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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,327 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:46 AM Dec 2019

PETE BUTTIGIEG CRITICIZED BY LGBT MAGAZINE FOR VOLUNTEER WORK WITH 'HOMOPHOBIC' SALVATION ARMY

PETE BUTTIGIEG CRITICIZED BY LGBT MAGAZINE FOR VOLUNTEER WORK WITH 'HOMOPHOBIC' SALVATION ARMY

https://www.newsweek.com/pete-buttigieg-criticized-lgbt-magazine-volunteering-salvation-army-homophobic-1475464

An LGBT magazine has hit out at Democratic 2020 candidate Pete Buttigieg for volunteering with The Salvation Army, accusing the international church and charity group of being "homophobic."

Out magazine wrote that the mayor of South Bend, Indiana "should have supported an organization... created to cater to the needs of queer people" instead of The Salvation Army in a story resurfacing articles on the presidential primary contender volunteering for the charity.

It also reported that Buttigieg, who is himself a member of the gay community, received a "roasting" on social media Tuesday for his volunteering with the church group.
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PETE BUTTIGIEG CRITICIZED BY LGBT MAGAZINE FOR VOLUNTEER WORK WITH 'HOMOPHOBIC' SALVATION ARMY (Original Post) Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 OP
That's pretty sad. Jirel Dec 2019 #1
No LGBT person should support homophobic organizations like the Salvation Army. LonePirate Dec 2019 #2
Nor should any straight person who believes in social justice. (n/t) malchickiwick Dec 2019 #6
Nor should any allies Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #7
Is it "disqualifying!1"? BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #15
. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #22
I hope that you never become homeless. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #81
Fantastic post. MicaelS Dec 2019 #84
Thanks. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #88
Well, I'm gay, and I've seen the good the Salvation Army has done on the ground. cwydro Dec 2019 #43
Right on, cwydro Hekate Dec 2019 #93
I realize that we disagree at times, TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #111
Good for you! I give annually because I took up where my parents left off when they passed. cwydro Dec 2019 #112
Agree 100%... surprised by Mayor Pete, he knows better!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #58
He could blame the media or the polling methodology. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #3
But not enough character to stand up to the Salvation Army & call them out... BuffaloJackalope Dec 2019 #10
So you would prefer that the people who benefit from their services TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #87
That's a false dichotomy, and you know it. BuffaloJackalope Dec 2019 #94
So what you are proposing is that another organization step up TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #95
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #96
You failed to answer any of my questions TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #98
You're not a prosecutor. And I'm just trying to find where you stand. BuffaloJackalope Dec 2019 #99
Why don't you check my profile and you will learn how far off base you are? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #100
I don't give a damn about your profile. BuffaloJackalope Dec 2019 #101
Have a nice day. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #105
Then you're part of the problem. BuffaloJackalope Dec 2019 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #107
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #108
This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #109
Yesterday it was Biden, today it's Buttigieg. I guess Warren is next? George II Dec 2019 #4
I guess she's phase 3. BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #17
Yep. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #53
all caps makes it more important I guess nt msongs Dec 2019 #5
Homophobia is unimportant to you. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #12
So many people here have no idea about the good the Salvation Army does. cwydro Dec 2019 #44
"first ones into neighborhoods after hurricanes' - did you mean the red cross? Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #55
Nope, the Red Cross arrived later. cwydro Dec 2019 #63
You mean the Catholic Church? sheshe2 Dec 2019 #76
A few years ago, Colorado's branch tried to change the anti-LGBT stance... RobertDevereaux Dec 2019 #8
from the OP article........ Celerity Dec 2019 #19
I'll be giving a dollar in your honor to the first kettle I see tomorrow. cwydro Dec 2019 #47
Did Buttigieg ever eat at Chick-Fil-A? Renew Deal Dec 2019 #9
. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #13
Does that mean you don't know? Renew Deal Dec 2019 #28
Some people think the only way to create change is to... TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #11
He didn't go to a BLM event that he was invited to attend. rogue emissary Dec 2019 #32
One of the strongest straw men I have ever seen. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #52
I'm just as brave as Pete. rogue emissary Dec 2019 #62
My first thought treestar Dec 2019 #41
Pete has appeared on Fox news. He does what he deems is correct. Naturally, patricia92243 Dec 2019 #14
Imo an inexcusably nasty and dishonest hit job on an LGBT candidate. Hortensis Dec 2019 #16
