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highplainsdem

(48,955 posts)
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 09:52 PM Aug 2019

Do you believe we can get Medicare For All through Congress in 2021-2024?

Let's assume that our party ends up nominating a candidate who supports Medicare For All (that candidate would most likely be Sanders or Warren), and that nominee wins the general election.

Let's assume that enacting Medicare For All becomes the #1 priority for that administration, to be tackled right away.

Do you believe we'll have enough votes in both the House and the Senate to pass Medicare For All?

I am not including an option for DUers who don't believe a candidate in favor of Medicare For All could win the GE, because I'm curious about whether you believe we could get the bill through Congress.

Obama favored a public option, after all, and we didn't have the votes for that.


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YES. If we can get that nominee to the White House, we'll be able to enact the bill.
5 (15%)
NO. The votes wouldn't be there.
26 (76%)
MAYBE LATER. We wouldn't have the votes immediately but with the WH bully pulpit could gain support.
0 (0%)
OTHER. (Please explain.)
3 (9%)
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Do you believe we can get Medicare For All through Congress in 2021-2024? (Original Post) highplainsdem Aug 2019 OP
I may be missing it, but I don't think I've even heard a detailed MFA proposal. brewens Aug 2019 #1
Nope, you didn't miss it. No one has actually done the tough job of working out the details... George II Aug 2019 #5
but the basis of the plans are... wyldwolf Aug 2019 #37
For the same reason the Republicans could not kill Obama Care bottomofthehill Aug 2019 #2
Actually, precedent has been set to go nuclear. Amimnoch Aug 2019 #33
Absolutely not - and we may lose what we already have 4now Aug 2019 #3
Based on the case working its way through the courts now Bettie Aug 2019 #48
Beto O'Rourke has the right idea with Medicare for America, read text of plan here Indygram Aug 2019 #4
No time now. Does his plan get rid of private insurance? By MFA I mean the plans that are highplainsdem Aug 2019 #7
No, Medicare for America KEEPS private employer and union based insurance Indygram Aug 2019 #9
Sounds interesting, but it isn't what I mean by Medicare For All. Polls have shown there's highplainsdem Aug 2019 #13
Yep, I voted no, because it would not pass Indygram Aug 2019 #17
I like Beto, as I've said here before. I can see how appealing he is. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #19
Which "Medicare for All" are you referring to? As far as I can tell, "Medicare for All".... George II Aug 2019 #6
I'm talking about a single payer plan getting rid of private health insurance. Basically, the highplainsdem Aug 2019 #8
Even if we had a 70-30 majority in the Senate (or should I say 70-29-1?), NO plan that gets rid... George II Aug 2019 #12
That's my best guess, too, but since I've encountered Sanders and Warren supporters (especially highplainsdem Aug 2019 #14
Not really BUT TheFarseer Aug 2019 #10
I'm guessing that NOT TRYING and wondering what Republicans will settle for theaocp Aug 2019 #27
Perfect BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #35
Why put a gun to the heads of insurance companies BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #36
I think it would have been a better strategy loyalsister Aug 2019 #38
Problem is, a candidate running on pure Medicare for everyone wouldn't get elected in 2020. Hoyt Aug 2019 #53
We are living in "interesting times." PETRUS Aug 2019 #11
and... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #24
Doesn't matter for Presidential Race hurl Aug 2019 #15
I voted no for the same reason... TreasonousBastard Aug 2019 #16
we'll... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #18
The votes won't be there and Cha Aug 2019 #20
+1 Biden is way ahead on this. I hope Harris has a quick reset to OnDoutside Aug 2019 #32
I was disappointed in Harris' plan. All it does is extend the transition. Hoyt Aug 2019 #54
True, I just think she jumped the gun to mark Warren joining Sanders on MFA. It was an error OnDoutside Aug 2019 #58
Maybe MFA will be feasible in a few years. In 2020 it's a hard sell. oasis Aug 2019 #21
The question remains, can we take and hold congress until the Supreme Court shakes out? LuvLoogie Aug 2019 #22
There is no way to pass this bill in the real world Gothmog Aug 2019 #23
Ahhh, but many people don't live in the real world. n/t elocs Aug 2019 #26
x 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #45
Frankly I think it is dishonest to go on about Medicare for All elocs Aug 2019 #25
Why isn't it passing right now ? Aren't some of the people who are for it members of Congress ? JI7 Aug 2019 #28
True... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #46
*Other* Amimnoch Aug 2019 #29
Not at this time True Blue American Aug 2019 #30
No, not a hope. What IS eminently doable is OnDoutside Aug 2019 #31
Other: With single-payer as the goal we can make advances towards it. blm Aug 2019 #34
Fighting over the details of their healthcare proposals won't help them beat Donald Trump Gothmog Aug 2019 #39
This plan requires one to take away private insurance which will be a killer issue Gothmog Aug 2019 #40
Other: We'll choose to keep and add to the ACA. Hortensis Aug 2019 #41
American politics could use a healthy dose of pragmatism Gothmog Aug 2019 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Aug 2019 #43
kick highplainsdem Aug 2019 #44
Do you believe we can get gun control through Congress? Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #47
kick highplainsdem Aug 2019 #49
No, & neither will the public option, the votes aren't there in the Senate, nor the House for either Celerity Aug 2019 #50
in a desperate bid to get 1 bipartisan republican to vote aye rampartc Aug 2019 #51
Dems really don't need to publicize this kind of thing now or anytime in the near future empedocles Aug 2019 #52
This really highlights some of the extremist thoughts out there. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #55
OTHER: Probably not...but we should start there. TCJ70 Aug 2019 #56
It is just a slogan to pander for votes NYMinute Aug 2019 #57
DU has changed a lot over the years IronLionZion Aug 2019 #59
 

