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Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:52 PM

 

Noam Chomsky: Bernie Sanders 'Has Absolutely Infuriated The Liberal Establishment'


"“He has absolutely infuriated the liberal establishment by committing a major crime,” Chomsky said, explaining that the Democratic elite is not opposed to Sanders just because they don’t like his policies, but because he has managed to build a powerful movement of activists willing to participate in the political process.

“His crime was to organize an ongoing political movement that doesn’t just show up at the polls every four years and push a button, but keeps working. That’s no good. The rabble is supposed to stay home.”


"... But, according to Chomsky, the term (socialist) has been rendered meaningless. In the United States, he said, it is understood as New Deal liberalism promoted by Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Sanders is neither a socialist nor a democratic socialist, Chomsky argued, but a progressive, New Deal Democrat, whose policies would not be considered out of the ordinary in the 1950s, not even by Republicans such as Dwight D. Eisenhower.

“To be quite frank, his major policies would not have surprised President Eisenhower very much,” the political commentator noted, explaining that Sanders’ proposals are considered radical by the political mainstream because both parties have “shifted so far to the right.”


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Turin_C3PO Nov 2019 #1
Fresh_Start Nov 2019 #2
Skidmore Nov 2019 #4
Hortensis Nov 2019 #19
ehrnst Nov 2019 #28
RobertDevereaux Nov 2019 #3
redqueen Nov 2019 #52
George II Nov 2019 #5
Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #10
Hav Nov 2019 #34
Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #38
Hav Nov 2019 #39
LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #6
emmaverybo Nov 2019 #12
dalton99a Nov 2019 #49
InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #7
Dream Girl Nov 2019 #51
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comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #8
Celerity Nov 2019 #23
redqueen Nov 2019 #53
BootinUp Nov 2019 #26
ehrnst Nov 2019 #29
Kurt V. Nov 2019 #31
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Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #11
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Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #40
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:55 PM

1. That's complete bullshit.

 

The “liberal establishment “ is certainly not against grass-roots activism/donors, etc.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:07 PM

4. Exactly,

 

any more than this so-called liberal establishment are not for progress as a society. The 'establishment' is a word bandied around so much that it loses meaning as well.



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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:03 PM

19. The "liberal establishment" ARE the majority "grass roots" Democrats.

 

Just who have been sending years of small donations we can afford to candidates we like, and then of course voting our choices, taking time out of our workdays and away from our many chores at home and raising our children to do so?

By definition though, WE don't accept "noun, verb, REVOLUTION" as the explanation of how demagogic promises might be transformed into reality. We insist on achievable goals, and on knowing what they are, complete with boring details.

And, of course: defeating ourselves (i.e., the "liberal establishment" aka the Democratic electorate) is never among our goals.

Btw, politically, Chomsky's a profoundly dishonest and incompetent ass who seemingly never regrets that his acting out every election always helps elect Republicans. A compelling pattern that tells truths that hypocrites like him never do.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:39 PM

28. +1000. (nt)

 

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:00 PM

3. Thanks for posting this, billpolonsky.

 

“The current moment, not just political, is the most grim moment in human history. We are now in a situation where this generation, in fact, in the next few years, is going to have to make a decision of cosmic significance which has never arisen before: Will organized human society survive? And there are two enormous threats. The threat of environmental catastrophe, which at least is getting some attention, not enough. The other is the threat of nuclear war, which is increasing sharply by the Trump administration, in fact. These have to be dealt with quickly. Otherwise, there’s nothing to talk about.

“And notice that the wrecking ball in the White House just doesn’t give a damn. He’s having fun. He’s serving his rich constituency. So what the hell, let’s destroy the world. And it’s not that they don’t know it. Some months ago, maybe a year ago by now, one of the Trump bureaucracies the National Transportation Administration came out with what I think is the most astonishing document in the entire history of the human species. It got almost no attention. It was a long 500-page environmental assessment in which they tried to determine what the environment would be like at the end of the century. And they concluded, by the end of the century, temperatures will have risen seven degrees Fahrenheit, that’s about twice the level that scientists regard as feasible for organized human life. The World Bank describes it as cataclysmic. So what’s their conclusion? Conclusion is we should have no more constraints on automotive emissions. The reasoning is very solid. We’re going off the cliff anyway. So why not have fun? Has anything like that ever appeared in human history? There’s nothing like it.”
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Response to RobertDevereaux (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:55 PM