Oh please. Newsweek is reporting on what is being said in gay publications. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #20
Oh, please. When Newsweek put a gun to your head and Hortensis Dec 2019 #21
Changing headlines is against the law. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #23
So is blaming the abject failure of a campaign on the media. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #24
You could have posted the underlying article on which the Newsweek article was based. Why not? George II Dec 2019 #26
de-capping is NOT changing the headline, and this is NOT LBN, if every HL changed-up pro-Sanders Celerity Dec 2019 #65
"Changing headlines is against the law." TwilightZone Dec 2019 #79
What law? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #89
I believe Hortensis was referring to the underlying article in "Out" Magazine. George II Dec 2019 #25
ONE gay publication, not "publications" George II Dec 2019 #27
You seem afraid of Buttigieg perhaps? cwydro Dec 2019 #45
So when people post anti Bernie articles are they worried? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #48
I stopped reading Newsweek over 10 years ago. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #54
Hussein? Really? ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #72
Ouch, apologies to Hassin. I was angry at the trumpsterish/ Hortensis Dec 2019 #73
He is really a piece of work. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #18
Out of curiosity, is the YMCA considered homophobic as well? mr_lebowski Dec 2019 #29
Next thing you know we're going to find out he was a Boy Scout when he was young ... mr_lebowski Dec 2019 #30
Boy Scouts, by definition, are kids. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #31
And one magazine, by definition, does not represent an entire demographic. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #33
I would urge you to consider the possibility that for every one of 'us' ... mr_lebowski Dec 2019 #36
Tl;dr Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #37
.. mr_lebowski Dec 2019 #38
this treestar Dec 2019 #42
Spot on bro! Docreed2003 Dec 2019 #60
as a lesbian of colour who is quite capable of multi-dimensional thought, thank you!!!! Celerity Dec 2019 #66
Um, the organization is huge and run by adults. cwydro Dec 2019 #46
We are talking about "him" when "he was young" Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #49
In the immortal words of Satchel Paige... cwydro Dec 2019 #50
yep, the scorched earth, ham-handed gambits for all not named Sanders continue Celerity Dec 2019 #67
Yes indeed. cwydro Dec 2019 #70
+100000 Celerity Dec 2019 #71
WTF is the Mayor of a city supposed to do when a "less-than perfect"... TreasonousBastard Dec 2019 #34
What you said. marybourg Dec 2019 #59
+100000 Celerity Dec 2019 #68
Private beliefs on controversial issues? Being LGBT is controversial to you? Unbelievable! LonePirate Dec 2019 #75
What is homophobic about anything I said? And how is he abandoning anyone by helping... TreasonousBastard Dec 2019 #86
Salvation Army still has soup kitchens, I believe. Hekate Dec 2019 #35
You made me LOL! sheshe2 Dec 2019 #56
Any time, She.... Hekate Dec 2019 #61
;) sheshe2 Dec 2019 #74
Interestingly though, TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #91
Shun Catholic charities too? crazytown Dec 2019 #39
Works for me! Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #40
Kindly be more specific. Some of that they never did, and they don't do any of it any more. TreasonousBastard Dec 2019 #64
NO ONE is defending that, that's pure tosh, we are critiquing this shabby little agenda-ed smear job Celerity Dec 2019 #69
I know. What's funny is when someone posts about needing help because of homelessness, etc. cwydro Dec 2019 #51
yes please. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #57
Circular fucking firing squad thegoose Dec 2019 #77
I never quite understand the du "all cap" post. Tipperary Dec 2019 #78
All of Newsweek's headings are all caps. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #80
It is illegal Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #82
no Celerity Dec 2019 #83
How? TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #92
Only in the Latest Breaking News Forum dsc Dec 2019 #97
That is the stupidest thing I've read today. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #110
What are LGBT groups doing to help,.. MicaelS Dec 2019 #85
Faux outrage machine strikes again! Devil Child Dec 2019 #90
We , as Democrats, have fallen James48 Dec 2019 #102
Our responsibility to counter bigotry is two sided randr Dec 2019 #103
Meh Loki Liesmith Dec 2019 #104
 

Jirel

(2,018 posts)
1. That's pretty sad.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:53 AM
Dec 2019

I have a friend who works for the Salvation Army, insisting they do really good work. My understanding, however, from my own clients who have received “services” there is that the organization, at least in this area, is full of hyper-religious, sometimes even abusive people. The organization may have chapters that run the gamut from helpful to horrific, which makes it difficult for a candidate, an elected official who has had to work with the organization in his town where it might even do some good work, to condemn them or even avoid them. Regardless, I agree that it feels troubling that he would show that support when the SA has so vocally condemned LGBT+ folks, and when at least some local bodies have mistreated them based on sexuality or gender.