brewens

(13,557 posts)
1. I may be missing it, but I don't think I've even heard a detailed MFA proposal.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 09:58 PM
Aug 2019

The one thing that bugs me is I keep hearing the 30 plus trillion figure thrown around like that will be extra taxes on top of everything else.

What happens to all the money employers pay for medical insurance? They don't just get to pocket all that while the employees make it all up with higher taxes. Either they fund much of the new plan or we need assurances that they have to increase pay accordingly.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
5. Nope, you didn't miss it. No one has actually done the tough job of working out the details...
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:14 PM
Aug 2019

...just an outline, bullet points, a bunch of "we have tos".

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wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
37. but the basis of the plans are...
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:09 AM
Aug 2019

magic wands, glitter, and fairy dust.

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bottomofthehill

(8,323 posts)
2. For the same reason the Republicans could not kill Obama Care
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:02 PM
Aug 2019

You need 60 votes in the US Senate and we are not even close to that number

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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
33. Actually, precedent has been set to go nuclear.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:23 AM
Aug 2019

Republicans went for majority only vote to repeal the ACA, and it was John McCain’s famous thumbs down that saved it when they went for the “skinny repeal”. 2 times they tried for a cloture vote measure and failed, and then went Nuclear and lost 49 yea to 51 nay thanks to McCain.

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4now

(1,596 posts)
3. Absolutely not - and we may lose what we already have
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:03 PM
Aug 2019
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Bettie

(16,083 posts)
48. Based on the case working its way through the courts now
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 05:42 PM
Aug 2019

we're probably GOING to lose what we already have, at least for those who don't have insurance through their employers.

Frankly, I don't think we should go into this as if we've already lost.

Begging to start negotiating at the very least we might possibly accept is weak and defeatist.

Ask for it all. At least you're starting from a position where there is room to negotiate.

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Indygram

(2,113 posts)
4. Beto O'Rourke has the right idea with Medicare for America, read text of plan here
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:12 PM
Aug 2019
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highplainsdem

(48,955 posts)
7. No time now. Does his plan get rid of private insurance? By MFA I mean the plans that are
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:18 PM
Aug 2019

single payer, without private insurance, because from what I've read that's considered the pure type of Medicare For All plan.

Then we have plans that are Medicare For All Who Want It, which are basically public option plans, and I'm not including those in this poll.

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Indygram

(2,113 posts)
9. No, Medicare for America KEEPS private employer and union based insurance
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:25 PM
Aug 2019

It is sort of midway between Medicare for All and ACA with a public option. Beto would pay for it by taking the corporate tax cut Trump gave to 28% from 21% (not all the way back up) and would tax capital gains the same as other income is taxed so the wealthy actually pay their share too. The link actually shows the full text of H.R.2452 - Medicare for America Act of 2019
It's a great "meet in the middle" option that could unite both sides of the health care debate the party is having.

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highplainsdem

(48,955 posts)
13. Sounds interesting, but it isn't what I mean by Medicare For All. Polls have shown there's
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:35 PM
Aug 2019

a huge difference in support when people are asked whether they favor Medicare for all who want it (which is basically the public option), or Medicare for everyone with no private insurance allowed -- that's the "pure" version of Medicare For All.

Since we have two candidates in the top 4 who favor Medicare For All, and one of them could end up the nominee, I'm curious about how many DUers believe we could get MFA through Congress.

