Disagreeing and debating health care does NOT equal 'Repubican talking points.'

[wyldwolf]

That's becoming the progressive fall-back position. Silly.

[Tiggeroshii]

1. When the things that are being said in the conversations originate from right wing think tanks,

and health industry talking points, then it absolutely does equal "republican talking points."

[wyldwolf]

2. ok, PROVE they originated from "right wing think tanks."

[Tiggeroshii]

3. Prove what is?

The Republican talking points?

[wyldwolf]

8. wow. OK. I'll talk slower. Prove. the. things. being. said. are. from. right wing. think tanks.

I said "Disagreeing and debating health care does NOT equal 'Repubican talking points.'"

You replied, "When the things that are being said in the conversations originate from right wing think tanks then it absolutely does equal 'republican talking points.'

[Tiggeroshii]

15. Now you just aren't speaking english

I don't speak "conscending"


How did you become fluent in that?


Right and I basically said, "except for when they are actually equalling republican talking points." That isn't a controversial thing, but somehow you made it as much. Incredible.

[wyldwolf]

16. now you're just deflecting

[Tiggeroshii]

18. The conversation is pretty general. Nothing overly controversial has been said

[wyldwolf]

19. but, after several replies, you've yet to even try to prove your assertion.

And before you ask, "what assertion?" This: The things that are being said in the conversations originate from right wing think tanks,
and health industry talking points, then it absolutely does equal "republican talking points."

[Tiggeroshii]

22. Do you even disagree with it?

Honestly, all I said was that some arguments against m4a do spawn from republican talking points. Neither you nor I have specified if there are specific arguments at hand to prove either point. Fact is I agree with you, and so far you haven't shown much for me to presume you disagree with much of what I have said either.

[wyldwolf]

23. and, again, you deflect. This should be easy for you. I'm lobbing you a softball

[Tiggeroshii]

24. You are nutruring a hostile environment.

We are in total agreement. Stop.

[wyldwolf]

26. softball

[Tiggeroshii]

29. Lol

There are no questions when we already agree. Stop tslking to yourself.

[wyldwolf]

30. softball

[Tiggeroshii]

32. Do you think that repeating the same word over and over makes you stand out?

[highplainsdem]

4. +1,000,000

[UniteFightBack]

5. It sure is a nice barb to throw out at another Dem when you want to try to shut them up and

shut them down.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

6. This.

[Cha]

7. yeah, if they can't come up with

anything better than that.

[Spider Jerusalem]

9. More like "corporate talking points"

which is about what you can expect from the dude who spent 34 years representing the interests of the corporations who take advantage of Delaware corporation law.

[wyldwolf]

10. correctly pointing out the cost of MFA and that taxes will be increased on the middle class...

... those are corporate talking points? Because if they are, then they're accurate.

[Spider Jerusalem]

11. How is a monthly insurance payment not a tax, then?

The salient question here is "will taxes go up by less than the current average cost of paying for health insurance for the average American?" (the answer, based on every single other developed country that has universal healthcare, is 'yes').

[wyldwolf]

14. That isn't relevant to what "right wing" or "corporate" talking points are.

A difference of opinion, political reality (Obama knew the votes were not there for MFA), and economics are not "right wing" or "corporate" talking points

[Cha]

12. Oh yeah.. there's that tired ol

buzzword "corporate".

They're valid points.. not everyone wants m4all.

Link to tweet

These leaders are with Biden fighting to keep ACA..

Biden proposes massive new Obamacare subsidies, public option in health care plan

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287201979

Biden is in Good Company!

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Progressives Support Shoring Up ACA Before Tackling Medicare For All

Despite a large division in the Democratic party over the best health care solution ― single-payer or a continuation and possible expansion of something like Obamacare ― progressives in Congress appear to be in lockstep with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s priority of shoring up the ACA before tackling anything like Medicare for All.

“I’m happy to support any provision that strengthens the ACA and plug some of the gaps that we’re seeing, particularly as it’s under assault by the president,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost on Wednesday. “I think it’s part of a longer-term vision, at least for me, towards guaranteeing ― truly guaranteeing ― health care for all Americans.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142293852#top

Looks like the House Progressives are with former VP Joe Biden

Here's Beto..

Link to tweet

Then there's BS's opposition..

Bernie Sanders opposes House bill to strengthen the Affordable Care Act.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128739743#top

Link to tweet

We Want to WIN this ELECTION!

[uponit7771]

17. That got worn out in 16, seriously

[jcgoldie]

13. Whats silly

Are democrats fighting so hard against a universal health care plan scraping for rationalizations like fear mongering over losing employer based plans and "raising taxes" when costs go down.

[GulfCoast66]

20. Whose costs?

My employer pay for health insurance for well over 50K workers. At over 5k per worker. Workers, who despite what many here always claim actually like their healthcare. Because the ACA instituted guaranteed coverage and out of pocket cost maximums.

So my employer provides coverage worth over $250,000,000 of coverage to their employees. It’s actually a lot more because we have more people all over the country.

Multiply that be the entire 50-60 million Americans who get their healthcare from their employer, and who a generally happy with it. Who makes up that cost? Even with the always assumed but never proven savings?

When someone actually answers that we can have a serious conversation.

And logistics aside. You think many of the employees of my company, or any company are going to vote for someone telling they are taking that away for something Better! Trust us! Not hardly. We push Medicare for all we get more republican victories.

Employees who get medical insurance know it got better after the ACA. That’s why it is now popular. Strengthening it is the winning message. It’s what won in 2018.

And why it will win in 2020.

[Lordquinton]

21. It doesn't automatically

But when you start using those points expect to be called out on them.

And to answer the question that is going to be asked, the whole "who will pay for it" is a right wing talking point. Rand Paul used it just a couple days ago to try and block the 9-11 bill.

[Tiggeroshii]

25. +10,000

[Hoyt]

27. +1. We are going to be facing "right wing talking points." Why wait until General Election?

[customerserviceguy]

28. I see it used a lot here

If someone doesn't have an answer to a point raised, it's labeled a "Republican talking point." It's the argument for people who don't know how to argue intelligently.

[Midnightwalk]

31. But say it is a republican talking point

And there is not a good answer. I see that as a bigger problem than your point which I don’t dispute.

We have to stop acting like health cate is a problem that can be completely solved in a single election cycle. It is going to take multiple steps.

If we can’t anticipate and answer the obvious but reliable “you can’t keep your plan/doctor” attack, we are sunk.

We’re talking about covering everyone and also cutting the huge waste out of the system. To the tune of a trillion dollars a year. We will be incredibly successful if we do that in a decade.

It will be as hard as getting to the moon. If we tried that in one step we never would have got there.

It’s a frustrating and stupid situation because other countries do it for so much less but that doesn’t make it easier for us. Even people screwed by the current system will be hard to convince.

You know what the biggest problem with the ACA was? We lost control of congress and couldn't do anything to improve it for the past 10 years. We couldn’t even stop going backwards.