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LonePirate

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2. No LGBT person should support homophobic organizations like the Salvation Army.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:54 AM
Dec 2019
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malchickiwick

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6. Nor should any straight person who believes in social justice. (n/t)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:09 PM
Dec 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

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7. Nor should any allies
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:11 PM
Dec 2019

That organization is awful.

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TexasTowelie

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81. I hope that you never become homeless.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:51 PM
Dec 2019

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2019, 10:51 PM - Edit history (1)

I've seen the work that they do and I think that a lot people would change their opinions of the organization if they ever fell into a predicament where they needed help. There are organizations that are far worse than the Salvation Army.

When I was homeless in Dallas I stayed at a facility where the homeless were allowed to stay for one week without having to pay. After the one week period, the clients were moved onto the list to work at the facility (intake, kitchen duty). After the first week, the clients also had to decide whether to pay $10 a night or enroll in their religious indoctrination program for a month and they were not allowed to leave the facility grounds. How are the homeless going to get out of their predicament if they cannot leave the facilities, have no access to computers to find work, or even beg to keep their phones connected? Meanwhile, the religious brethren that ran the facility arrived in $50,000 SUVs and dressed in their Sunday best wardrobe. There were a few people that stayed at the facility for a year and went through the indoctrination program that were offered minimum wage jobs, but in some ways it could be viewed that the owners had a captive work force that earned less than minimum wage during that year. That facility was supposedly one of the best in the city and was even lauded by the city government.

So tell me which is worse, the Salvation Army, an alternative option facility like I described, or sleeping on the street (especially if you have to carry insulin which requires refrigeration)? While I don't agree with homophobic policies in any organization, beggars can't be choosers and looking at the situation from a different perspective is invaluable. If you don't want to donate to the Salvation Army that is your choice, but actively discouraging other people from making donations or condemning political candidates because they worked with the group crosses the line in my opinion and does more harm than good.

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MicaelS

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84. Fantastic post.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 10:32 PM
Dec 2019

I agree completely. Being homeless sucks. I have been homeless living in shelters for 2 years 4 months.

I am finally on a path to having an apartment again.

In Fort Worth, the Union Gospel Mission, Presbyterian Night Shelter and Salvation Army all provide services to the homeless. And yes, all are faith based. They are under the umbrella of the larger Tarrant County Homeless Coalition.

Not to mention many churches who provide food, shelter, clothing and other services to the homeless.

So bash the Sally and others all you want. I know the truth.

BIW, what is the LGBT community doing to help get people off the streets?

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TexasTowelie

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88. Thanks.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:33 PM
Dec 2019

I never expected to be homeless. I have a college degree and while I was employed I kept taking training classes, learning new skills, and even obtained an associate's certification since I felt that it improved my marketability if I ever became unemployed. I tried to be a team player and play by the rules. The fact that I became unemployed was based on two factors: a) I broke my arm and was unable to work for about three months, and b) I had a vindictive boss who took me aside when I returned to work and she never asked how I was doing, but told me that I had a target on my back. That boss made my work life unbearable and she was trying to coerce me to quit so that the company would not have to pay the severance that I earned by sticking with the company for six years after they went into a voluntary liquidation plan.

In this instance, the editors at Out magazine have a disagreement with the policies of the Salvation Army and they can use their platform to call out the organization. However, trying to condemn or smear a political candidate that has been associated with the group is going overboard and diminishes my respect for Out magazine (and I have posted articles from them on DU in the past).

I'm happy to read that you are making headway getting out of the predicament that you're experiencing. I was only in the homeless facility for about one week and I doubt that I could have held myself together if I had to live in that situation for months or years like you have. Good luck with your plans and I hope that you have a great holiday season.

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cwydro

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43. Well, I'm gay, and I've seen the good the Salvation Army has done on the ground.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:25 PM
Dec 2019

Every year here, there are these anti Salvation Army threads - fyi for all you Salvation Army haters, I add an extra dollar in their pots for every post against them.

So all the haters are actually supporting the Salvation Army. Keep on keepin’ on!

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Hekate

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93. Right on, cwydro
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 01:49 AM
Dec 2019
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TexasTowelie

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111. I realize that we disagree at times,
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:00 PM
Dec 2019

but as someone who has been homeless before and who advocates for the homeless, thank you. I'm going to have to go a bit out of the way on my bike today, but I've been inspired to give after this thread.

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cwydro

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112. Good for you! I give annually because I took up where my parents left off when they passed.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:58 PM
Dec 2019

But I also spread out 50 bucks in various kettles as I went shopping yesterday, all in the name of those who posted hateful things about the Salvation Army.

