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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:30 PM Jul 2019

Has Bernie's Window Closed?


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If I were to vote in a presidential
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Has Bernie's Window Closed? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2019 OP
I think it's too early to be asking this. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Jul 2019 #3
It would be great if DownriverDem Jul 2019 #22
He's polling in the top 4, so it's too early to conclude that. Liberty Belle Jul 2019 #2
It's not just his polling position... brooklynite Jul 2019 #4
Sanders is still doing better than any other candidate except Biden in the polls of who could beat highplainsdem Jul 2019 #9
But the polling of who you would vote for shows that people don't care... brooklynite Jul 2019 #12
And the A-rated Fox News poll out four days ago had Sanders in SECOND place. highplainsdem Jul 2019 #17
Because he polls SECOND (behind Biden) in beating Trump... thesquanderer Jul 2019 #20
Harris lost a lot of people today with her health plan that mostly benefits insurers. Liberty Belle Jul 2019 #29
I just want a DownriverDem Jul 2019 #23
If Bernie's window has closed so has the window of the other candidates polling below him. jalan48 Jul 2019 #5
the difference is those below him are unknown to many JI7 Jul 2019 #14
That is true. We should have a better idea by early next year when some candidates have dropped out. jalan48 Jul 2019 #15
We can't wait to vote for Bernie again!! nt RandiFan1290 Jul 2019 #6
Who is "We"? sheshe2 Jul 2019 #27
"We's can't wait we can't""shut up we's can wait""no, no we's can't defacto7 Jul 2019 #28
Our family RandiFan1290 Jul 2019 #31
Have you read three faces of Eve? nt NYMinute Jul 2019 #35
+1 Go Vols Jul 2019 #38
No more than anyone else at the top of the ranks right now. N/t TCJ70 Jul 2019 #7
Don Meredith used to sing a song about this on Monday Night Football many years ago. George II Jul 2019 #8
No. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #10
Before the second debate out of 14 scheduled held in mid summer 2019? No Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #11
A well known candidate has never risen NYMinute Jul 2019 #36
I know he was a Republican, but John McCain did Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #37
Yes Tribalceltic Jul 2019 #13
Is this a serious question? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2019 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2019 #33
"Is this a serious question?" DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2019 #34
From my twitter feed Gothmog Jul 2019 #18
The dialog has moved left, and Bernie is no longer alone. PatrickforO Jul 2019 #19
Hopefully... handmade34 Jul 2019 #21
Closed, locked, storm shutters installed. betsuni Jul 2019 #24
It was never open... SidDithers Jul 2019 #25
+1 BootinUp Jul 2019 #26
The window was never fully open Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #30
Look, in '16 Bernie was a breath of fresh air to many. Hillary was "the anointed" and there was... TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #32
 

highplainsdem

(48,886 posts)
1. I think it's too early to be asking this.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:32 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to highplainsdem (Reply #1)

 

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
22. It would be great if
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 09:11 PM
Jul 2019

his numbers have peaked.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Liberty Belle

(9,532 posts)
2. He's polling in the top 4, so it's too early to conclude that.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:36 PM
Jul 2019

Especially if any of the other top 3 flame out due to gaffes, background stuff coming out etc., he could still be viable.

I think there are stronger candidates this time but that's only my opinion, and it is still very early in the race. Bernie was vetted in the last election, so only likely to drop if others become better known and rise in popularity with voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(94,299 posts)
4. It's not just his polling position...
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:42 PM
Jul 2019

It's the trend line. Sanders has all the name recognition from his last campaign but he started the 2020 Primary with half the share of votes he got last time, and his position has been dropping. Absent a fatal attack on Warren, I don't see how he carves out a win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,886 posts)
9. Sanders is still doing better than any other candidate except Biden in the polls of who could beat
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:49 PM
Jul 2019

Trump. The latest Michigan poll, for instance

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287215073

has Biden beating Trump by 13 points, and Sanders fairly close behind, beating Trump by 11 points. Warren is several points behind, beating Trump by 6 points. Harris and Booker and Buttigieg all beat Trump in that poll, too, but by narrow margins, within the poll's margin of error.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(94,299 posts)
12. But the polling of who you would vote for shows that people don't care...
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:05 PM
Jul 2019

The latest Quinnipiac poll has Sanders now in FOURTH place, despite his supposed electability.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,886 posts)
17. And the A-rated Fox News poll out four days ago had Sanders in SECOND place.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:20 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,970 posts)
20. Because he polls SECOND (behind Biden) in beating Trump...
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:39 PM
Jul 2019

...which means that those voters who are selecting ONLY on the basis of beating Trump are breaking more for Biden (with Sanders doing as well as he is probably for a variety of other reasons). This means that IF anything happens to Biden where his candidacy takes a hit and people look to alternatives, Sanders if "first in line" to inherit a good chunk of that portion who say "I'll vote for whoever has the best chance of beating Trump."

Which means, yeah, I expect him to stick around a good while. He's well financed, too, so he CAN stick around.

