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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:20 PM

 

The vetting of Bernie: Bread lines are a good thing

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Reply The vetting of Bernie: Bread lines are a good thing (Original post)
riverine Mar 2019 OP
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revmclaren Mar 2019 #10
SFnomad Mar 2019 #11
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #17
Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #27
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #43
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:24 PM

1. What does this have to do with Bernie's taxes?!

 


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:29 PM

2. This thread didn't mention anything about the lack of released taxes by BS, but now that you mention

 

it, is he ever planning on keeping his promise and releasing those taxes? He can't use the excuse "soon", because he's already used that and it's long past "soon" at this point.
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Response to SFnomad (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:34 PM

4. Bernie submitted his 2014 tax returns... that leaves only four more tax years, 2015-2018...

 

and 2018 isn't due for another three weeks. I presume he wants to deliver the rest as one large submission, rather than doing it piecemeal, so, just be a little more patient and I expect you'll soon get what you're asking for.


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:01 PM

10. Isn't that like...

 

"Hey Joe, I know I promised to pay you back that $400 I loaned you 3 years ago and I did pay you $100 of it. So were good right? No? Well just give me more time."

Trust is earned by words AND deeds.

One down and 3 plus 2018 years to go.



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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:01 PM

11. It's a lie that BS submitted his 2014 tax returns ... he released the 2 summary pages only n/t

 

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:13 PM

17. Here we go... a lie? Really? No, what YOU just said is 100% factually untrue.

 

Surely, you know that by now... be honest.


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Response to SFnomad (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:34 PM

27. Here is the 7 page full return

 

You can apologize to the other poster for calling them a liar

https://s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs.taxnotes.com/2019/B_Sanders_2014.pdf
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:08 PM

43. Not gonna happen... just crickets, chirp! chirp! They NEVER admit when they're wrong...

 

They'll just manufacture another myth to bash Bernie with... it never fails. Next, they'll change the subject, without admitting they were ever wrong, perhaps, start with bringing up other tax years.

It would be amusing if it wasn't so divisive. But, the truth ALWAYS prevails and overcomes falsehoods... which splains why Bernie just keeps rising in the polls and the crowds keep growing to see this Democratic rock star perform. Did you see the L.A. rally today... holy smokes!! Bernie's got California in da bag my friend, if this keeps up!!


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:28 PM

53. running out of creative excuses? Try "under audit" if that doesn't work

 

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:50 PM

63. So if he applies for an extension will it give him another

 

Excuse for a delay? What if his tax returns are being audited? Did the dog eat them?
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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #63)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:59 PM

67. That's possible, though I doubt it. Let's wait and see... soon you'll have your answer.

 


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #67)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:42 AM

86. I have plenty of patience.

 

However, I can only speak for myself.

The one thing that I'm certain about is that I will nòt vote for any candidate that hasn't released at least five years of tax returns. I'm not as concerned about how much they earned as the source of their income.
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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #86)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:01 AM

91. I think that's COMPLETELY fair TT... I'd have to rethink my voting for Bernie were that the case...

 

and, if so, I'd probably switch my vote over to Elizabeth or, maybe, even Mayor Pete (the more I listen to the guy, the more I like him!). I give Bernie the benefit of the doubt, however, so I really don't believe Bernie will fail to divulge his tax returns, but hey, let's wait and see... I too am willing to be patient.

And, yes, the source of income is more important than the actual amount... just like with campaign contributions, as I'm sure you'll agree.


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:42 PM

106. From Jennifer Rubin

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #106)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:56 PM

108. I agree with the tweet you posted from Jennifer Rubin... that still gives Bernie almost a year

 

to release his tax returns and, if he doesn't do it by the Iowa caucuses, fine, Democrats can take appropriate action & not caucus for him, or do whatever. So, can we please lay off the constant criticism of Bernie and wait patiently til then, as Jennifer Rubin is willing to do?


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:25 PM

125. Washington Post-Enough with the excuses. It's time for Sanders to release his tax returns.

 




It has been more than a month since Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) told a national audience during a CNN town hall that he would release 10 years of his personal taxes “soon,” adding, “We have to do just a few little more things.” Five weeks later, it seems those “little” things still aren’t done; he told CBS on Sunday that “we have it all done and it’s just a question of dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s.”

Enough with the excuses, Senator. These sorts of shenanigans — and make no mistake, that’s exactly what they are at this point — both reduce the pressure on cowardly congressional Democrats to pursue President Trump’s personal and corporate tax returns, and endanger Democrats’ hopes of taking back the presidency in 2020. The progressive positions that Sanders champions, including Medicare-for-all, expanded Social Security and increasing the minimum wage to $15 an hour, are much too important to both the future of our country and our own personal finances to risk them over tax returns.

