Congressman Max Rose Diminishes Major Wins in Texas so he can crap on Beto

[liskddksil]

2 Congressional flips that have real life consequences for the people of Texas and America, as well as numerous local seats that are now Blue because of the work Beto put in when no-one else would step up to the plate (looking at you Castro brothers...). Max Rose you don't know how this works and you should shut up.

Link to tweet

[TidalWave46]

1. "I have zero allegiance to the Democratic Party." Max Rose NT

[Jake Stern]

2. I agree 100% with Max Rose

Beto is going to help torpedo us in 2020 with his big mouth. Oh he'll get the progressives on his side but turn off a metric shit ton of independents in places like North Carolina. Ohio and Kentucky - the ones we're going to need to win in 2020.

The GOP is going to run his words 24/7 until election day and from what I've seen many of these races (including important ones like unseating Republican governor Bevin in Kentucky and Senator Barr in North Carolina) are going to come down to single digit wins which means the right only has to convince a couple thousand voters to vote for them in order to deny Dems a victory.

[liskddksil]

3. Stop worrying about these losers who'll never vote for us anyway. Start changing the polls!

Show some balls and be Democrats. The polls are on our side in terms of mandatory buybacks.

[TidalWave46]

9. "Show some balls and be Democrats."

Balls are fragile and weak. But I agree with your overall point. I won't be voting for Beto but do support him and the manner in which he is campaigning.

[George II]

4. How did he "diminish" major wins in Texas? He never even talks about any Texas elections....

....in that article, unless I missed it.

But most of what he says in that article in correct, especially that second paragraph in the tweet above.

[liskddksil]

5. Without the work that Beto put in by showing up everywhere we not have

turned Texas Blue to the extent we did in 2018.

[George II]

6. That has nothing to do with what Rose is talking about in the article.

[liskddksil]

7. Yes it does

The congressman says he doesn't want to be the party of Beto O'Rourke. That means he doesn't believe in Beto's approach to showing up everywhere, bringing people into the conversation and taking no-one for granted. Beto put that into action by visiting all of Texas's counties and relentlessly campaigning in each one on a bold progressive agenda, that included a ban on future sales of weapons of war. While he do not win, turnout surged to record levels for a midterm election and with that 2 Congressional seats flipped, 17 African American women were elected to judicial positions. His campaign helped make that happen and which is why we need him at the top of the ticket to help turn Texas and its 38 electoral votes Blue.

[George II]

10. Everything that you say after "That means...." is your own interpretation of what he said....

And it's NOT what he said at all.

[liskddksil]

24. Then why even bring up Beto? He just wanted to pick a fight

and I will not stand to have my candidate lectured by someone who claims "he has zero allegiance to the Democratic Party".

[liskddksil]

8. Oh and by his logic, are Stacy Abrams and Andrew Gillum also losers? nt

[dalton99a]

12. Max Rose refused to support the impeachment inquiry until last week.

'Nuf said

[liskddksil]

13. A real weather-vane if I ever saw one nt

[dalton99a]

14. As worthless as they come

[Cha]

37. wow.. he's finally on board? I'm

shocked seriously. when you've lost max rose..

[Celerity]

15. he seems nice

(and yes, I understand he is in a deep red district and is probably the only one atm who can hold it, and no, this is not about the Beto thang)

That rising generation of millennial activists rattling the cages of the body politic? A few “privileged hipster socialists living in gentrified neighborhoods.”

After leaving a Federation of Italian-American Organizations fundraising brunch at a catering hall in Dyker Heights, he asks, “Have you ever seen so many men kissing other men before?”

When an aide makes an off-color joke that doesn’t land, Rose chastises him, “Listen, fuck-nuts, you have to say ‘off the record’ first, do you know that? Otherwise you are going to end up like Anthony Scaramucci.”

(instead of saying something that probably was racist or homophobic or sexist or some combo is simply WRONG)

.......the feckless Democrats, who among other things, pledged in 2018 to not vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker, but then were cowed by pressure and did so on their first day in office. Rose didn’t. “And it took me four months to get the five-inch heel out of my ass,” he says.

Again, I hope he wins reelection, but he needs to chillax on the casual homophobia and tolerance of fucked up jokes (whatever it was, as 'off-colour' these days means a bad thing 99.9% of the time.) Also not every young progressive is some 'hipster' in a overpriced flat. That is a RW meme and a dismissive broadbrush.

Finally, and not nearly as important...

He also needs to drink better beer, roflmaoooooo.

Jody’s Club Forest, a Staten Island bar he famously frequents, drinking pitchers of Bud Light.

Bud Light is pish.

Oh, wait, I guess that makes me a gentrified hipster.

[Turin_C3PO]

18. Fuck that guy.

I guess he’s the only Dem who can win in that district but damn. We need someone else in his spot.

[beastie boy]

16. Even Beto wouldn't disagree that you can't do a fucking thing if you don't win.

I hope you don't disagree with Max on this point.

I see nothing in Rose's quote that diminishes major wins in Texas. And I find it hard to argue with his point: Beto's loss is indeed uncool.

Having said this, I still think Beto is cool, his shortcomings notwithstanding.

[liskddksil]

17. Then he she should say the same thing about Stacy Abrams and Andrew Gillum

come on Max, say it.

