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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:02 PM Sep 2019

Warren passes Biden in new nationwide poll

A new national survey shows Elizabeth Warren now sitting atop the 2020 Democratic field, further cementing her ascendancy in the party’s presidential primary after a pair of polls reported her leading in the first two primary states.

Twenty-seven percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents polled by Quinnipiac University said they favor Warren, according to a survey released Wednesday morning. Twenty-five percent said they prefer former Vice President Joe Biden.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/warren-beats-biden-national-poll-1510726

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Warren passes Biden in new nationwide poll (Original Post) at140 Sep 2019 OP
Happy Dance... humbled_opinion Sep 2019 #1
Warren will be the first female president! at140 Sep 2019 #2
Or possibly the second... Staph Sep 2019 #24
👍👍 Duppers Sep 2019 #28
There would be bigots out in the streets with their pitchforks and hoods. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #53
She is just warming up, this is just the beginning! Baclava Sep 2019 #120
Oh boy. Love her..but beating the monster more important. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #3
Trump's attacks on Biden might be having an effect. Doodley Sep 2019 #4
I don't think so. Blue_true Sep 2019 #9
Imho she'll not be able to shake loose the southern states. Biden is just so popular Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #61
I agree, unless something changes, the South will be tough for her. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #71
The shitstorm that is building as Impeachment proceedings NoMoreRepugs Sep 2019 #107
Her message about major structural change is resonating vlyons Sep 2019 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author tirebiter Sep 2019 #76
The Big Effect is Trump getting impeached, thank you very much tirebiter Sep 2019 #78
Yes, it is worth Biden taking a hit from the uninformed if it removes Trump! Doodley Sep 2019 #85
I have a good feeling about this one... Tiggeroshii Sep 2019 #5
Yeah, me too Tiggeroshii. Congrats to your candidate... you should be very proud of Elizabeth!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #36
Bad news evertonfc Sep 2019 #6
Well, HRC won the popular vote by over 3 million votes than Trump. CTyankee Sep 2019 #7
But the popular vote doesn't mean anything. BlueTsunami2018 Sep 2019 #26
Events with Trump every single day are peeling away votes in those blue wall states. CTyankee Sep 2019 #62
Frankly, I think Biden has far more "built-in disadvantages" DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #80
Yes a woman CAN win, especially this competent woman with a bold progressive plan to save America. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #37
A woman can. Is that woman Warren? If she wins the primary, we will see if the voters we need agree emmaverybo Sep 2019 #66
And Warren will campaign 3 times harder than HRC at140 Sep 2019 #59
Yes, Elizabeth's high energy level is very apparent... and she's highly capable and competent. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #83
In CA alone she won by over 3 million votes Polybius Sep 2019 #119
I support Warren because I like her agenda and priorities at140 Sep 2019 #8
Base. boomer_wv Sep 2019 #13
"All the base needs to be excited is a chance to throw Trump out" Duppers Sep 2019 #30
You'd think so caraher Sep 2019 #45
This isn't 2016. CTyankee Sep 2019 #65
Warren and Clinton are totally different people. Blue_true Sep 2019 #11
Yes, very true, Elizabeth would be relentless in her attack on tRump & has a bold progressive agenda InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #84
Agree! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #54
You still think that after at140 Sep 2019 #60
Not sure what you are talking about Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #95
This! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #87
The differences between 2020 and 2016 are immense. Doremus Sep 2019 #100
True but many of them although claiming to be "independent", when it gets right down to it... Ligyron Sep 2019 #127
Elizabeth will be the nominee ritapria Sep 2019 #10
It is beginning to look like you are accurate on your analysis. Blue_true Sep 2019 #12
press. boomer_wv Sep 2019 #14
I agree with you ritapria Sep 2019 #21
You might be right... and I could certainly live with that outcome!! Go Elizabeth!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #40
Big wins in IA & NH??? We must be looking at different early state polling!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #88
If we nominate Warren we lose. Nt jaysunb Sep 2019 #15
Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #18
Why unlikeable? Tipperary Sep 2019 #19
I like her, but I don't believe America will elect a woman. ...yet. nt jaysunb Sep 2019 #20
I find that baffling, but it's looked like you're right Rhiannon12866 Sep 2019 #27
It very well might, as Elizabeth is the most competent female candidate to ever run for President... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #33
I certainly can support that Rhiannon12866 Sep 2019 #39
Who couldn't?! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #47
I'm in the Northeast, so I'm hardly alone here Rhiannon12866 Sep 2019 #48
You might be interested in this: Rhiannon12866 Sep 2019 #49
Thanks!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #50
Countries in which a daughter carries on for a popular father assassinated, family dynasty, , emmaverybo Sep 2019 #38
Well, more recently we have Angela Merkel, Theresa May, Jacinda Ardern and Mary Robinson Rhiannon12866 Sep 2019 #42
And we will too. We have had a very "Uncle Sam" imprint, a masculine archetype that figures in emmaverybo Sep 2019 #67
Agree! that person is not EW!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #90
And everyone said that about electing a black man. Tipperary Sep 2019 #44
We already did. It took treason to steal the election. MrsCoffee Sep 2019 #56
She's trying to be Oklahoma Liz Green Line Sep 2019 #22
"don't like anything about her?!" caraher Sep 2019 #46
Sounds pretty misogynistic. MrsCoffee Sep 2019 #57
