Bernie Sanders' LA Rally Draws So Many, Overflow Crowd Fills City Hall Steps Across the Street

[vsrazdem]

https://heavy.com/news/2019/03/bernie-sanders-los-angeles-rally-turnout-la-crowd/

[katmondoo]

1. Too early to be impressed

[still_one]

2. More than 20000 were in Oakland for Kamala Harris. My daughter was there.

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/more-than-20000-people-rally-in-oakland-for-kamala-harris-2020-race/

[vsrazdem]

7. I would certainly hope so since its her backyard.

[still_one]

10. She has had large ctowds at all her rallies in and out of the state.

[vsrazdem]

16. I wouldn't say 2400 in Houston is all that big, but its a start.

[still_one]

18. You seem to be bothered by this I think

[vsrazdem]

20. Not at all. I think the more people come out to hear candidates the better it is for all of us.

I just find it amusing that if Bernie has a good crowd or is up in the polls, it's all of a sudden Fake New. He cannot possibly have any support, the polling is bad, the crowd size is fake and on an on. Its pretty laughable, and to be expected with every post.

[still_one]

21. I never said that. Also, Harris rallies from Iowa and throughout the country in general have been

very good

[George II]

25. To put it into perspective, Harris recently held a rally at the same room of a Church....

...in South Carolina as Sanders did about a few weeks later. She outdrew him by about 20%, and her crowd was more diverse.

Los Angeles has a population of over 4 million, Oakland has a population of 425,000.

[vsrazdem]

26. Of course, anything to put down Bernie's support.

[George II]

27. It's not "putting down" his support, it's just putting it into perspective.

[vsrazdem]

28. Yea keep telling us that, nice spin.

[lapucelle]

53. Fire Department estimates a crowd 12,000 for the BS rally

in Los Angeles, California at the Grand Park downtown, across from City Hall. The park can hold very large crowds of 25,000 to 50,000 people, depending on the setup.

Supporters gathered in the grassy Grand Park outside of City Hall, watching opening acts of folk rock and hip-hop performers. Many said they were Sanders backers since 2016 — or even earlier.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-bernie-sanders-los-angeles-20190323-story.html

[George II]

54. Bazinga!

[BlueFlorida]

34. No one is putting it down

Just tempering the deification to realistic levels. He is just another candidate and all the gowing, floral and ebullient posts will be vetted and put in perspective.

That crowd was somewhat big but not very significant by Los Angeles standards. To compare, Barack Obama's rally in 2008 in Los Angeles had 12,000 people.

[mr_lebowski]

30. To be fair, Oakland is damn near the center of a sprawling megalopolis ...

Referring to its population alone in this context is deceiving ...

Do you see Alameda County there? Oakland is just Northwest of where the 'A' in 'Alameda is ..

And counting the Delta inlets in Solano County, there's 6 Bridges crossing the SF Bay ... Benicia, Vallejo, San Rafael, SF/Oakland, San Mateo, and Dunbarton.

[George II]

33. I know, but Los Angeles is in the center of the largest metropolitan area...

...in the country except possibly the NYC metro area.

[mr_lebowski]

40. Okay, but portraying it roughly 1/8th number of people is deceptive.

If you made me bet, I'd guess an event in Downtown LA would have about 1.4-1.6X more people living within a 60 mile radius (relatively easy travel distance) vs an event in Oakland. No way it's > 2X ... or rather, I'd be blown away if it were. It's for SURE ... nowhere near 8X

In Oakland's favor, however, is what we call Bay Area Rapid Transit, aka BART, which is a massive 'subway' type system, wherein the City of Oakland sits smack in the middle of the whole thing.

Put it this way, you get on ANY BART train? Sit on it long enough ... you're GOING to Oakland. Period. You may have to wait at the end of the line til the train changes direction, but ... yeah. Sit on BART long enough, and you're going to Oakland.

[George II]

56. Okay....

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS725US725&ei=veaXXJDVDNG9ggfun6-4Bg&q=los+angeles+metropolitian+area+populatoin&oq=los+angeles+metropolitian+area+populatoin&gs_l=psy-ab.3..35i304i39j0i13j0i13i30l2j0i8i13i30.21738.23552..24663...0.0..0.90.903.11......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71.3A7uSe_-lZg

LA Metro Area:

13,131,431

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS725US725&ei=ouaXXLyqI6qd_QavzKa4BQ&q=san+francisco+metropolitian+area+populatoin&oq=san+francisco+metropolitian+area+populatoin&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i13.22383.24783..25543...0.0..0.114.1115.12j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j33i10.T-H_uRXFKrw

SF/Oakland Metro Area:

4,727,35

[mr_lebowski]

58. Thank you, those are much better numbers than 425,000 vs 4,000,000

And one should also take into account, when comparing attendance, that Oakland sits smack in the middle of a sprawling, almost 50 year old, heavily used subway system, and that traffic in general is not as bad in the Bay Area (though it's bad, it's not LA-bad).

I'd say it's reasonable to expect around 2X the turnout in Downtown LA over Downtown Oakland ... to be roughly equivalent.

That's all I'm saying

[BlueFlorida]

35. Los Angeles is way bigger than Alameda county nt

[mr_lebowski]

41. See my last note please :) (nt)

[LiberalLovinLug]

47. That's great. And what does that have to do with the OP?

Thanks for the insightful helpful input. It kind of smells like "I know you are but what am I" childishness though.

If the OP was a celebration of ALL of our candidates getting a lot of support your post would fit in well. I'd say the same thing if a Sanders supporter waded into a Harris OP and thread on the subject of her getting a huge crowd somewhere, only to announce how some Sanders rally did better than her. Why not just celebrate it or at least not try and downplay it?