I'll tell you whose window is closing... every candidate who fails to qualify for the third debate. Gonzo.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Liberty Belle

(9,532 posts)
29. Harris lost a lot of people today with her health plan that mostly benefits insurers.
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 01:32 AM
Jul 2019

Many Californians voted for Sanders last time and may shift back to him now (and some to Warren). California has more electoral votes than any other state, so it's a huge factor with an earlier primary this time around. California could well be the kingmaker--or queenmaker.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
23. I just want a
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 09:16 PM
Jul 2019

strong candidate that can win the Electoral College and beat trump. This election will be won in the middle. Sanders would not win. Folks want normalcy. Biden running with a strong progressive Dem woman would be a great ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jalan48

(13,837 posts)
5. If Bernie's window has closed so has the window of the other candidates polling below him.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:44 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JI7

(89,238 posts)
14. the difference is those below him are unknown to many
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:07 PM
Jul 2019

but he is a known figure and isn't getting as much support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jalan48

(13,837 posts)
15. That is true. We should have a better idea by early next year when some candidates have dropped out.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:11 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

RandiFan1290

(6,221 posts)
6. We can't wait to vote for Bernie again!! nt
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:45 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sheshe2

(83,633 posts)
27. Who is "We"?
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 10:36 PM
Jul 2019

Me thinks you are one vote. That would be I not We.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
28. "We's can't wait we can't""shut up we's can wait""no, no we's can't
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 10:56 PM
Jul 2019

wait to vote for the precious..."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RandiFan1290

(6,221 posts)
31. Our family
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:15 AM
Jul 2019

and WE love how our support for Bernie bothers the right wing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
35. Have you read three faces of Eve? nt
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 11:51 AM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
7. No more than anyone else at the top of the ranks right now. N/t
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:45 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
8. Don Meredith used to sing a song about this on Monday Night Football many years ago.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:48 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
11. Before the second debate out of 14 scheduled held in mid summer 2019? No
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:02 PM
Jul 2019

His prospects may be dimmer now than they were a few months ago. But prospects are known to change, frequently, early in a presidential race. Window "closed"? Ask me again in mid February.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
36. A well known candidate has never risen
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 11:53 AM
Jul 2019

for low teens to win the nomination.

Bernie is done.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
37. I know he was a Republican, but John McCain did
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 12:08 PM
Jul 2019

I'm not sure what the actual polling numbers were, but in 2003 it was looking like John Kerry was done for also, not doing well in the polls and having to shuffle his campaign team.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tribalceltic

(1,000 posts)
13. Yes
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:05 PM
Jul 2019

The time for Divisiveness and same Party attacks is over

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TheCowsCameHome

(40,167 posts)
16. Is this a serious question?
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:16 PM
Jul 2019


Um, no.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #16)

 

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
34. "Is this a serious question?"
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 11:33 AM
Jul 2019

Eighty six percent of your fellow members think it is:


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287215306


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatrickforO

(14,557 posts)
19. The dialog has moved left, and Bernie is no longer alone.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:30 PM
Jul 2019

He is not a particularly good manager, and to my mind, while he's always been on the right side of history in major economic issues, he's not gotten a lot of stuff done.

Same with Biden.

My question to both of these gentlemen is this: You have both been in Congress for many years, decades, and in Biden's case been VP. If you are so effective, why are things so much worse now than when you first got into office?

Is that a painful question? Yes, I know it is very stinging. But it is also very legitimate. I'm tired of people talking a good game and then not getting anything done. I'm not thrilled about the record of either Bernie or Biden, though I do like Bernie's policy positions much better.

But in 2020, the Dems need to run someone who can get millennials and gen Z to the polls, and this time around I don't think it is either Bernie or Joe. Both good men, and I will certainly support if either is the nominee, but we have other candidates that can do better, I think. Better against Trump, and better when they get in office.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,367 posts)
24. Closed, locked, storm shutters installed.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 10:17 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
30. The window was never fully open
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 03:24 AM
Jul 2019

and now, not only that it has been shut, it has been riveted, welded and about to be boarded up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
32. Look, in '16 Bernie was a breath of fresh air to many. Hillary was "the anointed" and there was...
Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:42 AM
Jul 2019

that other guy. But Bernie was the real deal, and justified all that hope that Nader and Kucinich brewed.

Well, that was then. These days, he hasn't changed much, but the public has, as has the country. This isn't a game any more-- it's not just between two white guys 10 degrees off center from each other.

We have already seen that a woman can win-- by 3 million votes. And that was before we knew how big an asshole Trump would be, so that shouldn't even be a question. We've got a bunch of damn good women running, so I can see the nation asking why not give one of them a shot.

Biden is a known quantity. Beyond any faults he may have, he is pretty much guaranteed to do his best to bring us back to stability and respect around the world. It's natural for him to be in the lead.

Bernie is also a known quantity, and while the rest of the mob would involve a bit of faith that they could do the job, we know what kind of a job he would do, and it's not looking all that good. He's got that storage of piss and vinegar from all those years of sniping from the sidelines, but he's slowly but surely trending downwards as people find other, more substantial, choices. Bernie has simply not kept up with the times.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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