[beastie boy]

20. Does context mean anything anymore? Neither Gillum nor Abrams are running for President.

Neither one of them, and this is the point, are making their respective losses seem cool. They both have just the right amount of humility to acknowledge, at least publicly, that they would have been a lot cooler if they won. Something that Rose doesn't believe Beto has an awareness of.

And I am sure he will say it again, in a different context: you can't accomplish a fucking thing if you don't win.

[liskddksil]

22. Where has Beto said it was cool that he lost? He's hasn't.

He is saying that good things happened in Texas in 2018 because of the campaign he ran.

[beastie boy]

29. He hasn't. And neither Rose nor I said he has.

Rose took issue with Beto over his definition of good things happening in Texas. According to Rose, winning is a good thing and losing is not. To Rose, good things is defined by tangible results. I guess he doesn't see Beto running for President as a tangible result.

[liskddksil]

30. 2 congressional flips and 17 African American judges is a tangible result

Should I draw a diagram?

Beto's Relentless 250 County Campaign ----->> Positive Outcomes

[beastie boy]

33. What were Beto's contributions to those victories?

Did he campaign for the victors? Did his campaign contribute, either logistically or financially or otherwise, to the victors? I am assuming he endorsed all Democrats, both the winners and the losers, because if he didn't, that would be really embarrassing.

Yes, please, draw a diagram. I want to see just how direct Beto's contributions were. It's fine when you support your candidate, but not when you belittle the efforts of the people who actually won their hard fought fights.

On edit: And one more time, just what in Rose's quote makes you think HE belittled those victories?

[liskddksil]

36. He brought voters to the polls at record levels across the State

and provided the coat-tails for those candidates to win. Some stats about young voter turnout in particular here:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/Did-Beto-O-Rourke-help-fuel-a-huge-increase-in-14067697.php

No-one is belittling those winning candidates, and they acnowledge that Beto was a big help. "Obviously, we benefited from straight-ticket voting," Judge Shannon Baldwin says. "Even more so, we benefited from Beto O'Rourke and what he was able to accomplish in Harris County. But let it not go unnoticed that the 19 worked exceptionally hard."

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/685815783/meet-black-girl-magic-the-19-african-american-women-elected-as-judges-in-texas

I'm saying that Rose is being dishonest that Beto's efforts in Texas were a loss. Its going to take years of work to turn the tide of more than 40 years of Republican rule but we need to acknowledge that a lot of progress is made, so much so that politicians in both parties are now treating Texas as a serious battle ground.

[brooklynite]

19. One of these two won a race in a Trump-friendly district...one did not.

[liskddksil]

21. Not even close to comparable races. One ran in blue NYC in a district

that had a 3 point Trump advantage in 2016, against an unpopular incumbent after a bitter GOP primary. That was small-potatoes. Beto campaigned across one of the largest states in the Country with a massive GOP advantage against Ted Cruz who was still more popular in Texas than Trump. Beto went everywhere and did the work all the while speaking out on a bold progressive agenda.

[brooklynite]

23. NYC is Blue...Staten Island is most definitely not.

[liskddksil]

25. There is other parts of the city in his District nt

[brooklynite]

27. Bay Ridge Brooklyn is also not a safe AOC-type district

[liskddksil]

28. I didn't say it was an AOC district, but its certainly not Texas nt

[George II]

26. Your own New Yorker article points out how red that District is:

To call Rose’s district a swing seat is to understate the case. In 2013, Bill de Blasio beat his Republican opponent by 49 points citywide, but he lost in Staten Island. In 2014, a Republican facing a 20-count federal indictment who had been abandoned by the national party beat his vastly better-funded Democratic challenger by 12 points. Obama won the district twice, but Republicans have had a lock on the borough president’s office and held Rose’s congressional seat for 38 years, with only a single two-year interruption, until Rose won it with relative ease last November.

[liskddksil]

31. Still only a 3 point Trump victory, so much easier than turning Texas blue nt

[George II]

32. That's cherry picked - how about De Blasio winning the city by 49% but losing the district?

[peggysue2]

34. I read the whole article because I was intrigued by the clip

I thought from the tone of it that Rose was stewing over a specific, personal beef with O'Rourke. But it's much wider, more general than that, this whole thing about winning and losing, that the way you have a real impact, the way you change things in people's lives is through action, as in legislative action. You have to win in order to do that.

As for the rest? This guy's personality jumps off the page and I suspect he's a good match for his district. Gotta have the poets and the rabble rousers for balance. And the Democratic Party? It's a big, wide-open tent!

[Dem4Life1102]

35. Max Rose is my Representative

I live in the Brooklyn part of the district which is much more Democratic than Staten Island. Everyone here hates him. We voted for a Democrat and got a Republican instead. The hope is that after reapportionment the Brooklyn portion of this district will grow big enough that Rose can be primaried and replaced with a real Democrat.

[Blue_true]

38. Max Rose made a mistake in not admitting that Beto's race in Texas brought out a lot of new voters.

Those voters helped in some House race wins.

But I agree with Rose's central point. If we don't win House AND Senate races all over the country, we can't do shit to reverse the decline we are now in. Sinema ran a perfect race in Arizona, she tuned her message to the voters of her state, not outsiders. How she ran her statewide race is how we win in North Dakota, Montana, North Carolina, Georgia, etc. So on the larger point, Max Rose is exactly on target.