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Indygram

(2,113 posts)
17. Yep, I voted no, because it would not pass
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:11 PM
Aug 2019

but I think Medicare for America could, which is a good compromise. A big part of Beto's appeal is that he can sell more progressive policies to very moderate and conservative leaning voters. He is able to explain things plainly and nothing is more appealing to the masses than someone who presents things in a simple way.

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highplainsdem

(48,955 posts)
19. I like Beto, as I've said here before. I can see how appealing he is.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:21 PM
Aug 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/128721840

I didn't vote in this poll myself because I can't quite make up my mind between NO and MAYBE LATER. My first guess was NO, but I added the MAYBE LATER option because if a candidate campaigning on Medicare For All can get to the White House, with the electorate aware that MFA means no private insurance, there really might be enough popular support to get the bill enacted eventually, though it would probably take some time to get enough more-progressive lawmakers voted into the House and Senate. Might take a couple of blue wave elections.
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George II

(67,782 posts)
6. Which "Medicare for All" are you referring to? As far as I can tell, "Medicare for All"....
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:17 PM
Aug 2019

....is just a slogan for a vague, undefined proposal.

Are you talking about the Medicare for All first proposed by John Dingell Sr. in 1943? Or the one proposed by Ted Kennedy in 2006? Or the various proposals by several candidates this year, none of which are the same?

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highplainsdem

(48,955 posts)
8. I'm talking about a single payer plan getting rid of private health insurance. Basically, the
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:24 PM
Aug 2019

Sanders plan, which Warren has suggested she's essentially in agreement with.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/02/warren-health-care-2020-1630660


I''m not talking about plans that use Medicare For All terminology but are basically adding a public option to Mediare or the ACA while allowing people to keep private insurance if they want it.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
12. Even if we had a 70-30 majority in the Senate (or should I say 70-29-1?), NO plan that gets rid...
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:32 PM
Aug 2019

....of private insurance will ever pass. It won't even get out of committee.

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highplainsdem

(48,955 posts)
14. That's my best guess, too, but since I've encountered Sanders and Warren supporters (especially
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:40 PM
Aug 2019

Sanders supporters) who do believe that if their candidate becomes the nominee, their policies will become overwhelmingly popular, I wanted to see how many in this forum agree.

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TheFarseer

(9,318 posts)
10. Not really BUT
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:26 PM
Aug 2019

You start at MFA and you can compromise on a public opinion. If you start at expanding Obamacare, you compromise at we won’t gut Medicaid. That’s how you negotiate. I can’t believe this needs to be explained.

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theaocp

(4,235 posts)
27. I'm guessing that NOT TRYING and wondering what Republicans will settle for
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:58 AM
Aug 2019

is sacrosanct around here. Negotiations are hard and why are you attacking Obama?

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BeyondGeography

(39,367 posts)
36. Why put a gun to the heads of insurance companies
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:05 AM
Aug 2019

When reasoning with them has worked so well?

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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
38. I think it would have been a better strategy
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 09:15 AM
Aug 2019

When Obama started. He was very optimistic in being able to negotiate with the GOP. Our next president should not be as generous.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
53. Problem is, a candidate running on pure Medicare for everyone wouldn't get elected in 2020.
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:28 AM
Aug 2019
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PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
11. We are living in "interesting times."
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:30 PM
Aug 2019

There are plenty of reasons I say that, but the person who holds of the office of President could suffice as "exhibit A" in terms of evidence. The mood of the country is quite agitated, and things can turn very quickly - not saying they will, but they could.

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myohmy2

(3,152 posts)
24. and...
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 01:04 AM
Aug 2019

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."

"What you think you create, what you feel you attract, what you imagine you become."

...let everyone become MFA supporters and let's reject all those negative vibes...

...

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hurl

(938 posts)
15. Doesn't matter for Presidential Race
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:44 PM
Aug 2019

I voted no, but I really don't care in the context of the Presenential race. The President doesn't control this debate. It can be solved only in Congress, so what the President pushes doesn't matter much to me as long as it is generally the right diretion toward universal coverage. I think our candidates should not spend much time on this other than to support coverage for everybody and direct Congress to work out the details.

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
16. I voted no for the same reason...
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:53 PM
Aug 2019

None of their plans have that snowball's chance of ever even reaching the floor.

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myohmy2

(3,152 posts)
18. we'll...
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:14 PM
Aug 2019

...find a way...

...keep the faith...

...MFA!!

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Cha

(297,009 posts)
20. The votes won't be there and
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:24 PM
Aug 2019

it's not a winner. I want to win.. I like Biden's plan for the WIN!

