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Elizabeth Warren: My goal is to get elected--but I plan to be the last (Original Post) BeckyDem Dec 2019 OP
Good luck getting a constitutional amendment through The Mouth Dec 2019 #1
Exactly customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #4
Exactly what I was going to say. redqueen Dec 2019 #9
She's full of great ideas that have zero chance of happening. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2019 #2
The Electoral College is the only constitutionally mandated safeguard against a fraudulent vote LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #3
Don't let the naysayers BlueMTexpat Dec 2019 #5
I won't! BeckyDem Dec 2019 #6
Their "reasoning" is worse than even their negativity. n/t MarcA Dec 2019 #7
True! BlueMTexpat Dec 2019 #24
Ummmmmm boomer_wv Dec 2019 #8
It really lowers my opinion of her. The Mouth Dec 2019 #10
Link? crazytown Dec 2019 #12
I think so The Mouth Dec 2019 #13
Not me. I've always liked her. redqueen Dec 2019 #14
I still like her The Mouth Dec 2019 #17
IOW it's a politician doing what politicians do. redqueen Dec 2019 #18
Puzzling, in this case, though The Mouth Dec 2019 #19
I see your point now. redqueen Dec 2019 #20
This boomer_wv Dec 2019 #23
Think acceptable. Seek consensus. Keep the status quo. crazytown Dec 2019 #11
+1 BeckyDem Dec 2019 #16
I plan on driving to Burger King, but I plan Renew Deal Dec 2019 #15
that's a bit too much for so short a time treestar Dec 2019 #21
She knows very well how impossible it would be to get that constitutional amendment highplainsdem Dec 2019 #22
 

The Mouth

(3,149 posts)
1. Good luck getting a constitutional amendment through
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 09:57 AM
Dec 2019

Most of the states that would have to approve would lose influence.

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customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
4. Exactly
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 11:00 AM
Dec 2019

This is just another promise EW knows she can't keep, but still uses to gin up excitement for her campaign.

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
9. Exactly what I was going to say.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 02:48 PM
Dec 2019

What a weird thing to claim.

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BlueTsunami2018

(3,491 posts)
2. She's full of great ideas that have zero chance of happening.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 09:58 AM
Dec 2019

There’s absolutely no way this is enacted. The Republicans would never win another Presidential election.

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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
3. The Electoral College is the only constitutionally mandated safeguard against a fraudulent vote
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:16 AM
Dec 2019

It's not enough just to eliminate it; you have to create some sort of constitutional review process for elections. That, in my opinion, will make crafting of a passable amendment impossible.

The problems are suppression and gerrymandering.

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BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
5. Don't let the naysayers
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 11:08 AM
Dec 2019

get to you!

Elizabeth doesn't!

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MarcA

(2,195 posts)
7. Their "reasoning" is worse than even their negativity. n/t
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:06 PM
Dec 2019
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BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
24. True!
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:06 AM
Dec 2019

But don't let either get you down!

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boomer_wv

(673 posts)
8. Ummmmmm
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 02:42 PM
Dec 2019

Wasnt she a constitutional law professor? I'm pretty sure she is aware that the electoral college is constitutionally mandated and would need ratification to pass. That is essentially impossible since a number of those states would be harming themselves to do so.

This is typical Warren. She is making promises she knows she cant possibly keep and hoping everyone is too stupid to realize it.

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The Mouth

(3,149 posts)
10. It really lowers my opinion of her.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 04:42 PM
Dec 2019

Anyone who thinks the Electoral College is going to go away is an idiot.

ANYONE.

It isn't happening.

It would be like Yang saying that 2+2 =5. I'd be going 'WTF? you know better than that, and anyone who isn't either illiterate or really, really stupid does too!"

I get WHY she, and many hate it, I like a lot of her plans and used to think she was pretty smart.

Really simple:

All 27 Amendments have been ratified after two-thirds of the House and Senate approve of the proposal and send it to the states for a vote. Then, three-fourths of the states must affirm the proposed Amendment.

TWO THIRDS of house AND senate
3/4 of the states, including a LOT of small ones who would essenially give up the totality of their influence on the presidential election.


stupid, stupid, stupid.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
12. Link?
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 04:59 PM
Dec 2019

Have you made a positive comment about Elizabeth Warren?