Every time I see a nasty post here, I’ll add a buck to a kettle.

I wish I’d thought of this before. The annual bashing gets old, but it’s the same ole, same ole every year. Giving in the honor of the hateful posts makes me smile.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

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58. Agree 100%... surprised by Mayor Pete, he knows better!!
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:16 PM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
3. He could blame the media or the polling methodology.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:57 AM
Dec 2019

As it's a quick and convenient excuse, never supported by data but so consistently repeated as a religious litany by less-than-stellar candidates.

Nah, Pete's got too much character to do something as petulant as that.

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BuffaloJackalope

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10. But not enough character to stand up to the Salvation Army & call them out...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:05 PM
Dec 2019
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TexasTowelie

(112,180 posts)
87. So you would prefer that the people who benefit from their services
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:08 PM
Dec 2019

not receive any assistance?

I'm glad that I could offer a different perspective in post #81.

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BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
94. That's a false dichotomy, and you know it.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 07:40 AM
Dec 2019

The objective here is to improve the services offered & delivered, wouldn't you agree? Requiring that someone in need avail themselves of an organization that abuses & dehumanizes them is not an improvement.

The SA is going to do what they want to do. Dehumanizing their clients shouldn't be part of that. What I would hope is that our elected public officials recognize that the SA is often discriminatory, and instead of ignoring it, require that they not discriminate if they expect help from local govt social service agencies. Either the SA will comply, treat all of their clients with dignity & continue in their mission, or they won't, and their mission will fail.

As a public official Buttigieg shouldn't be letting them off the hook.

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TexasTowelie

(112,180 posts)
95. So what you are proposing is that another organization step up
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 08:09 AM
Dec 2019

and replace the Salvation Army? Where are the resources available that another organization is going to try and compete the Salvation Army? If smaller organizations splinter off throughout the country to compete against the Salvation Army there will be higher administrative costs as they lose the economy of scale so how do they improve the services offered and delivered?

It looks like in the quest to address the problem of homophobia that a conundrum will result.

You are also making a claim that the Salvation Army is dehumanizing their clients. What objective proof do you have to offer to back up that statement?

Let's be honest here, Out magazine attacked Pete Buttigieg and the OP who has demonstrated his partisanship in this forum repeatedly was eager to post the article (he will call it "vetting", of course). Would the OP had posted the article if he didn't believe that Buttigieg posed a threat to Sanders? I wasn't born yesterday and after reading the other posts in this thread it looks like other members are also aware of the intention of this thread.

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TexasTowelie

(112,180 posts)
98. You failed to answer any of my questions
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 08:43 AM
Dec 2019

and then you accuse me of being okay with the KKK?

Wow, another new member who believes that they are superior and offers moral indignation. What a crock.

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BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
99. You're not a prosecutor. And I'm just trying to find where you stand.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 08:53 AM
Dec 2019

So far, you seem to think discrimination & bigotry is OK when LGBTQ people are involved. Just trying to find out if it extends further.

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TexasTowelie

(112,180 posts)
100. Why don't you check my profile and you will learn how far off base you are?
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 09:19 AM
Dec 2019

You will see that I'm supportive of the LGBT community and you can also check the LGBT Group to find that I post frequently there. I'm not okay with any type of discrimination. Making an accusation that I'm okay with discrimination and bigotry can be considered to be a personal attack.

Here are two of the images that I have in my profile:





Are those helpful clues?

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BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
101. I don't give a damn about your profile.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 09:34 AM
Dec 2019

And insinuating that I would cast the homeless aside - as you have done - *IS* a personal attack. So pack up your fake outrage & put it away.

Either discrimination and bigotry is wrong, or it's not. Either it's acceptable, or it's not. Either we allow it to continue, OR WE DON'T!

The Salvation Army shouldn't get a pass on it's well-documented discrimination and bigotry. And Buttigieg shouldn't get a pass on giving them a pass. The fact that you're more than willing to do both shows where you're coming from.

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TexasTowelie

(112,180 posts)
105. Have a nice day.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 10:07 AM
Dec 2019

I don't have much money, but I'll be making a donation to the Salvation Army with you in mind.

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BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
106. Then you're part of the problem.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 10:09 AM
Dec 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
4. Yesterday it was Biden, today it's Buttigieg. I guess Warren is next?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:04 PM
Dec 2019
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BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
17. I guess she's phase 3.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:28 PM
Dec 2019
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sheshe2

(83,761 posts)
53. Yep.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:00 PM
Dec 2019

That too will be in all caps.

