Dissecting 'the black vote'

[Gothmog]

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Myth No. 1: Black voters are liberal.

One of the defining phenomena of contemporary American electoral politics is the black electorate’s large and enduring support for the Democratic Party, which has concurrently moved leftward.

Its presidential candidates have received an average of nearly 90% of the black vote for the past six decades. Many conclude that black voters’ liberal preferences, carried over from economic and racially progressive policies of the civil rights movement and Jesse Jackson’s presidential campaigns of 1984 and 1988, led this shift.

But black voters’ support of Democratic candidates is a function of electoral pragmatism — voting in a risk-averse fashion to preserve gains, instead of ideologically in hopes of immediate transformative change — not devotion to left-wing ideology.

In surveys, more than half of black Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents prefer a public option for health care over Medicare-for-all, and two-thirds of black Americans favor charter schools and choice programs, which run counter to party orthodoxy.
Only 28% of black Democrats consider themselves liberal, according to the Pew Research Center, while 70% identify as moderate or conservative. And black liberal Democrats constitute just 17% of the left wing of the party, Gallup found.

[Cha]

1. I profoundly appreciate our POC & WOC

Democratic Voting bloc.

I'm a Liberal Dem who appreciates Progress and that's what we had with President Obama.. yeah there were issues I disagreed with but Obama was the one actually getting things accomplished while those griping were on the sidelines.

Hillary would have been an excellent Madam POTUS but the Russians, m$m, and the chattering hate machine was too forceful, and they brought us trump. jill stein's lies, saying ".. there was no difference between Hillary and trump.." and those pushing them like david Sirota, bribri gray, and nina turner were some of the biggest Liars about Hillary.. oh and SS.. can't forget ol privileged ssarandon.. who "doesn't regret it.."

ssarandon digs in..

Susan Sarandon: Hillary Clinton Would Have Been a 'Very Dangerous' President

https://www.newsweek.com/susan-sarandon-hillary-clinton-was-very-dangerous-and-her-fans-still-troll-me-722648

Sorry to digress!

Very Interesting article.. Mahalo, Goth!

[Sloumeau]

2. We see examples of this even beyond 30 years ago:

The honorable Jimmy Carter won the Black vote and the South not just in his primary, but in the general election too (emphasis mine)

Carter won a majority of the popular and electoral vote. He carried nearly every state in the South while Ford dominated the Western states. Carter remains the only Democratic candidate since 1964 to win a majority of the Southern states.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_United_States_presidential_election)

[MH1]

3. Yeah, I generally don't like the charter school concept, BUT

I have talked to AA's and they figure it is the only thing that gives their kids a fighting chance. While there is a lot of corruption and fraud, it seems there are actually some fairly competent charters out there. And when the public school by comparison has a reputation as total crap ... how can we blame parents for wanting the chance to give their kids a better education and life?

The fact that public education is so effed up, is part of what gives me pause about M4A. Well, that and that the pro-M4A medical people I know, all say M4A has to come with FIXES to Medicare (because as is, doctors and their staff get screwed). To me that's a pipe dream when you see the sorry state of some of our other public services. Hell, for all the conservative love-fest for cops, they don't allocate enough funding to hire and train great cops in most places. And they treat teachers like crap in many places. Why do we think medical staff will suddenly get a fair paycheck from Medicare?

(Note, I support M4A - single payer, as it used to be called - and public education. I'm just pointing out that it ain't easy to get these things done well. And AAs know that, at least about education, that is why they want charters.)

[Demsrule86]

6. I used to teach school...I stopped in GA because the schools were awful...but it is my opinion that

it is easy for middle class folks... to say no charter schools as their kids go to good schools supported by property taxes...But in the city most schools are awful and it is unfair when there is no easy way to fix this in time for kids in school now, to force them into these schools for ideological reasons. I would not send my dog to some of these schools and there is no quick or easy fix. We do need more regulation of these schools in terms of finances and other practices...but they serve a purpose.

[Gothmog]

4. For this thread

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[Demsrule86]

5. That is what I see in Cleveland...and it is not surprising that Warren and Sanders have less support

than Biden.