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The Mouth

(3,149 posts)
13. I think so
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 05:27 PM
Dec 2019

She's long been my second choice, after first Pete and then Yang.

She's probably the most knowledgeable person running, and maybe who has ever run, regarding the economy, corporate kleptocracy and how to prevent a future meltdown, which is why I'm really unhappy and frankly surprised she'd say something completely idiotic.

I'm not under the slightest obligation to either have supported her or not.

I'm baffled at why such an intelligent person would not only say something blatantly false, but so blatantly false that anyone not an idiot would know it's false.

I could see needing to simplify a bit if one were talking about macroeconomic arcana, maybe simplifying something that people couldn't understand without an advanced education. But saying something verifiably untrue/impossible of the type that anyone who has the slightest knowledge of the Constitution knows is as untrue as a flat earth?

Strange.

The opinion of anyone regarding the Electoral College matters not at all, any more than you, or I, or Senator Warren can rant and rail against gravity or the laws of thermodynamics.

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
14. Not me. I've always liked her.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 05:59 PM
Dec 2019

But this kind of thing is why she's not my first choice. She is willing to play these rhetorical political games and it is disappointing. She does know better.

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The Mouth

(3,149 posts)
17. I still like her
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 06:30 PM
Dec 2019

Just dismayed and annoyed. She knows better. This isn't Joe mixing up a few words, or Harris coming off like the D.A from hell, this is a highly educated and deeply knowledgeable person saying something that's total bullshit. It would be kind of like Bill Nye saying "there might be something to that flat earth after all"

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
18. IOW it's a politician doing what politicians do.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 06:32 PM
Dec 2019

And a great example of why most people hate them.

That's how I see it at least.

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The Mouth

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19. Puzzling, in this case, though
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 06:43 PM
Dec 2019

It's one thing for even a good person to get pulled away a little in their hype. It's something else for a highly educated person to say something that anyone with a 7th grade education knows is untrue.

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
20. I see your point now.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 06:48 PM
Dec 2019

I was going to say that many people don't seem to get how hard it will be to change it... because of how many people are insisting it be a part of a candidate's policies.

But then having something as a goal is different than giving the impression that it will be done by such and such date... So yeah.... This is worse

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boomer_wv

(673 posts)
23. This
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 12:00 AM
Dec 2019

is about as believable as Trump saying that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. It's nonsense and she knows fully that she can't get it done.

I keep hearing candidates and people here (and Twitter) mocking Biden for saying that he would be able to work with some republicans to pass things, which he was shown he can do before. However, we are expected to just fall in line with people like Warren and Bernie who say they are going to make wholesale changes to everything? How? Magic?

These are things that you know republicans not just won't vote for, but can't vote for. Losing the electoral college would mean that Republicans probably wouldn't have held the Presidency at any point since 1992. Bush would have lost his 1st term and Gore would have had incumbency advantage during his 2nd. It's possible that after all that things would have been so different in 2008 that we couldn't possibly know that Obama would have run or won, but you get the idea. They aren't voting for something that would cost them the WH for a generation, ever.

Unless Warren has some plant to win 67 seats in the Senate, like 300 in the House, and 39 or so state houses, I'm not sure how she plans to get this into the constitution.

I believe that the EC should be abolished, but I also know that it is impossible to do so before 2024, and she knows that too.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
11. Think acceptable. Seek consensus. Keep the status quo.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 04:57 PM
Dec 2019

Sons of silent rage, search through their one inch thoughts then decide it couldn't be done - David Bowie

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Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
15. I plan on driving to Burger King, but I plan
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 06:01 PM
Dec 2019

to be the last person that has to drive. I want my next visit to be via teleporting.

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
21. that's a bit too much for so short a time
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 07:18 PM
Dec 2019

opening herself to failure to keep promises. Even if it happens, it would not be that quick.

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highplainsdem

(48,975 posts)
22. She knows very well how impossible it would be to get that constitutional amendment
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 08:40 PM
Dec 2019

in the foreseeable future, let alone the next presidential term.

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