless right now..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(105,775 posts)Overall, 43% of potential Democratic voters say Biden has the best chance to beat Trump in 2020, 30 points ahead of his nearest competitor, Bernie Sanders. Further, 6 in 10 potential Democratic voters say it is more important to them that the party nominate a candidate with a strong chance of beating Trump than it is that they nominate someone who shares their views on major issues.
(From the same CNN poll)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/2020-democratic-candidates-poll/index.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,289 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)Candidate A could have 50% (or more) think s/he could have the best chance to win versus Candidate C (in the general)
but if Candidate B (who has less people picking them as 'best to beat Candidate C' than Canidate A's %) gets more votes in the primary and wins the nomination
Candidate A's 50% in the 'most likely to win category' is utterly irrelevant
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)If other polls show Biden's lead shrinking, it undercuts his electability argument. If Warren and Harris outperform Biden again in the next debate, they will start to look like stronger opponents against Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Sens. Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren have made steep gains after the first Democratic presidential debate, a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. shows, with former Vice President Joe Bidens lead over the field shrinking to a narrow 5 points.
The results indicate a significant tightening in the race for the Democratic nomination.
The poll, conducted after the two-night debate, finds 22% of registered voters who are Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents backing Biden for the partys presidential nomination, 17% Harris, 15% Warren and 14% Sen. Bernie Sanders. No one else in the 23-person field tested hits 5%.
That represents a 10-point decline in support for Biden since the last CNN poll in May, while Harris, of California, has posted a 9-point increase, and Warren, of Massachusetts, has boosted her support by 8 points. No other candidates have seen significant movement since the last poll
Full poll results: http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/07/01/rel8a.-.democrats.and.healthcare.pdf
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)43% is the measure of who people think has the best chance of beating Trump.
IOW, the question isn't "who would you vote for" but more like "how do you predict other people will vote."
The same poll says that 22% of the respondents would actually vote for Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Butterflylady
(3,925 posts)Now let me get this right. 43% think that Biden has the best chance to beat the anal idiot but only 22% would vote for him. Why would you not vote for Biden if you thought he had the best chance of beating the anal idiot. The only thing I can think of is repugs were included in the poll.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Since my vote is only one among millions, I can safely vote for my favorite candidate, knowing that everyone else will pick the guy who will win anyway.
But it's a big psychout because if enough people vote for the "unelectable" candidate, you can get a surprise victory. On the other hand, if people go with the "electable" candidate over their actual preference, you can have a candidate nobody actually likes winning the primary and losing the general.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)43% of those polled think Biden has the best chance of beating Trump.
Only 22% of those polled actually intend to vote for Biden in the primary, as things stand today.
So presumably, they think that their candidate of choice can also beat Trump.
If you feel that any of a number of candidates are likely to beat him, you might as well vote for who you really like best, right?
It works the other way, too. I did a poll at https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287165957 , 32 Biden supporters answered, and only 7 of them said they would absolutely switch to another candidate if the polls started showing that some other candidate was stronger against Trump than Biden would be.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluewater
(5,420 posts)this is NOT the voter preference poll for the 2020 Democratic Nominee.
This one is:
CNN Poll: Harris and Warren rise and Biden slides after first Democratic debates
By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Updated 4:13 PM ET, Mon July 1, 2019
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/2020-democratic-candidates-poll/index.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluewater
(5,420 posts)That one gives Biden a +5 lead
CNN Poll: Harris and Warren rise and Biden slides after first Democratic debates
Sens. Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren have made steep gains after the first Democratic presidential debate, a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. shows, with former Vice President Joe Biden's lead over the field shrinking to a narrow 5 points.
The results indicate a significant tightening in the race for the Democratic nomination.
The poll, conducted after the two-night debate, finds 22% of registered voters who are Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents backing Biden for the party's presidential nomination, 17% Harris, 15% Warren and 14% Sen. Bernie Sanders. No one else in the 23-person field tested hits 5%.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/2020-democratic-candidates-poll/index.html
But again, it's early. Early polls are no guarantee who will be the eventual nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(19,803 posts)This thread is causing confusion. Thanks for clarifying!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)(Or sometimes posters don't include them!)
43% think Biden has the best chance of beating Trump.
Only 22% of them at this point actually intend to vote for Biden in the primary.
Presumably, they think that their candidate of choice can also beat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(19,803 posts)Biden's name recognition is still carrying him. But we've only been through two separate debates featuring 20 candidates. Still plenty of time for Americans who only follow politics casually to become familiar with some of the up-and-comers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Buttigieg had a pretty good night, without any blowback potential from the way he handled it.
And Beto was a big loser.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(19,803 posts)issue and the recent shooting.
He's inserting himself at the center of that controversy and vowing to improve relations and provide even greater accountability. It's a monumental task and, unfortunately, one that could cost him his shot at the presidency in 2020 if he doesn't handle it right or if time/further circumstances are not on his side.
If that's the case, I'll be rooting for Mayor Pete in 2024!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Pete did not attack anybody, and he got a chance to show his intellect and compassion before a large audience. He showed an abundance of humility that many are not used to seeing from politicians.
Oh, and you mean 2028, right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(19,803 posts)just that I can't fathom why anyone would take Pete to task over his handling of what's transpired to far.
"I couldn't get it done."
Those are powerful words of accountability, a rare occurrence with politicians.