[George II]

57. Please follow the sequence of posts - I wasn't responding to the OP, I was responding to #16.

[LiberalLovinLug]

59. Oh please. Looking through your posts in the thread its clear what your intentions are

I could have directed my comment to the first one on the dog pile you gladly jumped on I guess. But come on, you eagerly jumped on to help "put it into perspective" for us right? Just in case it wasn't made clear by still_one.

And when someone posted the Fire department estimate @ 12000, your response was "Bazinga!"? Was that a cheer for a fellow Democratic party candidate getting out that many, or some kind of "nah nah, my candidate did better!" putdown? My guess is the latter.

[Autumn]

3. If that's overflow that's a darn good showing.

[David__77]

4. Wonderful!

...

[workinclasszero]

5. Huuuge rally for Bernie!

[samnsara]

6. good for all our candidates.. i wanna see HUGE crowds for all of them..

[Tom Rinaldo]

8. +1 n/t

[Lazy Daisy]

52. Damn straight

The more people all of our candidates draw, the more the Democratic idea get out there.

[TexasTowelie]

9. Huge rally attendances do not necessarily equate to votes to be counted.

The photos of the crowd also looked about as diverse as the parties at the Kappa Alpha (the Southern gentlemen) frat house when I was in college and the student body was 93% white.

[dalton99a]

13. Probably the same folks who attended his rally in 2015

There was a large turnout then. Incidentally a funny thing happened the following year:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/as-the-world-berned-picture/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bernie-sanders-rally-california/

[Tipperary]

14. Interesting.

Thanks for posting that.

[George II]

31. That's like when Breitbart published a photo of a trump rally in Florida....

….that turned out to be a photograph of the victory rally for the Cleveland Cavaliers in CLEVELAND!

That didn't stop them, they shortly followed up with at "HUGE" rally in Portland Maine, which was also from the Cavaliers' rally.

[BlueFlorida]

37. Vetting is such a beautiful thing n/t

[Baclava]

11. When is Bernie coming to the Deep South to campaign?

Has he ever?

[George II]

32. He was recently in South Carolina, but didn't get as many people as Harris did....

….at the SAME venue a couple of weeks earlier.

[CentralMass]

43. I'm pretty sure that he out drew her in that SC church .

I think I read that he drew 1,600 and she drew around. 1,000.

[George II]

46. The 1,600 is correct, but her crowd was 2,000+.

This is a pay site, but it said her crowd was over 2,000:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/paloma/the-trailer/2019/02/17/the-trailer-what-we-learned-about-harris-2020-this-weekend/5c66cbe81b326b71858c6ba0/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.89b89d3e7bca

"More than 2,000 people, inside her events, heard her describe the "progressive prosecutor" who's portrayed in her memoir."

She had two rallies in SC.

[Uncle Joe]

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread vsrazdem.

[vsrazdem]

19. Your welcome.

Funny, how every time Bernie has a large rally, they cry foul that is not diverse enough, but any other candidate and they are all in a flutter about how great it is.

[Uncle Joe]

22. I believe it's from decades of corporate media conglomerate propaganda demonizing the word

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/truman-socialism-scare-word/

The Republicans could never accomplish such a feat on their own and the inherent conflict of interest between corporate media "news" /editorial bottom line considerations and what social polices are best for the American Nation is the elephant in the room with them.

The older generations received their information predominately from T.V. a one way form of communication, T.V. is literally a hypnotizing force.

The Internet; which the younger generations grew up with, changed the rules of the game, The Information Superhighway; by nature increases literacy to a greater or lesser extent, while democratizing information among the people.

[ucrdem]

23. No it's the way he dumps on the ACA

and every other Democratic accomplishment, except of course Medicare. Not to mention on Democrats. He's been doing it since he's held office.

[Uncle Joe]

24. Who benefits the most from Medicare?

[BlueFlorida]

39. This

[ucrdem]

15. It's a nice crowd but not remotely close to 25,000

as reported at the link. I'd realistically divide by 25 here. Grand Park is basically a playground across from City Hall, and Lake Merritt in Oakland is a real lake. I think Harris' crowds were a lot bigger.

[Buzz Lightyear]

17. His Bronx crowd was huge in 2016

He won New York if I'm not mistaken.

[happybird]

48. HRC won the NY primary by a good margin

Clinton 1,133,980
Sanders 820,056

[rgbecker]

29. Crowd demands release of Tax returns, calls Bernie divisive and not at Democrat

Not.

[LiberalLovinLug]

45. lol

[KPN]

38. Good to see. Any Democratic candidate drawing a large crowd is a good thing. We need energy,

commitment to vote Dem in 2020 regardless of who heads the ticket, and then follow through. We have some really great folks to choose from this election. It's going to be tough. Though I love Bernie, I'm leaning Buttigieg at this point.

[BlueFlorida]

42. Hopefully, all these people will support

the eventual Democratic nominee and not stay home or vote third party.

[Power 2 the People]

44. That's so great that our candidates are drawing such enthusiasm and large crowds!

[workinclasszero]

49. I found your song P2TP

It's always playing at Bernie rallies.

[Power 2 the People]

51. LOL. The song was always my inspiration.

[workinclasszero]

55. It's a good one!

[Power 2 the People]

62. Thanks.

Just letting you know that a workingclasszero is something to be.

[workinclasszero]

64. LOL

And that's where I got my handle.

[lunamagica]

50. Crowds are meaningless

[Paladin]

60. Nominating Bernie would just be handing trump a second term. (nt)

[Blue_true]

61. Bernie draws big crowds. Not so much at the primary ballot box.

Crowd size matters up to a point.

[NastyRiffraff]

63. And Bernie fed the crowd with only one Big Mac and a large order of fries

and all were amazed.

Yeah, I'm undermining Bernie's support. Incoming 1...2...3...