Trump broke with decades of precedent in refusing to make his tax returns public when he was running for president. The result? Not only don’t we know our president’s net worth, we also have little idea how he earned his fortune or how he makes his money now. Minus his paperwork, it’s hard to determine whether Trump is using the White House as a just-in-time moneymaking opportunity, violating the emoluments clause of the Constitution, and/or even paying his fair share of taxes at all.
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:31 PM

25. Better yet, what do Sanders' taxes have to do with this video? Why bring it up here at all?

 

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Response to George II (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:50 PM

33. Distraction. No one wants to defend

 

food/bread lines.
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Response to riverine (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:18 AM

77. thousands of americans depend on such charity

 

i'll defend them as an alternative to starving.

a home, a job, and groceries are obviously better, but capitalism has never been great at providing such luxuries.
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Response to George II (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:18 PM

46. Okay, that's the funniest thing I've heard all day!!

 




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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #46)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

49. It's like performance art!

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #49)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

56. No, it's better!! Can't stop laughing!! How one Democratic candidate, who represents

 

all that is good and decent when it comes to progressive values and striving for the betterment of society as a whole, can be the target of such hostility is beyond me.


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #56)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:42 PM

61. Yes!! He is the saviour!! The Angel!! Wow dude.

 

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Response to Eko (Reply #61)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:57 PM

66. I never said Bernie was a perfect angel... but, his heart is ALWAYS in the right place

 

and he certainly deserves our love and admiration for the way he strives, every day, to better our society. You may disagree with his progressive policies and that's fine... don't vote for him!! But, the nonstop Bernie bashing that occurs here on a daily basis, thread after thread after thread, is starting to get tiresome... people need to show Bernie the proper respect that he has rightfully earned and deserves.


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #66)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:04 AM

72. Yup it ALWAYS is!!!

 

Our love and admiration! I have not once bashed Bernie this entire election cycle, I am only commenting on you.
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #66)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 07:29 PM

104. Sorry, he doesn't deserve my love and admiration

 

You can love, honor, and obey him if you wish. You can fall down on your knees in adoration if you want. That's up to you. But sorry, he doesn't deserve MY love and admiration. Or my vote.
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #46)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:07 AM

73. Glad I can entertain, but...................

 

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:05 PM

39. Nothing

 

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:18 PM

102. Why did you bring that up? There's nothing about his taxes in the OP.

 

Did you accidentally reply in the wrong thread?
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:33 PM

3. So it's bad people are getting fed versus starving?

 

Vet harder

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:40 PM

5. Seriously! This takes Bernie bashin to a whole new level; refusing to let people starve? The horror!

 

No, instead Bernie's has been fighting for the less fortunate his ENTIRE LIFE, which, god forbid, includes feeding the hungry!! Instead of PRAISING him for it, no, he catches SHIT!!

How's THAT for irony?!?!


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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:45 PM

6. Feeding the hungry is always a good thing

 

but bread lines are not a positive point to make.

And laughing about it (you - ) and posting a funny Seinfeld scene with the soup NAZI is very telling in itself.



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Response to revmclaren (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:59 PM

9. In what Alternative Universe is a country that serves its starving people lined up for food

 

not a positive point worth noting?!


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:17 PM

19. Again, you willfully miss Bernie's point. Food lines are for EVERYONE

 

not just poor people.

To each according to their needs.
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Response to riverine (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:23 PM

22. Oh okay, so Bernie, who compared our system to that of other countries, which let their poor starve

 

wasn't REALLY talking about poor people. Oookaaaayy, I get it now!!

Let the Bernie bashing continue... carry on!!


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:21 PM

21. During the 60s and 70s while I was growing up,

 

bead lines and even basic welfare (at least in my state) were virtually nonexistent to those who truely needed sustenance. There were many weeks my family went with little or no food because my mother got too much in social security ($300 mo) to get any help from the county. So blithely saying that bread lines were better than other countries...well...I know the truth on this first hand. People lining up for food was a myth because there WERE no places to line up except for a very few shelters in the biggest cities. The press WAS clueless to this as were those who never had to go without a meal or two a day but believed they were experts on the poor.





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Response to revmclaren (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:37 PM

29. This is history we need to know. I'm sorry for your family's struggles. Glad you are here on DU

 

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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:57 PM

65. Thank you.

 



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Response to revmclaren (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:52 AM

114. In the 60s and 70s while I was growing up, there were commodities given out to the poor

 

and elderly. It was a federal program. In the 70s for a while blocks of cheese were also given out.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #114)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:57 AM

115. 'Let them eat cheese'...