IMHO I agree Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #55
I disagree, old buddy. She's a workhorse and a winner. blm Sep 2019 #77
She's both, but I just don't believe Americans will give her a chance. Nt jaysunb Sep 2019 #79
I do. She speaks pointedly to the issues of working families and blm Sep 2019 #81
And those issues and that ability to make them understood qualifies her to lead a superpower? emmaverybo Sep 2019 #82
That's what you want to see for now. I view her abilities blm Sep 2019 #86
I am going by what you said which you claimed was why she's THE candidate. I am also going by emmaverybo Sep 2019 #97
Me either!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #91
Correct! She will not carry the rust belt, FL, TX and AZ will fall out of play Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #89
Agree - we will lose. Dream Girl Sep 2019 #101
FWIW, that poll isn't new. LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #16
This poll was released yesterday and has been posted on DU already. Skya Rhen Sep 2019 #17
It bears repeating... GO ELIZABETH!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2019 #23
K & R SunSeeker Sep 2019 #25
BOOOOOM!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #29
I think she's the smartest candidate. Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2019 #31
Without a doubt... the smartest candidate to EVER run for President!! Go Elizabeth!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #34
Business majors are dumb? emmaverybo Sep 2019 #41
Seems that way to me. Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2019 #43
+10 at140 Sep 2019 #58
An attitude that stereotypes people by college majors, their motives, economic beliefs, academic emmaverybo Sep 2019 #64
Emotional Intelligence? DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #68
You said it yourself, A stereotype. Many artists are cold bastards. Elizabeth Warren is an economist emmaverybo Sep 2019 #69
Just the start! Her lead over Biden will grow in the next month.NM Oregon1947 Sep 2019 #32
No question... she has stopped the Joe-mentum in only a short few months. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #35
It's one poll... the others really haven't moved Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #92
This one poll is good news, but the RCL average still has Biden ahead by 7.3% aikoaiko Sep 2019 #63
RCP average is over long time span, at140 Sep 2019 #72
That lead has been in steady decline True Dough Sep 2019 #103
I agree. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #109
Warren is ahead and I'm here for it Politicub Sep 2019 #70
We're going to lose :( LongtimeAZDem Sep 2019 #73
Give reasons instead of a statement without evidence...eom at140 Sep 2019 #74
Reasons Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #93
Are You Suggesting That AA Will Sit Out Against Trump? DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #94
South Carolina is the bellwether for the AA voting block, so yes his support is quite deep Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #96
Healthcare costs are #1 cause of family bankruptcies at140 Sep 2019 #99
We sure won't win True Dough Sep 2019 #104
Attitude has nothing to do with it LongtimeAZDem Sep 2019 #121
Have you not noticed that polls change? True Dough Sep 2019 #122
Wishful thinking; this election is do or die, and we're thowing it away LongtimeAZDem Sep 2019 #123
Trump is throwing it away True Dough Sep 2019 #124
I dearly hope you're right, but I don't believe it. LongtimeAZDem Sep 2019 #126
Looks to me like she passed the Bern tirebiter Sep 2019 #75
Good to see, would be great to see her taking lead in the Battleground though. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #98
Are you paying attention to newer polls? Biden is falling behind! at140 Sep 2019 #105
It has been a bit more than a week since I've updated. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #111
Me as well, Warren or Biden works for me...eom at140 Sep 2019 #112
Could I be a bother for some of the newer ones? Amimnoch Sep 2019 #113
Sorry if I misled you a bit.. at140 Sep 2019 #114
We will lose if she's the nominee. I would love to see a President Warren. Dream Girl Sep 2019 #102
She will not win? You have a crystal ball? at140 Sep 2019 #106
No crystal ball just my opinion. How lucky do we feel? Dream Girl Sep 2019 #108
I hate to break it to you but Biden will be portrayed as at140 Sep 2019 #110
African Americans are key. Her support among this critical segment is not strong. Dream Girl Sep 2019 #115
Yes, she can. She comes across as everyone's favorite high school teacher. McCamy Taylor Sep 2019 #117
She reminds voter of their favorite high school teacher. McCamy Taylor Sep 2019 #116
Hope you're right. I would be thrilled with a Warren presidency but don't see it. Dream Girl Sep 2019 #118
I almost got into argument marlakay Sep 2019 #125
Disappointing that she could not muster a statement defending Biden against Trump's attempt emmaverybo Sep 2019 #128
This will not go unnoticed by the electorate - not cool... Skya Rhen Sep 2019 #129
Biden expects his competition to defend him? at140 Sep 2019 #131
He doesn't. I do. And I think many do who will be looking at which candidates could take a break emmaverybo Sep 2019 #138
Your concern for senator Warren is noted...eom at140 Sep 2019 #139
surpassing Joe in 2 polls isn't ascendancy onetexan Sep 2019 #130
It is news because it is NEW! at140 Sep 2019 #132
Irrelevant whether i'm unhappy about it or not. The point is it's inaccurate to use words like onetexan Sep 2019 #133
Keep in mind.... at140 Sep 2019 #134
Biden doesn't need to defend himself against the lies the Idiot & his ilk. The media is doing that onetexan Sep 2019 #135
You want to depend on media to defend the candidate? at140 Sep 2019 #136
do your homework before you make statements like that. There's been several posts here mentioning onetexan Sep 2019 #137
I remember when Sanders was the new shiny toy Butterflylady Sep 2019 #140
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
2. Warren will be the first female president!
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:04 PM
Sep 2019

Go Elizabeth Warren!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Staph

(6,239 posts)
24. Or possibly the second...
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 11:52 PM
Sep 2019

After President Pelosi!


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Duppers

(28,076 posts)
28. 👍👍
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:00 AM
Sep 2019

Fingers crossed! We'd LOVE it.

Would rethugs vote Pence out, knowing they would be putting Pelosi in charge in the Oval? Small chance, don't ya think ?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Funtatlaguy

(10,811 posts)
53. There would be bigots out in the streets with their pitchforks and hoods.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:12 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Baclava

(12,047 posts)
120. She is just warming up, this is just the beginning!
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:44 PM
Sep 2019

Yes, she can!

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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
3. Oh boy. Love her..but beating the monster more important.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:05 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doodley

(8,963 posts)
4. Trump's attacks on Biden might be having an effect.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:11 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
9. I don't think so.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:39 PM
Sep 2019

People that vote in our primary have been reevaluating for a while. At first the Biden alternative was either Harris, Buttigieg or Warren. Warren has navigated the landmines better and that is showing as people gravitate to her. Barring major slip ups by her, she can effectively close the door on the rest and put herself in a position to battle Biden toe to toe in the crucial southern primaries.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,221 posts)
61. Imho she'll not be able to shake loose the southern states. Biden is just so popular
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:56 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
71. I agree, unless something changes, the South will be tough for her. nt
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:28 PM
Sep 2019

But remember, Dukakis won the nomination and he faced southern primaries.

Warren is not Bernie. If she makes a strong effort in the South and visit people where they are, she will convert an awful lot of people. She is not doctrinaire and I really feel the average southerner will at least listen to what she has to say.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

NoMoreRepugs

(9,149 posts)
107. The shitstorm that is building as Impeachment proceedings
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 02:15 PM
Sep 2019

gain momentum is going to benefit whomever is our candidate in the Southern states IMO.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
52. Her message about major structural change is resonating
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:45 AM
Sep 2019

nt

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Doodley (Reply #4)

 

tirebiter

(2,518 posts)
78. The Big Effect is Trump getting impeached, thank you very much
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:03 AM
Sep 2019

A direct effect of Trump attacking Biden. Beat that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Doodley

(8,963 posts)
85. Yes, it is worth Biden taking a hit from the uninformed if it removes Trump!
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 03:51 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
5. I have a good feeling about this one...
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:15 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
36. Yeah, me too Tiggeroshii. Congrats to your candidate... you should be very proud of Elizabeth!!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:18 AM
Sep 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
6. Bad news
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:22 PM
Sep 2019

Warren like Clinton has been defined over the last few years and i think she has a built in disadvantage in a General election. I know many independents here that refuse to support her or Bernie. Now, the reasoning is flawed but its fact. I agree with her politically but she has a much harder path to 270. I can assure you she won't compete in Texas or Arizona and will make Florida, Wisconsin and Michigan more challenging. Obviously, this is simply my opinion and would support her vigorously if she is nominee

If I were to vote in a presidential
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CTyankee

(63,600 posts)
7. Well, HRC won the popular vote by over 3 million votes than Trump.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:34 PM
Sep 2019

I get tired of hearing that a woman can't win. One already did.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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BlueTsunami2018

(3,434 posts)
26. But the popular vote doesn't mean anything.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 12:42 AM
Sep 2019

Obviously, since Hillary isn’t President. Her margin was three million in California. If it were only a single vote it still only counts for their fifty-five electoral votes. We need to win those blue wall states back. I don’t see Warren winning those with her built in disadvantages.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CTyankee

(63,600 posts)
62. Events with Trump every single day are peeling away votes in those blue wall states.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:46 AM
Sep 2019

And the media are paying close attention. Morning Joe had those "then" and "now" polling numbers side by side today. They don't bode well for the Republicans.

If you have deep concerns that this polling doesn't mean anything when election day 2020 rolls around, please discuss it here. I'd like to know what you think will "stay the same" as 2016 in those states and what might or will change due to recent events, things we didn't know in 2016.

The thing is we Dems can't wring our hands and say "nothing can be done." Like it or not, Trump is in deep doo-doo with lots of voters who swung the election to him in 2016.

Also, Elizabeth Warren isn't Hillary Clinton. The hardest of hard core won't vote for her, but the more reasonable of the 2016 phalanx that stopped HRC has "gotten what they asked for" and let's see how that plays out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
80. Frankly, I think Biden has far more "built-in disadvantages"
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:46 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
37. Yes a woman CAN win, especially this competent woman with a bold progressive plan to save America.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:20 AM
Sep 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
66. A woman can. Is that woman Warren? If she wins the primary, we will see if the voters we need agree
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:16 AM
Sep 2019

that her plans will “save America.”

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
59. And Warren will campaign 3 times harder than HRC
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:32 AM
Sep 2019

You can see that in her video's from campaign stops. She has so much energy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
83. Yes, Elizabeth's high energy level is very apparent... and she's highly capable and competent.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 02:52 AM
Sep 2019

That's a combination that can't lose!! Speaking of winning combinations...


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Polybius

(15,016 posts)
119. In CA alone she won by over 3 million votes
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 08:53 PM
Sep 2019

CA needs more Electoral Votes.

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Undecided
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
8. I support Warren because I like her agenda and priorities
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:37 PM
Sep 2019

and electability is over-rated in my opinion. I think energizing the base is more important than anything else. Warren is doing a better job in that regard than Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

boomer_wv

(673 posts)
13. Base.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:49 PM
Sep 2019

All the base needs to be excited is a chance to throw Trump out. We need the swing voters. The ones who voted Obama/Trump. We need the Trump/Lamb voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Duppers

(28,076 posts)
30. "All the base needs to be excited is a chance to throw Trump out"
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:05 AM
Sep 2019

AMEN!!!

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caraher

(6,274 posts)
45. You'd think so
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 02:12 AM
Sep 2019

But in 2016 I'd have said, "All the base needs to be excited is a chance to prevent a Trump presidency." And here we are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

CTyankee

(63,600 posts)
65. This isn't 2016.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:53 AM
Sep 2019

I think the electorate has now seen Trump in action and it hasn't gone that well with him. His base, yes, they'll stay to the bitter end. But not everybody who voted for him will. And the impeachment proceedings will make things worse for him. This isn't Bill Clinton with his dalliance with an intern and then lying about it. Trump has committed treasonable acts. BIG difference.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. Warren and Clinton are totally different people.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:42 PM
Sep 2019

I see Warren pressing the attack on Trump everywhere, I truly believe that Hillary did not do that well in some key states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
84. Yes, very true, Elizabeth would be relentless in her attack on tRump & has a bold progressive agenda
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 02:56 AM
Sep 2019

that is second to none, except Bennie.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
60. You still think that after
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:35 AM
Sep 2019

the video of Biden bragging about putting the pressure on a foreign country?

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Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,221 posts)
95. Not sure what you are talking about
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 07:57 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
100. The differences between 2020 and 2016 are immense.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:45 PM
Sep 2019

Warren doesn't have half as much baggage as Clinton did and not 1/10th as much as Biden does. She's stronger overall in just about every category than the other two. The only thing she lacks is a pall from being on the wrong side of issues in the past, such as pro-Iraq war votes and the like.

She has a strong record of fighting for people over profits. She's exactly what we need at exactly the right time in history.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Ligyron

(7,564 posts)
127. True but many of them although claiming to be "independent", when it gets right down to it...
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 01:28 PM
Sep 2019

never end up voting for a Democrat. They somehow, even if not Fox/Rush rabid, have been programmed over the years to believe Democrats will, at a minimum, raise their taxes if nothing else and are "weak" on defense and won't stand up for America's interests enough.

Hopefully, holding Trump (maybe with a few others) accountable for their crimes will begin to disabuse them of this whole "weakness" argument.

Warren would make a fine President.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
10. Elizabeth will be the nominee
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:40 PM
Sep 2019

She is getting great Press ..Her 2 main competitors , Biden and Bernie, are not … Unless that dynamic changes, Warren is poised for big wins in Iowa and NH …..That will sink Bernie and Joe ...She'll wrap it up on March 3, Super Tuesday ….I don't want this to happen but I think this is where this campaign is heading …. Of course , I will enthusiastically support her in the general …...

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
12. It is beginning to look like you are accurate on your analysis.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:46 PM
Sep 2019

Senator Sanders seem to be walking on banana peels relative to Senator Warren, and former VP Biden keeps delivering a openings to Senator Warren. Barring a major slip up, Senator Warren could be in for a string of big early victories that essentially hand her our party nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

boomer_wv

(673 posts)
14. press.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:50 PM
Sep 2019

You folks are assuming that the media doesn't turn on her. They are going to if she becomes a front runner....because there isn't a better horserace story than a front runner falling.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
21. I agree with you
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 11:38 PM
Sep 2019

If Warren starts getting the shit media Bernie and Biden have been enduring for months , she will fall back to earth ….I just don't see any indication that this will happen anytime soon …..I have serious concerns how she will play with working class and rural voters in the general …...Many of them are deeply anti-intellectual and mysoginistic …… On the other hand Trump may be in such bad shape , it won't matter ...It is possible she will face President Pence and Vice-President Nikki Haley

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
40. You might be right... and I could certainly live with that outcome!! Go Elizabeth!!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:23 AM
Sep 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,221 posts)
88. Big wins in IA & NH??? We must be looking at different early state polling!!
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 07:02 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
15. If we nominate Warren we lose. Nt
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:50 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to jaysunb (Reply #15)

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
19. Why unlikeable?
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 11:30 PM
Sep 2019

What is it you do not like?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
20. I like her, but I don't believe America will elect a woman. ...yet. nt
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 11:33 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rhiannon12866

(200,921 posts)
27. I find that baffling, but it's looked like you're right
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 12:45 AM
Sep 2019

I think of all the other countries that have elected women - and not even recently - Indira Gandhi, Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher, Benazir Bhutto! But it still has yet to happen here!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
33. It very well might, as Elizabeth is the most competent female candidate to ever run for President...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:11 AM
Sep 2019

with a bold progressive agenda that voters are demanding... so, I would support Elizabeth wholeheartedly... go Elizabeth!! Our country needs you... and Bernie (on the same ticket).


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Rhiannon12866

(200,921 posts)
39. I certainly can support that
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:22 AM
Sep 2019

Those are both my favorites. My only hesitation is that we also really need their leadership in the Senate. And Elizabeth Warren was just reelected in 2018, so wouldn't the Republican governor appoint a Republican to replace her?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
47. Who couldn't?!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 02:27 AM
Sep 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Rhiannon12866

(200,921 posts)
48. I'm in the Northeast, so I'm hardly alone here
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 02:33 AM
Sep 2019

I've been on board since late 2012!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
50. Thanks!!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:38 AM
Sep 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
38. Countries in which a daughter carries on for a popular father assassinated, family dynasty, ,
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:22 AM
Sep 2019

countries with Queen tradition, women warriors and matriarchal culture...we will do it here when an extraordinary woman breaks through our association between a masculine figure and a commander in chief, could be a woman with a military background.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rhiannon12866

(200,921 posts)
42. Well, more recently we have Angela Merkel, Theresa May, Jacinda Ardern and Mary Robinson
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:26 AM
Sep 2019

And yet we've only ever nominated a woman for the top job once.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
67. And we will too. We have had a very "Uncle Sam" imprint, a masculine archetype that figures in
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:33 AM
Sep 2019

the collective American imagination to overcome, but with Clinton and Warren’s run and their strong following, we see change afoot. The problem is not misogyny, but custom, culture.
Tradition changes as its arbiters do.
I am not convinced that Warren will be the one to break that ceiling created by a lack of historical
precedent and national myths, but someone will, probably someone more charismatic than any male rival, more inspiring.
Obama was a leader for the century. He appealed so widely and deeply. He touched a common core. He had a gift for oratory, no small matter. He also ran an incredible, new kind of campaign.
Is a woman with such a capability, to transcend political, cultural, racial, regional differences, to unify a vast majority, in the offing? Perhaps a WOC? She very well might lack name recognition.
I don’t see her yet, but many obviously do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,221 posts)
90. Agree! that person is not EW!!
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 07:05 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
44. And everyone said that about electing a black man.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:42 AM
Sep 2019

Please. Just wish duers would stop this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MrsCoffee

(5,799 posts)
56. We already did. It took treason to steal the election.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:21 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Green Line

(1,123 posts)
22. She's trying to be Oklahoma Liz
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 11:38 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:48 AM - Edit history (1)

but, she will be seen as a coastal elite in the midwest, I don't think she can win the general, but if she is the nominee, I'll vote and work for her.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

caraher

(6,274 posts)
46. "don't like anything about her?!"
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 02:16 AM
Sep 2019

Not even her party affiliation?

Look, I'm all-in for Joe if he pulls it out in the primaries, and I'm counting on you to do the same if it's Warren (or Sanders or Harris or...). Blanket condemnation of everything about one of our candidates is not going to help us take back the White House.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,799 posts)
57. Sounds pretty misogynistic.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:24 AM
Sep 2019

She is a respected, accomplished Senator and strong female Democratic candidate who is fighting for a better life for all Americans, and you don’t like anything about her? Strange.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(112,773 posts)
77. I disagree, old buddy. She's a workhorse and a winner.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:03 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
79. She's both, but I just don't believe Americans will give her a chance. Nt
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:39 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(112,773 posts)
81. I do. She speaks pointedly to the issues of working families and
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:49 AM
Sep 2019

does it using the simple language of common sense.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
82. And those issues and that ability to make them understood qualifies her to lead a superpower?
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 02:37 AM
Sep 2019

To lead in the international community? To lead during a time when the world is closer to a first
nuclear war than ever before in our history?

To lead on all issues, not only those pertaining to working families? That is one relatively narrow issue she has focused on intensely. Improving economic life for working families appears to be
her central theme, her message tax the rich to do it.

I am hoping she will expand her repertoire.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(112,773 posts)
86. That's what you want to see for now. I view her abilities
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 06:39 AM
Sep 2019

and her capabilities far differently.

My reply to my longtime DU friend above was the reason why I believe she will appeal to those blocks of working class voters that voted for Trump.

Although Warren also has a vast appeal to new voters, as well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
97. I am going by what you said which you claimed was why she's THE candidate. I am also going by
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:23 AM
Sep 2019

what she puts forward, a long list of domestic economic plans aimed at helping working families. She also promises to solve the opiate crisis, help students current and former, and she endorses Bernie’s healthcare proposal.

Domestic economic policy is but one area the president must concern herself with. She may have legislation to propose, but can not wave a magic wand to get her ideas implemented. She also will find budgetary constraints in a time of record high deficits, competing concerns such as infrastructure, and upon taking office, an ongoing Republican challenge to the existing social safety net as well as to healthcare—we will have to use Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare as they exist NOW.

What is the plan to protect these, all under dire threat? Not exciting to talk about existing, imperiled social services and programs, but there it is. Also the need to address immigration—to provide resources for migrants, implement DACA, give 11 million a pathway to citizenship. She has much to put on the American credit card already, without new programs.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,221 posts)
89. Correct! She will not carry the rust belt, FL, TX and AZ will fall out of play
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 07:03 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
101. Agree - we will lose.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:48 PM
Sep 2019

I would love to see a President Warren, but let’s get real. Not gonna happen. I wish people weren’t so naive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
16. FWIW, that poll isn't new.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:55 PM
Sep 2019

NT.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
17. This poll was released yesterday and has been posted on DU already.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:59 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
51. It bears repeating... GO ELIZABETH!!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:40 AM
Sep 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to at140 (Original post)

 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
29. BOOOOOM!!!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:04 AM
Sep 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,839 posts)
31. I think she's the smartest candidate.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:08 AM
Sep 2019

That's a major plus for me!

That might seem "elitist" to some dumber voters, like the illiterate or the business majors, but that makes it even better to me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
34. Without a doubt... the smartest candidate to EVER run for President!! Go Elizabeth!!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:13 AM
Sep 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
41. Business majors are dumb?
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:23 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,839 posts)
43. Seems that way to me.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:39 AM
Sep 2019

It was the "go to" degree for the people who couldn't make it in science, at least at my university.

Economic growth, forever?

If that means anything meaningful, it means growth in GDP forever. Since GDP depends on resources, even in the service sector (providing energy for the humans or anything else that provide the services), and our resources aren't infinite, I consider most business majors who swallow the typical nonsense that they're fed to be gullible at the very least.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
64. An attitude that stereotypes people by college majors, their motives, economic beliefs, academic
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:21 AM
Sep 2019

abilities is hardly enlightened. I taught many business majors, a diverse population at my university, and do not find a universal truth in what you say, but certainly a bias. My accountant is one of the better read people I know. My neighbor, a liberal in this liberal enclave, works in finance.

Some business majors want to own small businesses, go into banking (you do bank, don’t you?), or other areas that a business major provides a good umbrella degree for. Similarly, many fields we would not have considered a few decades ago draw young people with a wide variety of political views. Criminology is one. Liberal arts majors, unless one wants to teach, can be a ticket to joblessness. I remember a girl in my administration of justice course when I, a lit major going back to school, was taking courses, who had been a drama major but returned because she wanted to join the police force.

This thinking, that these or those folks, them, are the adversarial “other,” does not help win general elections.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DrFunkenstein

(8,745 posts)
68. Emotional Intelligence?
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:37 AM
Sep 2019

I have family that are brilliant economists, but you don't see many people with great emotional intelligence drawn to a business degree.

A stereotype, to be sure, but who are we kidding?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
69. You said it yourself, A stereotype. Many artists are cold bastards. Elizabeth Warren is an economist
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:51 AM
Sep 2019

yes? Emotional intelligence and how it is used does not depend on and is not expressed by one’s college major. Especially not today. It does not make sense to say business majors And dumb people, really, does it? How patronizing. I am sure you don’t mean to be. I have known police officers, estate lawyers, accountants, and business majors with EI, doctors, writers, without.

Anyway, not a good to time to write off people by majors, occupations, or even, I believe, prior positions on the political spectrum. One of Obama's strengths was that he didn’t do this, clinging to
guns and religion remark at a fundraiser, notwithstanding. In addressing the American people, in making appeals for his election, he didn’t exclude; rather, he was inclusive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Oregon1947

(43 posts)
32. Just the start! Her lead over Biden will grow in the next month.NM
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:09 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,096 posts)
35. No question... she has stopped the Joe-mentum in only a short few months.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:15 AM
Sep 2019

The polls tell the story... good for her!! So damn proud of the campaign Elizabeth is running!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,221 posts)
92. It's one poll... the others really haven't moved
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 07:08 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,082 posts)
63. This one poll is good news, but the RCL average still has Biden ahead by 7.3%
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:21 AM
Sep 2019


And to think, so many people wrote off Warren when she released her DNA analysis and decided she was unlikeable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
72. RCP average is over long time span,
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:31 PM
Sep 2019

As more newer polls come in, the average will change.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

True Dough

(16,932 posts)
103. That lead has been in steady decline
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:54 PM
Sep 2019

There's no indication Warren's rise is about to abate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Politicub

(12,158 posts)
70. Warren is ahead and I'm here for it
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:54 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
73. We're going to lose :(
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:41 PM
Sep 2019

Love Warren, but she can't win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
74. Give reasons instead of a statement without evidence...eom
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:31 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,221 posts)
93. Reasons
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 07:12 AM
Sep 2019

Last edited Sat Sep 28, 2019, 03:44 PM - Edit history (1)

M4a is losing popularity and when she finally divulges what the tax bill will be it will be the death Nell

She is still not polling well with the AA voting block. Biden still holds 46% average in most polls. Can’t win the general without it

She will not be competitive in The rust belt, AZ, TX, or FL

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DrFunkenstein

(8,745 posts)
94. Are You Suggesting That AA Will Sit Out Against Trump?
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 07:38 AM
Sep 2019

Because they just love Joe Biden so much?

I hate to tell you this, but that AA support isn't nearly as deep as you'd like us to imagine.

As for M4A, here's Warren earlier this year:

"I’ve signed onto Medicare for All. I’ve signed on to another one that gives an option for buying in to Medicaid. There are different ways we can get there. But the key has to be always keep the center of the bullseye in mind. And that is affordable health care for every American. "

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,221 posts)
96. South Carolina is the bellwether for the AA voting block, so yes his support is quite deep
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 08:02 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
99. Healthcare costs are #1 cause of family bankruptcies
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:25 PM
Sep 2019

People are looking for solutions. ANY solution which gives them HOPE will be popular.
I see every reason why voters will go along with any serious overhaul of healthcare.
Surely there are some who like their current healthcare insurance. They too will
change their minds once all the facts are explained to them.

Some numbers to add up:
1. profits by health insurers
2. executive compensation packages of health isurers
3. salaries and benefits of millions of staff working at health insurers
4. office staff maintained by doctors to handle paper work for private health insurance
5. Hours spent by billing staff in doctor's offices haggling with insurance companies
(my own wife spent a life long career in medical billing, and she should write a book about the denials, tricks, delays, excuses she had to deal with private health insurance)

Above costs are just the start of hidden cost of private health insurance.
All those dollars can make M4A cost effective AND there will be no one left out!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

True Dough

(16,932 posts)
104. We sure won't win
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:55 PM
Sep 2019

with defeatists attitudes!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
121. Attitude has nothing to do with it
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 07:56 AM
Sep 2019

I love Elizabeth Warren, but she cannot win PA, MI, and WI, and it's fantasy to think otherwise.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Dough

(16,932 posts)
122. Have you not noticed that polls change?
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 08:17 AM
Sep 2019

There's a long way to go in this primary let alone the presidential election. Support can shift.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
123. Wishful thinking; this election is do or die, and we're thowing it away
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 12:24 PM
Sep 2019

I'll vote for Warren i we nominate her, but Trump will win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Dough

(16,932 posts)
124. Trump is throwing it away
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 12:32 PM
Sep 2019

The polls also show that several Dem candidates are largely favored over Trump, and that was BEFORE the Ukranian scandal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
126. I dearly hope you're right, but I don't believe it.
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 12:44 PM
Sep 2019

We're taking a terrible, terrible risk.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tirebiter

(2,518 posts)
75. Looks to me like she passed the Bern
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 12:54 AM
Sep 2019

Stopped him in his tracks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
98. Good to see, would be great to see her taking lead in the Battleground though.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:40 AM
Sep 2019

Excepting Bernie, whomever shows strongest in these states has my $$, vote, and volunteer time. Would think we’d all know by now, popular vote does not equal presidency.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1287&thread=282316

My stated support from the beginning was for the candidate that I believe to be most likely to win in 2020. I also state regularly that I'm putting no stock in national matchups since it's painfully obvious we cannot count on these as they reflect the popular vote more than the Electoral college vote. Below is a look at each of the battleground states, and how the most recent matchup polls in those states are looking.

The below is ordered by the number of EC votes given.

Florida - 29 electoral votes - Quinnipiac from June 2019
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2629
Biden: +9 win
Warren: +4 win
Sanders: +6 win

Pennsylvania - 20 Electoral votes - Quinnipiac from May 2019
https://poll.qu.edu/pennsylvania/release-detail?ReleaseID=2620
Biden: +11 win
Warren: +3 win
Sanders: +7 win

Ohio - 18 electoral votes - Quinnipiac from July 2019
https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/oh/oh07252019_omwb36.pdf/
Biden: +8 win
Warren: -1 loss
Sanders: -1 loss

Michigan - 16 Electoral votes - EPIC-MRA August 2019
https://www.woodtv.com/news/elections/mi-poll-dems-top-trump-but-undecideds-could-tip-scale/
Biden: +10 win
Warren: +6 win
Sanders: +4 win

Arizona - 11 electoral votes - OH Predictive insights from August 2019
https://ohpredictive.com/press-releases/poll-trumps-job-approval-decreases/
Biden: +2 win
Warren: -1 loss
Sanders: -10 loss

Wisconsin: 10 Electoral votes - Marquette from August 2019
https://law.marquette.edu/poll/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/MLSP53Toplines.pdf
Biden: +9 win
Warren: 0 tie
Sanders: +4 win

The above are all of the most recent polls, that covered matchups between all 3 candidates and Trump at the RCP site.

Below is what the matchup results above would look like on the 270 to win map. If within the margin of error, color remains battleground, if a narrow win light blue, if a solid win (6 points or more) dark blue.

Joe Biden map



Elizabeth Warren map



Bernie Sanders map


Very pleased that when it does come down to the critical states (as of latest matchup polls) all 3 of our front running candidates have the ability to take on Cheetolini!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
105. Are you paying attention to newer polls? Biden is falling behind!
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:58 PM
Sep 2019

The maps you show are based on old polls.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
111. It has been a bit more than a week since I've updated.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 05:16 PM
Sep 2019

Building that thing takes time, I usually pull it together during my lunch hour during the week about 1x ever couple weeks.

I will be very happy with either Biden or Senator Warren, I look forward to putting my next one together.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
112. Me as well, Warren or Biden works for me...eom
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 05:18 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
113. Could I be a bother for some of the newer ones?
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 05:24 PM
Sep 2019

I didn’t do the full charting, but just did a quick run through the 4x biggest of Pennsylvania (no updated poll), Wisconsin (no updated poll), Ohio (no updated poll), Michigan (no updated poll), and Florida. Florida was the only one with an updated poll, and it actually looks like she lost her 4 point lead to a tie now with a Florida atlantic poll added to RCP. I’m not sure I’d put a LOT of stock in the Florida Atlantic one compared to Quinnipiac, but it is the only one I saw right offhand with updated data.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_warren-6844.html

I don’t ask this as a challenge to your assertion, but an earnest interest in being accurate in these critical states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
114. Sorry if I misled you a bit..
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 05:27 PM
Sep 2019

my only point was, Biden is losing ground if only slightly, while Warren seems to be gaining in polls.

So if we wait a month or 2, RCP averages would change.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
102. We will lose if she's the nominee. I would love to see a President Warren.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:51 PM
Sep 2019

TBH she would be my preferred candidate, but she will not win. I can’t believe people are so naive. She will not win. Sheesh people.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
106. She will not win? You have a crystal ball?
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:59 PM
Sep 2019

Or is this simply a seat of the pants observation with no facts to back it up?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
108. No crystal ball just my opinion. How lucky do we feel?
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 02:38 PM
Sep 2019

She will not win. Let’s not be naive. We will lose the rust belt. She will be portrayed as a socialist, school marm. By the time they finish with her some democratic voters will hate her and they won’t even know why.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
110. I hate to break it to you but Biden will be portrayed as
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 04:34 PM
Sep 2019

Obama II, and I can see Trump repeating at every rally "do you want Obama policies repeated?".
And how is Warren a socialist? M4A is already popular in the population with healthcare costs bankrupting more families than any other reason.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
115. African Americans are key. Her support among this critical segment is not strong.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 05:47 PM
Sep 2019

At the end of the day it’s going to be about turnout. Obama II sounds pretty friggin good to AAs, particularly older AAs who are more reliable voters. I’m not arguing whether her policies are socialist it will be easy o portray her as a left coast, egg head socialist school marm. Mainstream America is not going to go for her when they get done with her. She. will. lose. GOP is salivating and hoping she will get the nod.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
117. Yes, she can. She comes across as everyone's favorite high school teacher.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 06:55 PM
Sep 2019

That thing Reagan did, where he made people think he was the dad who really cared about them? She has it too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
116. She reminds voter of their favorite high school teacher.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 06:53 PM
Sep 2019

She could easily win the general. Even sexist assholes have fond memories of their favorite high school teacher. All she has to do is stay positive and her message needs to be "I am here for you."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
118. Hope you're right. I would be thrilled with a Warren presidency but don't see it.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 07:22 PM
Sep 2019

Not in this country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marlakay

(11,310 posts)
125. I almost got into argument
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 12:42 PM
Sep 2019

With my close friend who is a moderate dem. She likes Warren but thinks she can’t win, didn’t matter what I said, but she will vote for any dem who wins primary so I guess thats what counts.

There is a lot of talk about medical being a problem how do I reply back to that? I said I think most Americans paying most of their paychecks for medical insurance should be thrilled!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
128. Disappointing that she could not muster a statement defending Biden against Trump's attempt
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 04:02 PM
Sep 2019

to destroy his candidacy. Yes, she denounced Trump in strong terms, which goes to her credit as it
demonstrates her ability to be tough in a match-up with him. However, unlike several other candidates, even those who have posed serious challenges to Biden, she could not bring herself to
confront Trump on Biden directly.

Trump’s motive for this current bout of lawlessness? To remove a rival. Not mentioning Biden by name, ignoring that Trump’s impeachable offense was spurred by a desire to affect the election, is not the most courageous and confident look.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
129. This will not go unnoticed by the electorate - not cool...
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 04:51 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
131. Biden expects his competition to defend him?
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 05:33 PM
Sep 2019

OKAAAAY! Actually Biden has been remarkably absent from appearing on news networks defending himself. I see Giuliani on every news channel spreading propaganda. Where is Biden? But he wants Warren to spend time on defending him instead of pushing ahead explaining her own agenda! Yeah sure!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
138. He doesn't. I do. And I think many do who will be looking at which candidates could take a break
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 12:28 AM
Sep 2019

from competition to defend a fellow Democrat, not only a rival, against a corrupt and anti-democratic attack. Trump will not stop at Biden.

Does Warren think herself immune? Is her personal political agenda more important than principal? The principal other candidates can see is that in attacking one, Trump attacks all.

That Warren does not see this suggests a blind spot, glaring in that most of the field were well able to pursue their agendas, yet at the same time speak out for one of their own, thus transcending self-interest and rivalry to make a show of unity and strength which Warren and Sanders alone seem oddly cold to.

Their silence is the opposite of big and bold.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
139. Your concern for senator Warren is noted...eom
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 08:06 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

onetexan

(12,924 posts)
130. surpassing Joe in 2 polls isn't ascendancy
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 04:55 PM
Sep 2019

article wording makes it sound like Warren is ahead of Biden in most polls. humbug.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
132. It is news because it is NEW!
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 05:36 PM
Sep 2019

Warren or anyone else has not led Biden for months. So this is newsworthy now. It does NOT say Warren is ahead in all polls. It says Warren has gone ahead of Biden in THIS PARTICULAR poll. You are unhappy about that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

onetexan

(12,924 posts)
133. Irrelevant whether i'm unhappy about it or not. The point is it's inaccurate to use words like
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 05:43 PM
Sep 2019

ascendancy when she's only been ahead in 2 polls so far, new or not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
134. Keep in mind....
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 05:51 PM
Sep 2019

Every long journey begins with one step.
Rome was not built in one day.
WWII was won by winning one battle at a time.

By the way where is Joe defending himself against Trump campaign spreading propaganda about Biden's so called Ukraine scandal?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

onetexan

(12,924 posts)
135. Biden doesn't need to defend himself against the lies the Idiot & his ilk. The media is doing that
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 05:58 PM
Sep 2019

in case you haven't noticed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,106 posts)
136. You want to depend on media to defend the candidate?
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 06:15 PM
Sep 2019

Good luck with that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

onetexan

(12,924 posts)
137. do your homework before you make statements like that. There's been several posts here mentioning
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 06:33 PM
Sep 2019

news anchors have shut down trump apologists for spreading lies. Being a little more informed would help in your case.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Butterflylady

(3,488 posts)
140. I remember when Sanders was the new shiny toy
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 11:12 AM
Sep 2019

Didn't turn into votes, now did it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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