52. Wow.

 

Just wow.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:09 PM

5. Sorry Mr. Chomsky, in his own words:

 

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Response to George II (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:39 PM

10. My 2 year old niece thought she was a cat.

 

Similarly, Trump calls himself a stable genius. Neither of these things are true simply because the person thinks it is. There are other fundamental elements that go into what these things are, and none of them apply to my niece, the president, or sanders. Regardless of how many times they have claimed it. Oh, and North Korea calls themselves a democracy! I'm sure that one's gotta be true cause they said so, and labels carry a lot of weight on determining what is true!
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:40 PM

34. You are comparing Bernie's ability

 

to describe his own political beliefs with a two year old, a deranged and mentally unstable narcissist and a dictatorship led by another delusional crackpot?
Bernie isn't my preferred candidate but I'd say I have much more faith in him than you.
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Response to Hav (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:13 PM

38. I'm saying sometimes labels are inaccurate

 

Wouldnt you agree? Or is N. Korea a democracy like they say it is?

If not, then I question what else Bernie has said that you believe, since he is such a reliable source of information to you. Do you believe that he is the best person to beat Trump? If you believe he is a socialist just cause he said, surely you can believe all the other things based on his word, right?
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:35 PM

39. I just didn't understand the need for these kind of comparisons

 

as they were rather to the disadvantage of Bernie. I suppose that as the grown man that he was at that time that he believed what he said he believed. NK is a severe case of propaganda and delusion. Can the same be said about Bernie?

"I question what else Bernie has said that you believe"

As long as it's about the topic I consider him to be truthful. I think he has been consistently right for decades about healthcare. I don't know whether his idea to solve it is the right path, just that he always saw the need to improve it and that it's an honest issue of interest for him.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:09 PM

6. Complete nonsense; he has infuriated people with common sense who don't buy his

 

pie-in-the-sky revolution garbage, his lifetime of attacks against the Democratic party, and his complicity in the election of Donald Trump.
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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:52 PM

12. +1000

 

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 2, 2019, 11:43 AM

49. +1. Part-time Democrats will get my part-time support

 

for one millisecond on February 29th of every leap year


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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:19 PM

7. Chomsky nails it again... thanks for the post Bill!!

 


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:49 PM

51. And then we get Trump/Haley...

 

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Response to Dream Girl (Reply #51)

Sat Nov 2, 2019, 06:34 PM

56. Keep dreamin'...

 


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:20 PM

8. The Intercept is almost as absurd as Jacobin...

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:25 PM

23. lol, laughable, they did THE definitive debunking of the the RW Biden smears, you are doing nothing

 

but jumping on some plazzy binary-thinking bandwagon that tragically tosses deep investigative reporting into a simplistic bin, all in favour of a saccharine soundbite culture that debases American political discourse into a shallow and tawdry mudfight devoid of most all complex thought. I myself to not want to live in such a zeitgeist, as it leads to 'Idiocracy'-style outcomes and lessens humanity's fight to rise up above the brutal, power-scrum as a whole.

But hey, that is just me......


A Republican Conspiracy Theory About a Biden-in-Ukraine Scandal Has Gone Mainstream. But It Is Not True.

https://theintercept.com/2019/05/10/rumors-joe-biden-scandal-ukraine-absolute-nonsense-reformer-says/

VIRAL RUMORS THAT Joe Biden abused his power as vice president to protect his son’s business interests in Ukraine in 2016, which spread last week from the pro-Trump media ecosystem to the New York Times, are “absolute nonsense,” according to Ukraine’s leading anti-corruption activist. That evaluation is backed by foreign correspondents in Kiev and a former official with knowledge of Biden’s outreach to Ukraine after President Viktor Yanukovych was deposed in a popular uprising in 2014.

In an interview with The Intercept, Daria Kaleniuk, an American-educated lawyer who founded Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, expressed frustration that two recent front-page stories in the New York Times, on how the conspiracy theory is being used to attack Biden, failed to properly debunk the false accusation. According to Kaleniuk, and a former anti-corruption prosecutor, there is simply no truth to the rumor now spreading like wildfire across the internet. The accusation is that Biden blackmailed Ukraine’s new leaders into firing the country’s chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, to derail an investigation he was leading into a Ukrainian gas company that the vice president’s son, Hunter, was paid to advise. The truth, Kaleniuk said, is that Shokin was forced from office at Biden’s urging because he had failed to conduct thorough investigations of corruption, and had stifled efforts to investigate embezzlement and misconduct by public officials following the 2014 uprising.

Properly debunking this particular conspiracy theory is easier said than done, though, since it is set in Ukraine, a country with byzantine political intrigue at the best of times, and these are not the best of times. The rivalries between political factions in Kyiv are so intense that even the country’s new anti-corruption agencies are at each other’s throats. There is no question that Biden did, during a visit to Kyiv in late 2015, threaten to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees unless Shokin was dismissed. But the vice president, who was leading the Obama administration’s effort to fight corruption in Ukraine, did the country a favor by hastening Shokin’s departure, Kaleniuk said, since he had failed to properly investigate corrupt officials.

“Shokin was fired because he attacked the reformers within the prosecutor general’s office,” Kaleniuk said, “reformers who tried to investigate corrupt prosecutors.” As Andrew Kramer explained in the New York Times when Shokin was finally dismissed in 2016, Biden had acted as the point man for a coordinated international effort:

The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power. As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”


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Response to Celerity (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 2, 2019, 06:00 PM

53. !!!

 

jumping on some plazzy binary-thinking bandwagon that tragically tosses deep investigative reporting into a simplistic bin, all in favour of a saccharine soundbite culture that debases American political discourse into a shallow and tawdry mudfight devoid of most all complex thought. I myself to not want to live in such a zeitgeist, as it leads to 'Idiocracy'-style outcomes and lessens humanity's fight to rise up above the brutal, power-scrum as a whole.


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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:29 PM

26. I'd pertymuch forgotten Jacobin, thanks! /sarcasm

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:40 PM

29. If not more so... (nt)

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:32 PM

31. the intercept has top notch journalists and do great reporting ( greenwald aside )

 

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:43 PM

35. The "Greenwald aside" part is hard for me, but to each his own...

 

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:41 PM

11. Chomsky is a reputed scholar with a far broader understanding of these issues than most people.

 

AndI find his observations to ring true in many ways.
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:24 PM

13. Really?

 

Like being an apologist for Pol Pot, Milosevic, and Gaddafi?
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Response to nycbos (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:38 PM

15. Citation needed.

 

Critically assessing flawed us foreign policy is far from being an apologist to genocidal dictators. Thats a new one to me.
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:51 PM

16. Several

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Chomsky_and_Herman


https://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/16/bosnias-genocide-deniers-challenged/

And in manufacturing consent he talked about how negative stuff about Gaddafi was "western propaganda' Of course this overlooks terrorism around the globe including links to PAM AM.
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Response to nycbos (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:57 PM

18. Again being critical of US foreign policies and actions is not being an apologist to genocidal

 

dictators.
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:15 PM

20. Being critical of US foreign policies isn't

 

But that is not what Chomsky does. He overlooks the mass graves of the Khmer Rouge, or the Srebrenica massacre.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/503863-my-quarrel-with-chomsky-goes-back-to-the-balkan-wars

He like many on the far left takes the anti western side. Even if it means siding with the perpetrators of a genocide.


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Response to nycbos (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:19 PM

21. He looks at it from a certain view, but I'm sure if you asked him whether these were bad people he

 

would not disagree. Which would be difficult for him if he was actually an apologist to these people.
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:53 PM

17. I assume you mean "reputable".

 

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:26 PM

14. Help help I'm being repressed.

 

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:20 PM

22. Oh, the Intercept is being St. Bern's pro bono PR firm again

 

or in other words, it's a day ending in 'y'...

This is the part where I remind everyone for the nth time that St. Bern and his people for all their high-minded talk didn't lift a fucking finger to help us in Virginia in 2017 and they're doing fuck-all to help us now. But you won't find that little tidbit on the pages of the Putincept...

P.S.: Minus five points for Noam still using that tired-ass, worn out "ESTABLISHMENT!!" epithet.

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:44 PM

24. Chomsky has become the ultimate broken record

 

I don’t even have to pay attention anymore to follow him.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:33 PM

32. lol

 

smh@Chomsky.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:19 PM

25. Chomsky...

 

...nails it...he speaks the truth...

"...a progressive, New Deal Democrat, whose policies would not be considered out of the ordinary in the 1950s, not even by Republicans..."

...absolutely true...who could argue with that?