 

Ever lived on only cheese Autumn?

Ever have to go to the city park and try to catch one of the few catfish that lived there just to have some meat.

Ever lived for a week on creamed celery over noodles?

I'm done responding to clueless posters.



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Response to revmclaren (Reply #115)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:17 AM

116. No but my husband and I lived on Ramen noodles for a year while he finished his

 

degree. Cheese, when it was given out, and sliced onion sandwiches were a rare treat during that time. My job in a diner covered our rent and not much else. What's clueless is trying to pretend that there were no commodities given out except for large cities. The commodities program started in the 30's in all the states and people stood in line to get them.
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During the 60s and 70s while I was growing up,

bead lines and even basic welfare (at least in my state) were virtually nonexistent to those who truely needed sustenance. There were many weeks my family went with little or no food because my mother got too much in social security ($300 mo) to get any help from the county. So blithely saying that bread lines were better than other countries...well...I know the truth on this first hand. People lining up for food was a myth because there WERE no places to line up except for a very few shelters in the biggest cities. The press WAS clueless to this as were those who never had to go without a meal or two a day but believed they were experts on the poor.


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Response to Autumn (Reply #116)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:08 PM

118. As I said... clueless. You were adults when you

 

Experienced the pretty typical Ramon bit (I did too in collage). Did you grow up in a one parent family without a car to drive or bus money to use to take you to get food? I spent the 60s in a town of 200 5 miles outside of Fresno with NO commodities program and then my mother, my sister and I were dumped in Fresno in 71' by my 'good Christian' family who couldn't be bothered any longer by the poor widow and her kids. As I said... Fresno didn't have a real safety net for the poor in the seventies.
They didn't care then and if you were here now, you would see that they still don't care if the poor or homeless starve, although now churches and food banks have stepped up to help people survive and SNAP will give you some relief too although it's future is unsure due to the orange Himmler.

I'm not willing to delve deeper into my private past to satisfy someone who is only trying to win an argument to support a candidate who praised breadlines.

And yes... I have 1100+ posts. I don't live my life at DU. I grew up in the real world and still live in it 95 % of my time.

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Response to revmclaren (Reply #118)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:12 PM

119. As a matter of fact I did grow up in a one parent family and we had no

 

vehicle. My Mom walked or took the bus to her maid job. You aren't the only one who grew up in poverty so how bout you quit with the clueless bullshit.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #119)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 02:40 PM

120. Then please stop pushing the Bernie is always correct memes...

 

The country never has been the same everywhere when it comes to poverty. You may understand being poor, but don't shove the 'bernie knows poverty and what was/is best for the poor' illusion.

His own statement (s) show otherwise to those of us who are not fans.

A person CANNOT truely understand or even comprehend true poverty unless they have experienced it, and since you have experienced it yourself, I don't understand your support for the breadline statement from the now MILLIONAIRE (I-VT) senator.

I just can't fathom it.



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Response to revmclaren (Reply #120)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 02:54 PM

121. I didn't push anything, no did I mention Bernie. I responded to your post with

 

false information in it. There might not have been bread lines but there were lines to get beans, powdered eggs, peanut butter and meats and other commodities that were for the poor and elderly. That program was in every state from the 30's. I don't understand how anyone can live in poverty and claim there were no programs to help the poor.

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bead lines and even basic welfare (at least in my state) were virtually nonexistent to those who truely needed sustenance.
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Response to revmclaren (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 5, 2019, 03:24 PM

126. "those who never had to go without a meal or two a day but believed they were experts on the poor. "

 

That sums up a significant chunk of the wealthier progressive left.
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Fri Apr 5, 2019, 04:00 PM

127. I wonder how many

 

Of us here know what it means to go hungry. I have been there a couple of times, stretched meals to feed my family at times, made sure they never did without.

Funny thing though, never thought of welfare. We were taught it was wrong!
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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:55 PM

7. Wow. That's pretty damn callous.

 

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:52 PM

35. Marie Antoinette: "Let them eat cake."

 

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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:55 PM

8. You missed Bernie's point. The bread lines are not just for poor people

 

they are for EVERYONE.
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Response to riverine (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:03 PM

12. I would have to see more context.

 

So far every time I’ve seen it posted it is that same chopped off clip.

I have the same reaction when people scare-monger about waiting lines for health-care: ask the 40,000 people who die each year for lack of health care in this country how they would feel if only having to wait was their main trouble.

So I guess it’s all relative. Poor people in Africa, to use an extreme example, would thank their lucky stars for a “bread line”. The same goes for poor kids picking through a garbage dump pile for their dinner.