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OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
32. +1 Biden is way ahead on this. I hope Harris has a quick reset to
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:21 AM
Aug 2019

Jump over in his direction too asap.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
54. I was disappointed in Harris' plan. All it does is extend the transition.
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:31 AM
Aug 2019

While I think MFA is the best system ultimately, way too many aren’t convinced and won’t be for years.

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OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
58. True, I just think she jumped the gun to mark Warren joining Sanders on MFA. It was an error
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:03 PM
Aug 2019

that she has been trying to back away from since.

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oasis

(49,360 posts)
21. Maybe MFA will be feasible in a few years. In 2020 it's a hard sell.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:32 PM
Aug 2019

In reaching for the moon, we risk getting a reduction in what we have now.

Wake up folks.

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LuvLoogie

(6,954 posts)
22. The question remains, can we take and hold congress until the Supreme Court shakes out?
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:37 PM
Aug 2019

Until we fill courts with those who hold the rights of flesh and blood citizens over paper citizens?

Does our side have enough of an attention span? Are there enough serious young to counter the teen and twenty-year-old racist jackweasels being raised by the deplorables?

Can we stop waiting for inspiration until our actions are born of desperation?

We have to undo and repair the damage, shore up the legislative firewall. That we allowed this bigoted nihilist to befoul our capitol is on us.

What we want is to breathe again.

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Gothmog

(145,046 posts)
23. There is no way to pass this bill in the real world
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 12:35 AM
Aug 2019
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elocs

(22,562 posts)
26. Ahhh, but many people don't live in the real world. n/t
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:53 AM
Aug 2019
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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
45. x 100,000,000,000,000,000,000
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 02:17 PM
Aug 2019
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elocs

(22,562 posts)
25. Frankly I think it is dishonest to go on about Medicare for All
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:52 AM
Aug 2019

when nobody says a word about how it would ever be passed into law, giving people false hope that they will see it happen when it has no chance in the foreseeable future.

So will the Democratic platform be Medicare for All with no Plan B at all?

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JI7

(89,244 posts)
28. Why isn't it passing right now ? Aren't some of the people who are for it members of Congress ?
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 06:59 AM
Aug 2019

and that's where the bills are passed first.

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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
29. *Other*
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:09 AM
Aug 2019

I don’t see any path at all in the 2020 congress. At best, if we get the POTUS VP for the tie breaker, we may have the Senate majority by48+2/50 split and the VP being the tie-breaker.

2022 however has a map that has the potential to get a more comfortable majority back in the Senate. If we follow the tRumpulbicons lead and force it to vote for a majority, it is possible. Would really depend on who those senators we gain are, and how much support MFA will have within their own constituency.

If It can pass the 2022 Senate and there’s public appetite for it, and we keep the house numbers we have now through then, it could pass.

There’s a lot of “if’s” there.

No matter what, we have got to get the case for this sold to the people of:
Ohio - Important for 2020 POTUS election, and critical for Senate 2022.
Pennsylvania - Critical for 2020 POTUS election, and Senate 2022
Wisconsin - Critical for 2020POTUS and Senate in 2022

All 3 of those states have Republican incumbents coming up in the Senate for 2022.

Need those Senators to be Democrats, and we need those Senators to pass any MFA measure... which means.. we need to sell it to the constituency in those states.

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True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
30. Not at this time
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:15 AM
Aug 2019

If Democrats can gain control fix the problems the Republicans have refused to fix,repair their damage, then slowly push into Single Payer.

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OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
31. No, not a hope. What IS eminently doable is
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:17 AM
Aug 2019

Fixing the issues in the ACA

Adding a public option

Providing free access to the public option to those whose income is too low.

If Democrats are aggressive in pushing and demanding this, I think you'd even get Republican support provided Dems also win the Senate in 2020. Republicans have been so badly beaten on healthcare, and I believe it will be worse for them in 2020, they'll be begging to get beyond it as fast as they can.

MFA is impossible to structurally implement in the 4, 8 or even the 10 years Harris is proposing. Warren and Sanders are talking tosh to suggest that they could do it in 4 years. The net effect of trying to do so would be to breath new life into the republican healthcare bullshit.

Fixing the ACA and adding the public option is doable, easily explained, while killing the Republicans. MFA is not a hill to die on when a Trump win would mean the strangulation of the ACA

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blm

(113,037 posts)
34. Other: With single-payer as the goal we can make advances towards it.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 07:52 AM
Aug 2019

Why wouldn’t we even try to advance?