And I meant 2024. If Biden does get the nomination (I'm not ready to concede that yet, at all), then he may not be able to fulfill two terms. We'll see.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)gets elected president next year, that he will have a VP that will be ready for the job in either 2024 or 2028, that person will have a clear advantage over anyone else in the field. If Biden has not picked a candidate of that caliber, then he may very well not win in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(19,803 posts)I believe it!
That's if Pete doesn't pull off the unexpected POTUS upset next year. Don't rule it out!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(34,289 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)number, the 'who would you vote for' category
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/2020-democratic-candidates-poll/index.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)Overall, 43% of potential Democratic voters say Biden has the best chance to beat Trump in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)it very likely could be seen or read as
being an add-on 'see I told you so' declarative intensifier
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)the money shot would be this
Harris plus 19 points net gain on Biden from the last poll
it is one poll, long way to go
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)Except for LBN, all DU forums are for editorializing. He highlighted what he felt was the most important part of the poll. If you feel mislead or slighted, that's your issue to deal with.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)Do you deny the article states that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)I do take umbrage with the bury the lede attempt via a misleading and/or unclear titling.
I have seen posters in other threads who thought that MAIN number (ie. who would you vote for today) was Biden at 43% and Harris 31 points behind at 12% for the MAIN number (ie. who would you actually vote for) based off this OP. In reality she is only 5 points behind Biden in the all important main question of who they would VOTE FOR.
This OP should have said specifically that those results were to a very specific down-line question, not just toss up the numbers
CNN Poll - Biden 43%; Sanders 13%; Harris 12%
and then obliquely toss on
which simply seems like a declarative intensifier (ie editorialising or cheer-leading) that is all so common on this board.
It confused people, it muddied the water, and that is the whole point of my posts on this subject.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)presented. It is a good number for Biden, versus the bad main one.
Data is data, it is a real as anything that can be numerically extrapolated from a set of questions asked to a set of people.
If only our actual votes were as reliably tabulated. I do NOT trust the Rethugs and their foreign helpers to allow a fair count, AND for damn sure I think they will try (and probably succeed, unfortunately) at suppressing millions of potential votes for us via false purging, poll tax-like games (FL felon shite) Voter ID games, caging etc etc etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)I have zero issues with the owners/admins either.
done here
all I am doing now is inadvertently kicking this thread
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)See if the admins agree.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)That being the only real complaint with the piece, though creatively implied as though it's not on you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,722 posts)Plus said "verbiage" is in paragraph 13 of the article.
I did not see a specific number for Buttigieg but it is under 5%, as CNN has reported.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)its right there in the poll which you are trying to spin off, he unfortunately dropped a point (probably to do with the shooting nigtmare)
if Pete falters, I am 90% probably sliding over to Harris btw
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,722 posts)If you take a minute to look at the CNN video that I posted, you would see the heading, too.
Now I see Buttigieg's 4% - thanks for this...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(37,873 posts)I drew some ire when I wrote an OP, provided excerpts and a link to the article, but wrote my own headline.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287151065
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)I've been here for for 17 years and only occasionally do people get rankled over a DUer editorializing an article. But it is what a discussion forum is for.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(37,873 posts)Because I didn't use the actual headline.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)Fuck off. Except for LBN, DU forums are one big editorial page.
Someone may disagree with your conclusions, but they can't say your technique is a foul.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(37,873 posts)LOL!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riverine
(516 posts)and that is what I care most about.
Biden it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,289 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(32,396 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustThinking...
(91 posts)Sorry for the snark, still bitter over 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(95,621 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Curky
(45 posts)In this poll.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(69,403 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Curky
(45 posts)I'm a Biden supporter and I'm happy about the CNN poll, but I admit that pollsters often differ, sometimes significantly from each other.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(69,403 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)and using verbiage that intentionally makes it unclear.
Harris gained a net plus 19 on Biden poll to poll in terms of who people say they will vote for
the OP is referencing a part of the poll that asks who people think will have the best chance in the general
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,289 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,152 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
colsohlibgal
(5,276 posts)Some polls show one thing, others show something different. Results in the primaries are what matters.
I expect it to be a horse race.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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iluvtennis
(20,685 posts)a Biden-Warren ticket.
(pic from late last year/early this year)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(70,800 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
iluvtennis
(20,685 posts)to the ticket.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(70,800 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(70,800 posts)race and for the GA senate race as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(23,584 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BigmanPigman
(52,138 posts)won 74% over "policy" when choosing a primary candidiate.
"When choosing a Dem Primary Candidate do you vote based on the candidates' policies or their ability to beat tRump/GOP?"
Policy. 9 (16%)
Defeat tRump. 42 (74%)
Personality. 0 (0%)
Other. 6 (11%)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,289 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BigmanPigman
(52,138 posts)be if it were up longer. It should have been posted under the "Primaries Forum". I am sure the number to beat tRump still would have been the highest by far. "Policy" is far behind which is interesting since we all focus on Policy during the entire campaign. The moron has changed Dem voters' priorities, I think.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(37,873 posts)Heck, a number of our candidates can do it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shenmue
(38,534 posts)https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/01/harris-warren-debate-poll-1392964
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,435 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,420 posts)The long term trend is what it is.
People in denial today will have to face the reality that Biden will not be the nominee in their own time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)Primary polls don't show this at all but as Nov. 2020 looms closer and the talking heads have moved on from last week's blood sport reality will begin to sink in. Neither Warren or Harris can win the GE without a lot of walking back on this and other strategic positions and that's what they'll get nailed on if they get that far. Joe doesn't have that problem but now he's got to step over Kamala and Cory to get to the GE. That's unfortunate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(51,897 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden