Why Did Bernie Sanders Endorse the Extremely Gross Sexist Cenk Uygur

[George II]

It has long been a narrative online and on Twitter that the Bernie Sanders campaign has a sexism problem. Namely, that some of his supporters, the oft-cited “Bernie Bros,” have a sexism problem. And while his campaign counts an equal number of women among its supporters as it does men, and young women in particular flock to his campaign, the Sanders campaign has struggled at times to overcome the perception that it has done too little to address the issue.

Which makes Sanders’s decision to throw his support behind Cenk Uygur, the founder of the Young Turks now running for Congress in California’s 25th Congressional District, all the more perplexing. According to the Los Angeles Times, Sanders described Uygur as “a voice that we desperately need in Congress” and someone who “has shown enormous courage in standing up to the greed and power of the corporate elite, and has spent his entire life fighting for justice and the needs of the working people of our country” in making his endorsement. The problem, as the Times noted, is that Uygur has a long history of making wildly sexist comments, which is all the more infuriating given that he’s running to take over former Representative Katie Hill’s seat. Hill, as you probably recall, stepped down after nude photos were published of her in rightwing media outlets, part of a smear campaign likely orchestrated by her estranged husband.

(snip)

Here’s some of what Uygur, who was in his late 20s and early 30s at the time he authored these blogs, wrote (per HuffPost):

“Obviously, the genes of women are flawed,” Uygur wrote in a 1999 post lamenting the inadequate amount of sex he was having while living in Miami, Florida. “They are poorly designed creatures who do not want to have sex nearly as often as needed for the human race to get along peaceably and fruitfully.”

In a 2002 entry in which Uygur described the “rules of dating,” he specified that “there must be orgasm by the fifth date.” And in a 2003 column, he described drunken revelry at Mardi Gras in New Orleans, Louisiana, where he “kissed over 23 different women, saw and felt countless breasts.”

LOTS more at the link.....

https://theslot.jezebel.com/why-did-bernie-sanders-endorse-the-extremely-gross-sexi-1840412887?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=theslot_twitter

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/jezebel/

[dewsgirl]

1. Because TYT worships Bernie Sanders?

My son and his friends are all staunch millenial/gen Z BS supporters and all listen to/are members of TYT.

[greatauntoftriplets]

2. Excellent question.

I think that dewsgirl got it right.

[Skya Rhen]

3. Bernie's beholding to Cenk because of his support. I guess he's just not beholding to corporations.

[SidDithers]

4. Cenk is the very definition of a Bernie Bro...nt

Sid

[Hortensis]

84. :) Beautifully concise. As Sanders himself put it:

“As I said yesterday, Cenk has been a longtime fighter against the corrupt forces in our politics and he’s inspired people all across the country.”

Interpretation: RW Uygur's schtick is lying about and attacking Democrats, while posturing as more progressive than progressive, and those he inspires across the country include those Sanders supporters who lap this stuff up.

Putin's state propagandists at RT also find Uygur's messages very useful and spread them "across the country" free of charge. Can't know that Sanders would consider that a plus for him personally, but otoh it's clear that he didn't see it as a liability.

[Rollerman]

5. So in this Fourm

People aren’t allowed to change, express remorse and regret for their past, apologize and move on.
Tough crowd, it must be nice to have lived a perfect life.

[TwilightZone]

10. He hasn't really changed.

"Uygur’s explicit comments about the physique of women in Miami continued through at least 2013, however, when he marveled on Twitter about the city’s “improbable breasts” and “improbable butts.” He also declared Miami women “outrageously, almost unacceptably, hot”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/justice-democrats-ousts-cenk-uygur_n_5a3eb4d1e4b025f99e178181

[Polybius]

113. He also declared Miami women "outrageously, almost unacceptably, hot"

That opinion disqualifies him forever?

[SidDithers]

11. Please show how Cenk has changed...

Or where he apologized for his earlier comments.

Oh. And welcome to DU.

Sid

[Rollerman]

17. From the same HuffPost article:

“Uygur apologized profusely for his past writing, telling The Wrap in an interview that his comments were “really insensitive and ignorant.”

“If you read that today, what I wrote 18 years ago, and you’re offended by it, you’re 100 percent right,” the progressive pundit said. “And anyone who is subjected to that material, I apologize to. And I deeply regret having written that stuff when I was a different guy.”

Uygur also noted that at the time, he “was still a conservative who thought that stuff was politically incorrect and edgy.

“When you read it now, it looks really, honestly, ugly. And it’s very uncomfortable to read,” he added.”

And thanks for the welcome.

[George II]

66. He wasn't a conservative when he spoke about bestiality in 2013, and he didn't write it....

....he went on about it on his show.

[Starry Messenger]

44. I don't know--ask all the people who thought "Goldwater Girl" was cool

[mcar]

48. Boom!

[LongtimeAZDem]

89. Clinton was a "Goldwater Girl" 55 years ago; Uygur was talking bestiality 6 years ago

But, they're obviously the same thing.