I’m betting my hunch is much closer to reality of what he was describing that what the usual suspects are trying to portray. Jump up and down, scream and yell, but rational people don’t believe Bernie is “pro breadline”

But to use their own metric and as much as they talk about him and not their own candidates, they are scared of the big bad Bernie
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:08 PM

15. Your careful nuance has some credibility I admit.

 

But the point is 99% of Americans like the market system we have now over government rationed food lines.

This video clip of a socialist defending food rations will be devastating in a general election.

Your careful nuance won't be heard.
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Response to riverine (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:29 PM

24. So what's YOUR excuse for posting a chopped off quote here on DU?

 

The repigs are going to use all sorts of quotes no matter who our candidate is. Remember “you didn’t build that”? Or “distribute income” or “what difference does it make”? I do.

What’s pathetic is you are doing what they do and you are apparently proud of it. And some here are acting outraged, OUTRAGED, when others don’t play along. Using the issue of starving people for a cheap political point is on you my friend.

And now I’m half way through the full interview where the quote came from and it’s just what I suspected. Mind you, this was done smack dab in the middle of the era of Ronnie Raygun’s (and all around nice guy Henry Kissinger) support of murderous dictatorships.

Once again, Bernie was on the right side of history. I’d be curious to see some other speeches from that era. I betcha there are a few that were on the wrong side of this issue too.

Henry Kissinger. Now that I think of it...

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:38 PM

30. Was he saying that before the revolution there was no food but after the revolution there was?

 

I didn't see the interview but think that's what he probably meant.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:47 PM

32. Look, I tried to credit you for your nuance on this topic

 

but then now you attack me for not listening to a full interview that you are just now listening to.

You evade the real point here - we have a self-described socialist defending food rations.
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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:53 PM

36. I'm sure the entire context is available.

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 09:07 AM

99. here is the entire interview, it is from July, 1985

 

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Response to riverine (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:06 PM

13. Well, at least you didn't mention Bernie's taxes, I'll give you that much...

 

But seriously, distributing food to starving poor people is a problem?! We have to misconstrue what Bernie made painfully clear?! Really?! Why not acknowledge the fact that Bernie has fought almost SIX DECADES(!!!) for those less fortunate and commend him for that.


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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:11 PM

16. They used to say that about slavery too

 

"At least they have a job and are not starving"

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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:15 PM

18. That's some spin!!!

 


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:20 PM

20. Not a spin

 

Google "Justifications for slavery" and you'll find that that is one of the things mentioned.
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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:27 PM

23. No, I don't doubt for a nanosecond that what you report was said about slavery...

 

it's the analogy you're making to what Bernie said I take issue with.


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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:31 PM

26. Please take a moment to

 

read the post I was responding to. Thanks!
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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:47 PM

31. Sorry, I'm not getting what you're sayin'... too many beers!! haha!! It's certainly possible...

 

I misunderstood your original point. If that's the case, my humble apologies.


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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:37 PM

28. So bread lines are a good thing like he says?

 

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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:51 PM

34. If it distributes food to the poor and homeless who would otherwise starve, that's a good thing, yes

 


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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:06 PM

41. If it was so wonderful, why so many defect from the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries?

 

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Sun Mar 24, 2019, 11:02 AM

101. So you think food lines

 

Equates to everyone being fed??
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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:07 PM

14. I like bread too. Therefore, I have no problem voting for Sen. Sanders.

 

That is, if he secures the nomination. Any Dem for me in 2020.

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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:57 PM

38. Same goes for Tulsi... good luck to your candidate!

 


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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:56 PM

37. The vetting of Bernie:

 

Is going to get a LOT worse if he is the Dem Nominee, because you know the GOP is going to come at him with BOTH barrels, and pull out that nasty dossier they have locked away. And you know the corporate media folks like Mrs. Greenspan who babbled on incessantly about Hillary Clinton's email problem (Has Mrs. Greenspan mentioned Jared & Ivakna's email problems YET?) will be vetting and throwing in HER worthless 2 cents into the mix. I can even see a scenario where 'they' go after Bernie to release ALL of his taxes which is rich, since 'they' mostly still stay mum and cackling about tRumputin still not releasing HIS taxes
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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:05 PM

40. LOL, there's NOTHING, ZERO, NADA they have on Bernie that's not 100 times WORSE...

 

when it comes to the PEE-resident. Same goes for all the other Democrats in the race, who would have as many, if not more barrels aimed at them. But, they can ALL handle it, considering the competition on the Rethug side. Lose to that bigot, racist, homophobe, xenophobe, lying POS?! Impossible!!


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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:06 PM

42. Excellent points, LenaBaby!

 

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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:15 PM

44. Vetting bernie..

 


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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:17 PM

45. Breadlines are never a good thing.

 

They may be the best that can be done about a horrible situation but they are never a good thing. The state of the economy and government that brings their necessity means both have failed miserably and bread lines are a last ditch effort to stop starvation. This is a very subjective cut to a whole conversation and I am not bashing Sanders at all as I don't have all the info, but there are people on here arguing that bread lines are a good thing, they most assuredly are not and I grew up on food stamps and free lunches.
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Response to Eko (Reply #45)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:22 PM

48. It's a phenomenal thing if the alternative is death!!

 


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #48)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:26 PM

52. Is that the standard you really want to go by?

 

They could have given us moldy cheese, meal soup and crackers and we wouldn't have starved. Would that be phenomenal? Did you grow up on food stamps and free lunches? Can you step back and see how you sound for a second?
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Response to Eko (Reply #52)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:47 PM

62. Read what I said. Moldy cheese?! That's your come back?!

 

If I was destitute and, otherwise, would starve to death, I would much rather receive free nourishment via a food line. But, hey, that's just me... I would prefer living to dying. The fact that people can go to places where they distribute free food, whether it be bread, cheese, or anything that's edible - not moldy, unless it's BLUE cheese (love that stuff!) - is a great thing. Even better were that unnecessary, but, poor and homeless people still need a helping hand in this country... it's cruel to deny them that.


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Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:02 AM

70. Read what I said buddy!

 

"They may be the best that can be done about a horrible situation but they are never a good thing. The state of the economy and government that brings their necessity means both have failed miserably and bread lines are a last ditch effort to stop starvation. "
They are not a good thing, they are not phenomenal, they are a sign of a failed government and economy. I ate govt cheese, powdered milk, for desert we would put sugar on bread. Soup was our main dinner with grilled cheeses if we were lucky. Don't tell me that crap is a good thing. Don't tell me that was phenomenal unless you did it. Don't you even presume to bring your politics to something that obviously you don't know about and tell me it was a god damn good thing. It wasn't. It was subsistence poverty, with your mom working 12-16 hours a day and being a latch key kid, hardly any vegetables except maybe a can of green beans every now and then, heat being what wood you could cut and put in the wood stove. Please don't presume to tell me any of that was phenomenal because it wasn't at all.
A good thing,
SMH,
I guess I was the lucky one huh!
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Response to Eko (Reply #70)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:11 AM

75. Read what I said (I'll leave out the "buddy" part)...if the choices are eating or dying...

 

I choose eating, thank you very much. And if food lines provide that option so as to keep the poorest of the poor alive, yes, THAT is a very good thing!! That doesn't preclude other methods and programs for meeting the needs of starving people.

That's all I'm saying and to bash Berne for stating the same thing is ridiculous. Bernie's heart is ALWAYS in the right place... some people need to recognize that and start showing him proper respect!!


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #75)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:21 AM

79. The fact that you think people surviving on

 

subsistence food is a good thing is very worrisome. Extremely worrying. That should not be our standard at all. Its not mine. Its not a good thing to keep the poorest of the poor alive, that is the absolute least we should do and if that is all we are doing and then we call it a good thing fucking shame on us we are not worthy of being called human.
I never bashed Bernie at all, but to say anyone's heart is "ALWAYS in the right place" and "some people need to recognize that and start showing him proper respect!!", well, the living color video pretty much says what I think about that.
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Response to Eko (Reply #79)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:40 AM

85. Go ahead keep twisting my words... it's not a good look. You know I never said that..

 

When did I say that all we should be doing is keeping the poorest of the poor alive and do nothing else for them?! That statement you made up doesn't pass the laugh test!! I never said that or even imtimated it... neither did Bernie. But, you already knew that... so why make up fantasy strawman arguments.that you can rail against? I think the answer is obvious.

Obviously, not having ANYONE on subsistence food to keep them from dying is ideal and should be the goal... but, since that's not REALITY, having subsistence food when the alternative is DEATH, yes, it's a good thing that we have that safety net in place in situations where it's necessary.

But, why twist my words? That only reveals the deficiency in your argument, thus, making my case. Thanks!!