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msongs

(67,405 posts)
5. all caps makes it more important I guess nt
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:07 PM
Dec 2019
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Voltaire2

(13,033 posts)
12. Homophobia is unimportant to you.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:16 PM
Dec 2019

Got it.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
44. So many people here have no idea about the good the Salvation Army does.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:27 PM
Dec 2019

I’m gay, and I sure have a problem with homophobia.

But I’ve seen them on the ground, first ones into neighborhoods after hurricanes. I’ll add a dollar to the next kettle I see in your honor!

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Voltaire2

(13,033 posts)
55. "first ones into neighborhoods after hurricanes' - did you mean the red cross?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:10 PM
Dec 2019

Have you ever tried to use the service the salvation army provides? They come with sermons, and of course homophobia.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
63. Nope, the Red Cross arrived later.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:39 PM
Dec 2019

And yes, I ate the meals they brought into our neighborhood when we were completely decimated by Hurricane Georges.

They were there again through many other hurricanes I experienced. My girlfriend and I both ate the food (which was not something that was great) but we had been literally smashed by Georges, with no electricity, no gas, no nothing, cars drowned. They didn’t question my sexuality or religious beliefs. The Red Cross came the next day or the day after; I’ve forgotten.

The manager of their thrift store in Key West was an out gay woman, and her lover worked there too. She lost her home in Wilma, and her bosses at the Salvation Army helped finding housing for her and provided help for her elderly mom.

And no, there were NO sermons served with any meal from their mobile meal trucks. They provide services for gay and trans people in many communities as Ms. Toad pointed out in another thread. I was in Key West during the AIDS crisis, and they provided help to many of those so horribly affected by that plague.

My mother and father, who were quite well off, donated generously to the Salvation Army after I told them of my experiences. They did this until their deaths, and I will continue to do so.

I’ll chip in another buck for you tomorrow wherever I see a kettle. You really have no idea about how they operate. I’ve been there and seen it.

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sheshe2

(83,761 posts)
76. You mean the Catholic Church?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:05 PM
Dec 2019

They come with sermons as well and of course pedophilia. You will damn a whole religion?

Like the church the Salvation has it's good points and bad.

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RobertDevereaux

(1,857 posts)
8. A few years ago, Colorado's branch tried to change the anti-LGBT stance...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:29 PM
Dec 2019

But the national organization slapped them down.

Not one penny to this sad bunch of bigots!

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Celerity

(43,360 posts)
19. from the OP article........
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:33 PM
Dec 2019
In a section on the LGBTQ community, The Salvation Army's website stresses that "all people are deserving of Christ's love" regardless of their sexuality and gender identity.

The charity has also set up a shelter dorm in Las Vegas for members of the transgender community as well as a San Francisco detox facility catering for people with HIV and AIDS, according to Out magazine.
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
47. I'll be giving a dollar in your honor to the first kettle I see tomorrow.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:31 PM
Dec 2019

And I’m a gay woman.

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Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
9. Did Buttigieg ever eat at Chick-Fil-A?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:46 PM
Dec 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,327 posts)
13. .
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:20 PM
Dec 2019
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/pete-buttigieg-s-chick-fil-remarks-draw-reaction-lgbtq-community-n988216

Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, said he does not approve of Chick-fil-A’s politics, but “kind of” approves of its chicken.

“Maybe if nothing else, I can build that bridge,” the openly gay 2020 presidential hopeful said on the syndicated radio show, “The Breakfast Club” on Tuesday. “Maybe I’ll become in a position to broker that peace deal.”

His comments drew laughs from the show’s hosts, but are sparking different reactions among some in the LGBTQ community.

Matthew Riemer, an LGBTQ historian and author of the forthcoming book “We Are Everywhere: Protest, Power and Pride in the History of Queer Liberation,” said Buttigieg missed an opportunity to condemn a company with a legacy of financially backing anti-LGBT organizations.
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Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
28. Does that mean you don't know?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:32 PM
Dec 2019
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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
11. Some people think the only way to create change is to...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:12 PM
Dec 2019

Piss on groups from the outside. Then there are brave people like Buttigieg who will go into the lions den.

Go Pete!

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rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
32. He didn't go to a BLM event that he was invited to attend.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:18 PM
Dec 2019

Which was before he announced he was officially running for President. The group had concerns about the racism in his police department.

The above example illustrates to me his bravery is intermediate at best.

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
52. One of the strongest straw men I have ever seen.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:59 PM
Dec 2019
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rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
62. I'm just as brave as Pete.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:29 PM
Dec 2019
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treestar

(82,383 posts)
41. My first thought
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:19 PM
Dec 2019

At least he is being around them, and getting to know them, and there is a better chance they will come around that constant and solely righteous indignation. That's just acting like they do and deepening the divide.