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Gothmog

(145,046 posts)
39. Fighting over the details of their healthcare proposals won't help them beat Donald Trump
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 11:55 AM
Aug 2019
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Gothmog

(145,046 posts)
40. This plan requires one to take away private insurance which will be a killer issue
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 12:06 PM
Aug 2019

This issue would kill sanders or Warren in they are the nominee


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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. Other: We'll choose to keep and add to the ACA.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 12:12 PM
Aug 2019

80% of Democrats, and a fair number of Republicans already really like the ACA, in place and proven, and want to repair the damage and add what was supposed to be there from the beginning and more.

That deluded "no to incremental change" argument hasn't worked on people with the sense to realize how crazy trashing the ACA and starting all over from scratch would be -- with an ideologically the same, for-profit program, passed and implemented over several years!

Speaking of toxic influences, who first served up that "incremental" Kool-Aid to induce Sanders' supporters to support repeal anyway? Was it even from the left or was it agents of the ACA's RW billionaire opponents?

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Gothmog

(145,046 posts)
42. American politics could use a healthy dose of pragmatism
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 05:16 PM
Aug 2019



Most Americans aren’t philosophers, thank goodness, but we are a nation of pragmatists. And so, despite the snap to her zinger, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) was out of the mainstream when she shrugged off criticism during the second round of Democratic debates by saying: “I don’t understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States just to talk about what we really can’t do and shouldn’t fight for.”

Democrats should be demanding more answers, not fewer. Will Medicare-for-all cost key union votes in critical Midwestern states, as Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) argued during the debates? Does a free-tuition promise at state colleges and universities benefit middle- and upper-class families more than families in need? Is Warren’s proposed tax on the assets of wealthy Americans likely to pass constitutional muster, and what strategies are billionaires likely to employ to avoid it? In light of those answers, will it really pay for all that she has promised?

Do Americans support decriminalizing illegal border crossings? Do Americans oppose lawful deportations? Do Americans agree that the federal government should guarantee a job for every person? Pragmatic questions such as these are highly relevant in a representative democracy, where politics is the art of the possible.

What I don’t understand is why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States simply to ignore questions about real-world realities and promise fights without explaining how to win them. Reality is not going to bend to a new shape come 2021 just because a President Sanders shouts at it or a President Warren fights with it.
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Voltaire2

(12,977 posts)
47. Do you believe we can get gun control through Congress?
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 05:21 PM
Aug 2019

Probably not. Guess we better not try.

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Celerity

(43,238 posts)
50. No, & neither will the public option, the votes aren't there in the Senate, nor the House for either
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:53 AM
Aug 2019

Furthermore, if we do not win back the Senate, nothing's getting through that isn't centre right or worse on any topic of legislation.

Until Moscow Mitch or another Rethug is no longer the Majority leader, it will be a shitshow. Zero chance we will see a Democratic POTUS-nominated SCOTUS candidate approved. Moscow and his successor will sit on it for 8 years if they have to.

There are 12 potential R to D flippable states (some are a stretch, like TX and KY)

ONE of the 12 (AZ) has the best (in terms of highest chance of winning) potential candidate running as of my typing this. Let that sink in.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

rampartc

(5,395 posts)
51. in a desperate bid to get 1 bipartisan republican to vote aye
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:01 AM
Aug 2019

the bill will become "medicare for job creators" and will barely pass with no republican votes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
52. Dems really don't need to publicize this kind of thing now or anytime in the near future
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:01 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
55. This really highlights some of the extremist thoughts out there.
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:05 AM
Aug 2019

Excellent poll question with expected results.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
56. OTHER: Probably not...but we should start there.
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:48 AM
Aug 2019

That way we end up as far along as possible. If that’s a public option, that’s great, too!

If we start at the compromise, we will always end up losing. That’s because there isn’t another side to go up against in negotiation who are participating in good faith.

I’d be interested to know how people who are against MfA or for Biden’s plan think he’ll get it through? It’s easy to look at the end goal and say “no way”...but for some reason the “moderates” never have to explain how they’ll get shit done.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
57. It is just a slogan to pander for votes
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:04 AM
Aug 2019

No actual plan exists

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IronLionZion

(45,402 posts)
59. DU has changed a lot over the years
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:23 PM
Aug 2019

a few years back DUers were not bothered if there were votes in the House or Senate, they just wanted to punish every Dem who wasn't for MFA and cheered as red state moderates lost their seats to tea party extremists and we lost the House and Senate.

Even suggesting we try to make the ACA work after it passed, was considered treason around here. Anyone defending Obama and Biden back then were taken out to the woodshed.

This place felt like "bury Democrats 6 ft Underground" rather than Democratic Underground. It's amazing how Trump has swung the pendulum so hard right that DUers want to start from a deeply compromised position and then negotiate something Republicans would like but will still block anyway.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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