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #85)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:17 AM

93. You are correct.

 

I never should have put the "all we should be doing" in there, I knew it was wrong when I did but I dont like to go back and change things to make me seem right, I would rather tell you that putting that in there was wrong. But once again, I am not talking about Bernie at all, I thought I made that obvious from the get go. Bread lines are not a good thing and the fact that you cant agree with me is very telling. We both can agree that they are sometimes a needed thing, but you continue to argue they are a good thing. If bread lines are a good thing should we have more of them? Of course not. Should we make the entirety of America subject to them? Of course not. If that is the case then how good are they actually? Are they not really all that good but instead a necessary thing that we need? A good thing implies that is is "to be desired or approved of." "having the qualities required for a particular role." "that which is morally right; righteousness." "that which is morally right; righteousness.". It can fit some of those definitions for sure, approved of? sure, people like to help others. To be desired? No. Having the qualities required for a particular role? Not applicable, that which is morally right; righteousness? Thats a crux there isnt it, its morally right for breadlines but not a society that enables it. A society that thinks breadlines are good is just like a society that thinks not kicking your dog is good. Both have no idea of what is really going on and think they are awesome for it.
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #48)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:29 PM

54. We have bread!!!!

 



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Response to Eko (Reply #45)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:08 AM

74. There is a context to "arguing that bread lines are a good thing"

 

and it was pretty clear in that short clip. He was comparing countries where people who didn't have enough money to eat and those countries let people starve to a country where the government provided food to people who didn't have enough money to eat.
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Response to dgauss (Reply #74)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:28 AM

84. I guess you missed this part I wrote?

 

"This is a very subjective cut to a whole conversation and I am not bashing Sanders at all as I don't have all the info, but there are people on here arguing that bread lines are a good thing, they most assuredly are not and I grew up on food stamps and free lunches."
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Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:46 AM

87. I got that which is why I commented.

 

The context is that if there are people who can't afford to eat, is it a good thing thing for the government to provide assistance?


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Response to dgauss (Reply #87)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:47 AM

88. No its not.

 

The government created that situation in the first place. Do you disagree?
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Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:17 AM

92. I think poverty is more complicated then "the government created the situation in the first place."

 

Regardless, the clip is dealing with the reality that there are people who can't afford to eat. He is simply saying that it is good if the government provides food to those people who might otherwise starve.

He is also the most vocal candidate about the problems of wealth inequality, which I think is something directly related to having people in the situation of having to rely assistance in the first place.

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Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:20 AM

94. Once again I am not talking about the clip,

 

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WOW!!!!!!!
"This is a very subjective cut to a whole conversation and I am not bashing Sanders at all as I don't have all the info, but there are people on here arguing that bread lines are a good thing, they most assuredly are not and I grew up on food stamps and free lunches. "
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Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:53 AM

90. Here.

 


40 million Americans are food insecure,* meaning they are often forced to skip meals, eat less at meals, buy cheap non-nutritious food and/or feed their children but not themselves.4
Over 12 million children in the US are food insecure.5
There are 15 million U.S. households suffering from food insecurity – 11.8 percent of all U.S households.6
5.8 million U.S. households suffer from severe food insecurity, which means the people who live in them are often hungry.7
2.9 million households with children are food insecure at some time each year.8
40.6 million Americans currently rely on SNAP (Supplemental Assistance Program, formerly food stamps) to meet their food needs.9
92% of SNAP households have incomes below the poverty line. Additionally, 82% of all SNAP benefits go to the most vulnerable households – those with children, elderly or disabled people.10
Among SNAP households with children, more than half of adults work while receiving SNAP, and almost 90 percent are employed the prior or subsequent year. SNAP helps Americans return to work, and increasingly, it helps those who already work, but do not receive a sufficient wage to feed themselves or their families.11
Many families suffering from hunger and poverty live in areas where fresh, unprocessed, healthy food is not available or is expensive, while the food they do have access to is nutritionally deficient.12

There are 39.7 million people living in poverty in the US, including 12.8 million children.13 That’s 1 in 6 American children.
2018 federal guidelines set the poverty rate at $25,100 for a family of four, but depending on a family’s specific city and state of residence, the actual minimum amount required to raise a family could be two or three times that.15
The vast majority of people who grow, pick and process our food live in poverty and cannot afford to buy adequate healthy food. 86% of jobs in the food system offer very low wages at the poverty level and below the poverty level.16


Just the facts. Richest country in the world.
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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:20 PM

47. speaking of vetting, why are you posting content from what is literally a RW Russian troll account?

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTKTgTsAbPiCFqk6FczA48g/feed









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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

50. Are you surprised?!

 


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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

51. Very good question

 

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Response to Celerity (Reply #47)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:30 PM

55. Do you claim the quote is false?

 

Maybe the whole quote is fake?