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patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
14. Pete has appeared on Fox news. He does what he deems is correct. Naturally,
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:25 PM
Dec 2019

lot of people will disagree.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Imo an inexcusably nasty and dishonest hit job on an LGBT candidate.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:28 PM
Dec 2019

Copying from Newsweek does not give this article respectability, Hussein.

As for your capping to make sure no one misses it, I'd also like to think Sanders would object at least to his face being displayed in connection with it. Sanders can only get delegates at the convention IF he can expand his appeal beyond his little base, and this kind of thing is very repellent outside the bubble.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,327 posts)
20. Oh please. Newsweek is reporting on what is being said in gay publications.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:41 PM
Dec 2019

The sentiment I’m seeing on Facebook with gay friends is similar.


For the umpteenth time, Newsweek publishes their headlines like that. Take it up with them.


https://www.newsweek.com/contact

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Oh, please. When Newsweek put a gun to your head and
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:44 PM
Dec 2019

said copy or die, imo you should have said no. There was no gun and everyone knows it.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,327 posts)
23. Changing headlines is against the law.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:35 PM
Dec 2019
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
24. So is blaming the abject failure of a campaign on the media.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:45 PM
Dec 2019

This looks bad for Sanders.

Disqualifying.

Arble-garble.

Derp.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
26. You could have posted the underlying article on which the Newsweek article was based. Why not?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:52 PM
Dec 2019
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Celerity

(43,360 posts)
65. de-capping is NOT changing the headline, and this is NOT LBN, if every HL changed-up pro-Sanders
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:55 PM
Dec 2019

post in Primaries was locked, there would be dozens (hundreds?) less

Bernie supporters LOVE to toss shade on anyone not named Sanders, and the majority of it is shady hit jobs, and OFTEN spun up disingenuous bullshit, if not outright falsehoods (for example the PURE LIE that Zuckerburg was helping run Pete's campaign)

At times, I think Bernie gets some stick that is over the top and unfair, but mostly that goodwill has left me, as his supporters (especially the external, NON-DU ones) often do far worse

and in here, I see super dodgy posts all the time, often from pure Democratic party hating sources like the troll Sirota and that Democrat Party-hating neo-socialist rag Jacobin (and certainly from people who are sympathetic fellow travellers) or the extremely problematic site Common Dreams or that POS Nathan J Robinson (who openly calls Buttigieg a con man but still gets posted here or referenced here)

I have been one of AOC's boosters, I think she has massive potential, BUT even she is now falling into biter-mode, with her rot about 'right wing' talking points, all because a plan covers FREE uni for the bottom 80% of Americans, but doesn't hit the my-way-or-highway purity 100%)

you catch more flies with honey, but 90% of the shit coming out of the far left nether regions in the external world is pure vinegar

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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
79. "Changing headlines is against the law."
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:47 PM
Dec 2019

That is one of the funniest things I've ever read on this site.

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TexasTowelie

(112,180 posts)
89. What law?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:48 PM
Dec 2019

There is a rule on DU that the headlines in LBN shouldn't be changed. However, that is a rule--not a law. The forum hosts will even allow some minor changes such as providing the location instead having "city" or "state" appear in the thread title or indicating whether an article is referring to Bernie Sanders or Sarah Huckabee Sanders for clarification. Furthermore, there is no rule about changing headlines in the title of threads in the Democratic primary forum.

Hassin, you've been a forum host before and you know the rules, so why are you using this as an excuse?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
25. I believe Hortensis was referring to the underlying article in "Out" Magazine.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:51 PM
Dec 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
27. ONE gay publication, not "publications"
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:54 PM
Dec 2019
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
45. You seem afraid of Buttigieg perhaps?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:29 PM
Dec 2019

Worried?

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,327 posts)
48. So when people post anti Bernie articles are they worried?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:33 PM
Dec 2019

Scared? Desperate?


I thought we were all about vetting?



vet1
/vet/

verb
gerund or present participle: vetting
make a careful and critical examination of (something).
"proposals for vetting large takeover bids"

Similar:
screen
assess
evaluate
appraise
weigh up
examine
look over
review
consider
scrutinize
study
inspect
investigate
censor
check
redact
check out
check up on
probe
research
look into
delve into
dig into
search into
give something a/the once-over
size up
investigate (someone) thoroughly, especially in order to ensure that they are suitable for a job requiring secrecy, loyalty, or trustworthiness.