[sheshe2]

101. +1000

[betsuni]

106. +1

[ehrnst]

128. Yep. When HRC was a teenager. Bernie... not so much. (nt)

[marble falls]

132. Was she a "Goldwater girl" in the last fifty years? ...

I was a Goldwater boy 55yrs ago, but I wasn't 50yrs ago or since.

[quickesst]

67. No

"People aren’t allowed to change, express remorse and regret for their past, apologize and move on."

Ask Joe Biden.

[LongtimeAZDem]

85. Do a search on Sanders supporters here attacking Biden all the way back to 1972

You're new; you need to catch up.

[Cha]

123. cenk is Whining.. trying to shift the Blame.. not working..

Link to tweet

[marble falls]

131. The enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend. Cenk has ...

problems. I supported Bernie last time right up to the convention, a lot Bernie supporters became unglued and I suspect a lot of Bernie bros after the convention weren't supporters but were purely trolling.

Stick in and see we aren't that tough of a crowd.

Hillary Clinton was robbed.

[Hav]

6. Rewarding those who support you?

You endorse me, I endorse you.
And no need to go back that far. He has shown consistently what an ahole he is. I hope he really gets destroyed in that primary.

[George II]

8. I wish I could have posted more of the article. He's expressed similar sentiments as recently....

....as a few years ago.

[NurseJackie]

7. Cenk is toxic. It reflects poorly on the judgement of anyone who would endorse him.

I believe that this will hurt Bernie in the long run. As the in-depth vetting of Cenk progresses, more disgusting information will be revealed and discussed.

People will learn more about Cenk and will wonder one of two things: 1) Does Bernie actually approve of or admire him? And what does this tell us about Bernie's ethics and priorities? 2) Why didn't Bernie take the time to do some basic research and minimal vetting of his own before staking his own reputation on someone like Cenk?

There are NO answers to those to questions that reflect well on Bernie. It's very likely that Bernie will regret making this decision.

All I'm saying is that Bernie Sanders has made a GRAVE mistake.

[PhoenixDem]

40. Cenk will be like an anchorweight around BS's neck

dragging him into deep dark waters with no paddle

[NurseJackie]

41. Yes. I believe you're correct about that. This will hurt BS for a very long time...

Yes. I believe you're correct about that. This will hurt BS for a very long time. I think it's a mortal wound to his campaign.

Have you heard Cenk basically "endorsing" bestiality? It's disgusting. He even imitates the sound of a horse having an orgasm (or something) when trying to explain that if the horse comes, then it's a-okay and no harm or abuse was done.

Cenk is disgusting. Promoting bestiality makes me want to VOMIT!

[Cha]

124. they finally woke up to that.

[The Valley Below]

9. Because Cenk Uygur has a "a voice that we desperately need in Congress" according to Sanders.

I could not disagree more.

Yet, I find the endorsement totally unsurprising.

[Cha]

20. BS also says ". because I know he will serve ordinary people.." lol

Right.. cenk uygur is a lewd serial misogynist.. and you don't just say sorry!

Link to tweet

“I am proud to endorse Christy Smith because she will work to fight corruption, lower the cost of prescription drugs, fully fund public schools and build a strong middle-class economy that works for all Americans,” Pelosi said in a statement shared first with CQ Roll Call.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/pelosi-endorses-christy-smith-race-replace-rep-katie-hil

Christy Smith has Nancy Pelosi! l

[The Valley Below]

28. I wonder if Cenk has ever even visited the CA 25th?

This is not his kind of district. At. All.

[Rollerman]

74. For the record, Christy Smith was a Republican

Is that automatic disqualify, too?

[sheshe2]

78. Link?

Her page here does not say that. When was she a Republican?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christy_Smith_(politician)

She also has been endorsed by both Pelosi and Feinstein.

[LongtimeAZDem]

87. I can find nothing to support that allegation; please provide proof

[sheshe2]

100. I hear crickets.

[ehrnst]

129. Because you say so?

[LongtimeAZDem]

91. Is that his "horse voice"?

[PhoenixDem]

96. ...

[NYMinute]

98. 4 out of 5 horses

say naayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to allowing Cenk to ride them

[comradebillyboy]

12. Does Cenk still advocate for beastiality?

[George II]

13. Not sure, but he certainly hasn't disavowed it. That was only six years ago, not a long time.

[treestar]

14. Oh boy . . .

That was strange! I feel bad for the female co-anchor.

[NurseJackie]

19. OMG! Insane! WTF is wrong with him???

[Cha]

22. Good question.. you don't support vile shite and

just say.. "sorry "

[NurseJackie]

30. The thought of it makes me want to vomit! Disgusting! Bernie made a BIG mistake...

The thought of it makes me want to vomit! Disgusting! Bernie made a BIG mistake endorsing him. It tells me that Bernie doesn't care to properly vet. Or that Bernie doesn't care what he said. Either way, no matter which is true, it doesn't reflect very well on Bernie... or on his priorities... or on his judgement... or on his character.