Is that what you are saying?
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Response to riverine (Reply #55)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:35 PM

57. not fake but impossible to tell the context, and my original question still stands

 

why are you posting content from what is literally a RW Russian troll account?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:41 PM

59. It is a 12 second clip of Bernie speaking and nothing else.

 

Are you saying that Bernie is a Russian troll? a Soviet sympathizer? Do tell us more!
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Response to riverine (Reply #55)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:35 PM

58. I Googled Bernie Sanders Bread Line Quote and found

 

many sources. These clips are out there regardless of the source, there is no denying that.

It will be interesting to see if there is outrage now over how the Russians helped 3 campaigns attack Hillary.
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #58)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:51 PM

64. curious argument

 

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you say

It will be interesting to see if there is outrage now over how the Russians helped 3 campaigns attack Hillary.


which is obviously so so true and a strange question as there has been massive and justified outrage ever since the orange shitbag won, especially on this site

BUT

the OP just posted content from a YouTube channel that is doing EXACTLY THAT

doesn't seem like a good defence to me, but maybe I am just funny like that

as for the breadline comment, even selectively chopped to 12 seconds it seems innocuous

he is saying that countries who feed the poor are doing a good thing versus letting the rich get all the food and let the poor starve to death


not a Bernie fan, but this entire thing seems dodgy to me
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Response to Celerity (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:00 AM

69. Bernie is NOT saying this (what you claim)

 

he is saying that countries who feed the poor are doing a good thing versus letting the rich get all the food and let the poor starve to death


In the USA we provide EBT on cards so that our poor don't stand in line NOR do the rest of us. Bernie WANTS US ALL IN LINES (per his direct quote).
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Response to riverine (Reply #69)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:21 AM

80. that interview is old, July, 1985, EBT cards first went national

 

almost 20 years later, in 2004

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/electronic-benefits-transfer.asp


so nope, that's weak sauce

and he never said he wanted ALL of our country in bread lines, that is simply a false statement

here is the full interview

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Response to Celerity (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:04 AM

71. I didn't post content. Googling it, though, the clips

 

are out there. Your insinuation was that there was only one source for it, Russians, but there are numerous sources.

Btw, I haven’t seen massive outrage from certain corners of the political world about the attacks on Hillary, I guess because there was a core who couldn’t bring themselves to admit that Hillary was harmed by what we see now coming out about the Mueller indictments — something like a combination of 35 guilty pleas and criminal indictments of Russian interference.
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #71)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:24 AM

81. sorry I replied to the wrong person, my sincere apologies R B

 

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Response to Celerity (Reply #81)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:25 AM

82. No problem!

 

I phone type a lot and do lots of unexplainable things.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:00 AM

68. Here's the context.

 

When asked about the food shortages provoked by the Sandinistas’ voodoo economic policy, Sanders claimed that bread lines were a sign of a healthy economy, suggesting an equitable distribution of wealth: “It’s funny, sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is, that people are lining up for food. That is a good thing! In other countries people don’t line up for food: the rich get the food and the poor starve to death.”

From When Bernie Sanders Thought Castro and the Sandinistas Could Teach America a Lesson

Warning: Some here might find the content at the link inconvenient.
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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #68)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:16 AM

76. From your link:

 

But Sanders has long been attracted to socialist countries that eschewed democracy. He recalled “being very excited when Fidel Castro made a revolution in Cuba” in 1959. “It just seemed right and appropriate that poor people were rising up against a lot of ugly rich people.” In an interview with The Progressive, almost 30 years later, Sanders was still expressing admiration for the Cuban dictatorship: “And what about Cuba? It’s not a perfect society, I grant, but there aren’t children there going hungry. It’s been more successful than almost any other developing country in providing health care for its people. And the Cuban revolution is only 30 years old. It may get even better.”


Holy shit. This guy is a disaster.
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Response to riverine (Reply #76)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 07:56 AM

96. The GOP Slime Machine

 

Will find everything he’s ever said or done and make what they did to HRC look like complements. And honestly, some of those things don’t look that great. His candidacy would be a disaster of epic proportions.
WE. HAVE. TO. WIN. Of all the folks running so far he’s the least likely to get us over the finish line. Sorry.
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Response to Freddie (Reply #96)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:36 PM

109. Nobody listens to them

 

They are not the future.
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Response to Mr Tibbs (Reply #109)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:46 AM

112. The GOP slime machine? Yes, people listen to them.

 

And many of them are on the left.
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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #68)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:20 AM

78. Wow! That is a bombshell. Everyone should bookmark this,

 

it is very comprehensive.

I have to shake my head and cringe at virtually everything in there. Not good at all.
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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #68)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:27 AM

83. "repeated-ad-infinitum sermons about billionaires twisting mustaches, adjusting monocles,

 

and jealously guarding their 'rigged system.'"