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sheshe2

(83,761 posts)
54. I stopped reading Newsweek over 10 years ago.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:08 PM
Dec 2019

I found their News Weak.

The fact that they post titles in all caps proves that. They need to scream to be heard. They are no longer relevant and they know that.

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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
72. Hussein? Really?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 08:29 PM
Dec 2019

Nasty hit job on a fellow DUers name. You are very easy to read.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
73. Ouch, apologies to Hassin. I was angry at the trumpsterish/
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 08:34 PM
Dec 2019

sandersish post and trying to double task. Misspelling names on purpose is childish, and it was definitely not intended.

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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
29. Out of curiosity, is the YMCA considered homophobic as well?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:43 PM
Dec 2019

I know what the letters stand for, but don't know their 'politics'.

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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
30. Next thing you know we're going to find out he was a Boy Scout when he was young ...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:44 PM
Dec 2019

So many disqualifications ...

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,327 posts)
31. Boy Scouts, by definition, are kids.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:09 PM
Dec 2019

Not adult politicians.

Does this help clarify matters?

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
33. And one magazine, by definition, does not represent an entire demographic.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:28 PM
Dec 2019

"Does this help clarify matters?" (I doubt it... we often fail to see when blindness better serves our biases)



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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
36. I would urge you to consider the possibility that for every one of 'us' ...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:03 PM
Dec 2019

You know, militant PC types that demand rigorous adherence to our personal litmus/purity tests, there's probably 5 regular folks out there that would hear that Buttigieg supported the Salvation Army and thinks one or more of the following:

1) Hey, I too support the Salvation Army, they do good work in the world!
2) Hey, maybe Gay folks really CAN be kind, loving Christian folk!
3) Hey, maybe PB totally isn't screwing around and trying to trick Voters with a phony Christian Act!
4) Hey, maybe he isn't ONLY totally concerned with the interests of Gay folks, just like we came to believe Obama wasn't ONLY totally concerned about the interests of Black folks, which helped us feel good about voting for him!
5) Hey, maybe we really COULD vote for the Gay man, I mean, not only was he a US soldier, but he's a Christian, and actually really seems like a good, smart guy!

I mean, a lot of those 'ways of thinking' sound lame and/or homophobic to US (okay, not just sound) ... but we aren't the average US voter.

Just worth some consideration IMHO.

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
42. this
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:24 PM
Dec 2019

this is how people come around. Question their bigotry and then discard it. This is how progress got made and we are where we are now. Refusing to speak to people because they are wrong has never been known to result in much progress.

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Celerity

(43,360 posts)
66. as a lesbian of colour who is quite capable of multi-dimensional thought, thank you!!!!
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:58 PM
Dec 2019
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
46. Um, the organization is huge and run by adults.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:30 PM
Dec 2019

This OP amazes me, and I can see only one reason for it.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,327 posts)
49. We are talking about "him" when "he was young"
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:35 PM
Dec 2019

Please look up thread.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
50. In the immortal words of Satchel Paige...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:55 PM
Dec 2019

Don’t look back, something might be gaining on you.

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Celerity

(43,360 posts)
67. yep, the scorched earth, ham-handed gambits for all not named Sanders continue
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 08:04 PM
Dec 2019


I guess we all should demand the Salvation Army should shut down its shelter for at-risk trans folk as well.

Or nail Pete to a tree because he said he doesn't like Chick fil-A's politics but likes their sandwiches.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
70. Yes indeed.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 08:17 PM
Dec 2019

The yearly Salvation Army bash-a-thon by folks who have no idea how they operate used to really annoy me.

Now I count up every hater post, and that amount goes in a kettle the next day. I find it relaxing lol. DU has really contributed to the Salvation Army this year, especially those who post ridiculous and hateful things about something they really don’t understand.

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
34. WTF is the Mayor of a city supposed to do when a "less-than perfect"...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:32 PM
Dec 2019

organization has a charity kickoff in his town? Yeah, poke fun at him a little, but to make it a real problem?

I'm no big fan of the Salvation Army, but they do do good things and should not be defined by their private beliefs on controversial issues that do not control their public actions. Do we condemn and ban Catholic Charities because we don't like some of their views? And some of their views affect us a lot more than SA's do, and are worth condemning that church for, but we don't shut down their food kitchens to punish them.

And just what organization is out there that is "created to cater to the needs of queer people" that would take precedence over an organization dedicated to feeding, housing, and providing health benefits to all people.

FWIW, looking into SA's history, it does not deny services or accept discrimination against anyone based on sexual identity. It does insist on celibacy outside of marriage, and won't marry gay couples, but otherwise leaves it alone. Sound familiar? A lot of religions, including non-Christian ones, think that way and the world has survived.