"Has Absolutely Infuriated The Liberal Establishment"

...and this is a bad thing?


...think , love and vote Bernie...

...I'm telling ya, we can do it...



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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:35 PM

27. If after 40 or so years in public life, you have not reshaped the "liberal establishment" into

 

something better, you haven't been very effective.

The point of fighting the "Establishment" is not to get rid of an establishment but to ESTABLISH a new way of doing things. If you've spent your whole career railing against the "Establishment" but after all this time, you haven't been successful in replacing with a new, improved way of doing things, it's kind of hard to argue that you should be put in charge to fix things.

I just don't have a lot of patience for people who are still on the outside yelling about what's happening on the inside while criticizing those who DID manage to get on the inside and are trying to push and pull and change things from within, while people who haven;t been very effective at changing anything stand out on the lawn screaming at them about how they're not doing it right.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:01 PM

37. income inequality, climate change and dark money haven't got better in the last 40 years.

 

Sanders is hardly the only one that hasn't been very effective. i'd like to see a new direction.
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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:36 PM

40. + everything

 

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:49 PM

42. Well said. nt

 

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 08:39 PM

43. You utterly missed the point of my post

 

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Sat Nov 2, 2019, 06:05 PM

54. +1000

 

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:44 PM

30. Nope. That ain't it

 

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:34 PM

33. he's not wrong about that. lol.

 

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:59 PM

36. Kicked and recommended.

 

Thanks for the thread billpolonsky.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:48 PM

41. Of course. Spot on. nt

 

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 08:46 PM

44. They really like promoting the idea that people are scared of them.

 

Chomsky was a fellow at the Sanders Institute. They should have to put a value on this piece and enter it as a campaign contribution.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2019, 12:50 AM

45. Noam Chomsky endorses Jill Stein for President before MA primary

 

If progressive, means attacking Democrats and pushing the Green Party, the no thank you.

http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2012/03/05/noam-chomsky-endorses-jill-stein-in-ma-presidential-primary/

The Jill Stein for President campaign has confirmed on its facebook page that Noam Chomsky, world-famous linguist and political analyst, has endorsed Dr. Stein in the Massachusetts Green-Rainbow Party primary on Tuesday, March 6th. Here is the text of Chomsky’s public statement:

“Dear friends, I hope you’ll take the opportunity of the March 6th Green-Rainbow primary to cast a vote for resurgent democracy. A democracy that thrives outside of the Democratic and Republican Parties that are sponsored by and subservient to corporate America. And I hope you will consider joining me in supporting Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein – both with your vote and with a contribution to her campaign for people, peace and the planet.As you know, popular anger at the political and economic institutions, and the subordination of the former to the latter, has reached historic heights. And for sound reasons. There could hardly be a better time to open up the political debate to the just anger and frustrations of citizens who are watching the country move towards what might be irreversible decline while a tiny sector of concentrated wealth and power implements policies of benefit to them and opposed by the general population, whom they are casting adrift.

Jill Stein’s campaign is unifying the national Green Party, and ensuring that an urgently needed voice for democracy and justice will have a place on the ballot in the November election. Please join me in supporting Jill on March 6, and securing a voice foe a peaceful, just, green future in the presidential race.”
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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #45)

Sat Nov 2, 2019, 11:40 AM

48. +1.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #45)

Sat Nov 2, 2019, 05:46 PM

50. To be fair

 

he did later say the only “rational choice” for swing-state voters is to support Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in the general election.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2019, 12:58 AM

46. Sounds like something from the comment section of Splinter News .

 

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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2019, 07:30 AM

47. Michael Moore on Noam Chomsky:

 

"I once heard the the linguist and political writer Noam Chomsky say that if you want proof that the American people aren't stupid, just turn on any sports talk radio show and listen to the incredible retention of facts. It is amazing -- and it's proof that the American mind is alive and well. It just isn't challenged with anything interesting or exciting. Our challenge, Chomsky said, was to find a way to make politics as gripping and engaging as sports. When we do that, watch how Americans will do nothing but who did what to whom at the WTO."

Well, here we are at politics being gripping and engaging and interesting and exciting. And? Both-sides-blame-Democrats-bullshit.
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Response to billpolonsky (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2019, 06:30 PM

55. What is the liberal establishment? Does it hold regular meetings?

 

Is there a secret handshake?

Because I would like to join.
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