Thank you for posting that! Very interesting.
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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #68)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 12:52 AM

89. Yep. Clearly he was not referring to the Great Depression

 

contrary to some comments on the net
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 01:27 AM

95. I listened to Bernie every Friday on Thom Hartmann, probably since 2004. He's good with me.

 

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Response to rusty quoin (Reply #95)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 08:30 AM

97. Much of Sanders' public face is okay with everyone

 

since it's normally very deliberately speaking about what we all want.

Although, now that you remind me, that public face actually did crack open and reveal something of the inner man when he promised his followers a few times (!) to misuse Democratic primary rules to take the nomination from the candidate who (ultimately overwhelmingly) received the popular vote -- and from the 17 million Democrats who voted for that candidate.

Btw, to any for whom his despicable attempt to carry out this absurd promise resulted in humiliating and disappointing defeat, the message that should be taken is "DON'T try, try again." WE don't do that/i].
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #97)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 08:41 AM

98. +1

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 09:46 AM

100. The sauce is weak with this one.

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 03:31 PM

103. I disagree with Sanders

 

I view bread lines negatively.
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Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:40 PM

105. No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted

 

No one took sanders seriously and so he was not vetted. Vetting is important I amso glad that sanders is being vetted this cycle https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717

Finally, what happens when the oppo dump on Sanders comes? We have no idea, because it never happened in 2016. Clinton was so terrified of alienating his supporters and seeing them vote for Jill Stein in the general election (or not vote at all) that she tiptoed around him for pretty much the entirety of the primary campaign. That doesn’t mean that he’ll be destroyed when stories about the more colorful aspects of his history start cropping up, but there’s just no way to know.

Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: There’s no way to know how it’s going to go. But he’s got his work cut out for him.

See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0

2. How will he withstand more scrutiny and more attacks?
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)

Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.

There is a ton of strong opposition research out there that will come out this cycle
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #105)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:21 PM

110. Many of his detractors have been going Non-Stop since 2015

 

I don't expect they will slow down anytime soon.

At this point is just more of the same

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Response to Mr Tibbs (Reply #110)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:42 AM

111. There is a trend in thinking that certain POTUS candidate should be exempt from the usual vetting or

 

scrutiny of past statements, and anyone who applies the same to a favorite is simply a "hater" or "detractor."

People with ambitions to be the Democratic Nominee for the most powerful office in the world are going to be vetted, and there are going to be Democrats who don't think that they are the right choice. This is why we have primaries instead of just having Party Leaders select the candidate.

A candidate who is clearly preparing for a Democratic POTUS run for years is going to receive the scrutiny of their past, vetting, and fact checking and that all other Democratic POTUS candidates get.

No exceptions.

You may want to accept that now, or the next year is going to be very stressful for you.







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Response to ehrnst (Reply #111)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 05:31 PM

123. I am glad that sanders will be vetted this cycle

 

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Response to Mr Tibbs (Reply #110)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:50 AM

113. ...

 

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Response to Mr Tibbs (Reply #110)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 05:30 PM

122. There is so much material out there that it is not funny

 


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Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:46 PM

107. So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienat

 

The GOP has a great oppo file on sanders https://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers.

Here are a few tastes of what was in store for Sanders, straight out of the Republican playbook: He thinks rape is A-OK. In 1972, when he was 31, Sanders wrote a fictitious essay in which he described a woman enjoying being raped by three men. Yes, there is an explanation for it—a long, complicated one, just like the one that would make clear why the Clinton emails story was nonsense. And we all know how well that worked out.

Then there’s the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, and that he stole electricity from a neighbor after failing to pay his bills, and that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermont’s nuclear waste to a poor Hispanic community in Texas, where it could be dumped. You can just see the words “environmental racist” on Republican billboards. And if you can’t, I already did. They were in the Republican opposition research book as a proposal on how to frame the nuclear waste issue.

Also on the list: Sanders violated campaign finance laws, criticized Clinton for supporting the 1994 crime bill that he voted for, and he voted against the Amber Alert system. His pitch for universal health care would have been used against him too, since it was tried in his home state of Vermont and collapsed due to excessive costs. Worst of all, the Republicans also had video of Sanders at a 1985 rally thrown by the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua where half a million people chanted, “Here, there, everywhere/the Yankee will die,’’ while President Daniel Ortega condemned “state terrorism” by America. Sanders said, on camera, supporting the Sandinistas was “patriotic.”

The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I don’t know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:06 PM

117. The bottom line

 

Regardless of your ideology an economy that has shortages of staples like bread which results in lines is a crappy one. Period
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:24 PM

124. For this thread

 


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