And, btw, Out magazine itself hasn't exactly had a sterling history of supporting LGBT,etc concerns itself.


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LonePirate

(13,422 posts)
75. Private beliefs on controversial issues? Being LGBT is controversial to you? Unbelievable!
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:05 PM
Dec 2019

If anyone was wondering if DU was free from homophobia, the answer to that is a resounding "No!"

If Mayor Pete will abandon his fellow LGBT Americans while serving as mayor, who will he abandon if he were to become President?

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
86. What is homophobic about anything I said? And how is he abandoning anyone by helping...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 10:54 PM
Dec 2019

with a charity?

The SA does not believe in gay marriage as a religious thing-- they believe God does not sanction it. However, they are doing noting about that belief except to not accept homosexuals in their leadership ranks. Otherwise, they minister to everyone alike. Or at least try to.

As a society, we must be tolerant of differing beliefs, and intolerance of belief alone is really no different than any other form of intolerance.

Say all you want to about flat-earthers and others, silly belief does not make you a bad person until that belief affects others.

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Hekate

(90,686 posts)
35. Salvation Army still has soup kitchens, I believe.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:36 PM
Dec 2019

They could probably put a good pot-stirrer to use.

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sheshe2

(83,761 posts)
56. You made me LOL!
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:11 PM
Dec 2019

Thank you!

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Hekate

(90,686 posts)
61. Any time, She....
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:29 PM
Dec 2019

It's just so obvious that someone needs a job, and by golly they have the skill-set!

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TexasTowelie

(112,180 posts)
91. Interestingly though,
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 01:40 AM
Dec 2019

that someone was recently inquired about my employment situation and I suspect that it wasn't out of compassionate concern about my welfare.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
39. Shun Catholic charities too?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:05 PM
Dec 2019

The Catholic Church has just a doctrinaire teaching on homosexuality.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,327 posts)
40. Works for me!
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:10 PM
Dec 2019

Are we at the point of now of defending the SA, their homophobia, their anti gay lobbying, and their support of the horrendous gay aversion therapy?

It’s deja vu all over again.

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
64. Kindly be more specific. Some of that they never did, and they don't do any of it any more.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:45 PM
Dec 2019
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Celerity

(43,360 posts)
69. NO ONE is defending that, that's pure tosh, we are critiquing this shabby little agenda-ed smear job
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 08:09 PM
Dec 2019
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
51. I know. What's funny is when someone posts about needing help because of homelessness, etc.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:57 PM
Dec 2019

Almost every poster here comes back with a response to check out churches and other same kind of organizations.

The same posters who seem to be so anti-religion. It boggles the mind.

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thegoose

(3,115 posts)
77. Circular fucking firing squad
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:09 PM
Dec 2019

Yep, buy into it

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Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
78. I never quite understand the du "all cap" post.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:32 PM
Dec 2019

Is it because the poster thinks people will pay more attention to it? Are they insecure about its importance? Is their cap lock stuck? I never get the point.

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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
80. All of Newsweek's headings are all caps.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:50 PM
Dec 2019

Easily fixed in about two seconds with a browser plug-in, but the poster refuses to do so.

Up-thread, he says changing the headline would be illegal, which is one of the funniest things I've ever read on DU.

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TexasTowelie

(112,180 posts)
92. How?
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 01:43 AM
Dec 2019

Please cite the law that is being broken.

Note that I'm not asking you to cite the DU TOS rule since that would be a violation of those rules.

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dsc

(52,162 posts)
97. Only in the Latest Breaking News Forum
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 08:33 AM
Dec 2019

and even there I think they let you take out the capital letters.

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
110. That is the stupidest thing I've read today.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:15 AM
Dec 2019

Let me call 911 and report this illegal activity.

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MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
85. What are LGBT groups doing to help,..
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 10:37 PM
Dec 2019

The homeless straight people nationwide?

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Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
90. Faux outrage machine strikes again!
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:33 AM
Dec 2019

Butigieg has my serious consideration and I’ll have no problem fiercely supporting him in the general if he clinches the nomination.

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James48

(4,436 posts)
102. We , as Democrats, have fallen
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 09:39 AM
Dec 2019

When we attack a candidate simply for volunteering to help the needy.

ITs not like he served on the board of the organization. He simply helped ladle out food at a shelter. You are attacking him for THAT? Good grief.

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randr

(12,412 posts)
103. Our responsibility to counter bigotry is two sided
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 09:52 AM
Dec 2019

We must call it out and we must show compassion.

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