All he had to do was to wait. Or to just keep his mouth shut. Or to simply let SOMEONE ELSE do some very basic vetting with a google/youtube search. Why didn't he do that? That would have been the BARE MINIMUM of vetting.

I'm afraid this could have devastating consequences on the BS campaign.

[LongtimeAZDem]

90. Are we sure it was a mistake? Has anyone asked Bernie his position on bestiality?

They should.

[NurseJackie]

93. I completely agree.

🐎🐴🐎

[LongtimeAZDem]

94. "The campaign declined to comment, as the spokesman was a little horse"

[NurseJackie]

95. OMG

[ehrnst]

111. .....

[Sapient Donkey]

130. I was expecting him to be saying it as a joke or just to be shocking/trollish

but I get the impression he was actually make that case in all seriousness.

[treestar]

15. standing up to the greed and power of the corporate elite, and has spent his entire life fighting fo

r justice and the needs of the working people of our country



Can we forgive his sexism and advocacy of bestiality in return for his awesome progress in stopping the greed and power of the corporate elite? These are some of the trade-offs we must consider.

[OldRed2450]

16. Bernie camp doubles down.

Link to tweet

[Cha]

25. "mistakes"! "Beastiality is more than

a mistake.. & years of lewd serial misogyny and whatever else cenk made an ass out of himself over.. you don't just say "sorry ".

And, of course, BS is "doubling down".

[NurseJackie]

88. Cenk is a disgusting liar. He defends/advocates bestiality (as long as the horse is satisfied)

Cenk is a disgusting liar. He defends/advocates bestiality (as long as the horse is satisfied) ... "whinny-whinny" so apparently as long as the horse comes, then it's not animal abuse.

I've never heard anything more disgusting in my life! It's sick. He's sick sick SICK!

It's NOT ENOUGH for Bernie to simply "withdraw" his endorsement. That's the chicken-shit way out. Too easy. Instead, Bernie needs to take this opportunity to show the world what kind of leader he can be. He needs to condemn Cenk for his statements that promote and defend sexual animal abuse.

Jesus! This is some sick shit!

Bernie needs to step up!

Cenk needs to go away! Forever!

[Me.]

103. What Is Wrong With The Set-up Over There

is BS aware of how often this has happened? He's been in politics for ages so excuses of naive don't work here. Something is very wrong with his endorsements.

He's doubling down? Then he gets what he gets.

[Cha]

104. It was all over when cenk got Kicked out of jd..BS knew of cenk's past lewd serial

misogyny and end endorsed him anyway.

Progressive Group Ousts Cenk Uygur Over Past Sexist Writing

The Justice Democrats ousted Cenk Uygur, one of its founding board members and a creator of progressive online network The Young Turks, following the Thursday revelation that Uygur had authored sexist blogposts in the early 2000s.

The left-leaning political organization, which Uygur and others established this year to support progressive primary challenges against Democratic incumbents in Congress, made the announcement Friday. The group also severed ties with David Koller, who co-founded The Young Turks with Uygur and served as Justice Democrats’ treasurer. A 2004 blogpost in which Koller used degrading language about women he and Uygur met on a road-trip surfaced this week as well.

“The words and conduct in Mr. Uygur and Mr. Koller’s posts degrade what it means to be a Justice Democrat,” Justice Democrats executive director Saikat Chakrabarti said in a Friday evening statement announcing the board’s decision to demand Uygur and Koller’s resignations. “We do not feel that Mr. Uygur is fit to lead or participate in an organization that truly believes women’s issues and the issues of black and brown people are all of our issues.”

The Justice Democrats board reached its decision to call for their departures after hearing Uygur’s “side of the story” and consulting with the political candidates the group has endorsed, Chakrabarti said.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/justice-democrats-ousts-cenk-uygur_us_5a3eb4d1e4b025f99e178181

Aloha, Me

[Me.]

108. This

[Cha]

116. Exactly.. Mahalo, Me..

[TidalWave46]

18. Because Cenk runs what is basically a PAC for Sanders. NT

[Rollerman]

23. Please Show Me

What PAC you are referring to. Sen Sanders doesn’t take SuperPac money and all I can find is $10,000 from the Postal Workers.

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/contributors?cid=N00000528&cycle=2020&type=P

[TidalWave46]

26. You can't be serious.

Reading is fundamental.

[Rollerman]

65. Not an Answer

[George II]

45. Have you not heard of Wolf PAC?

[Rollerman]

68. Yes I Have.

Wolf PAC is a nonpartisan political action committee formed in 2011 with the goal of adding an "amendment to the United States Constitution to ensure balance, integrity, and transparency to our national system of campaign finance".
They don’t give any money to any candidate.

[George II]

69. Wolf PAC is a Super PAC. By law they're prohibited from contributing to any candidates....

But the CAN work on behalf of candidates as long as they don't coordinate with them.

[Rollerman]

71. Have you attended a Wolf PAC planning session?

They only plan strategies to work with State Legislators to pass a Constitutional Amendment to get outside money out of politics. Specific candidates are never discussed, nor does any money raised go to any candidate.
Some posting here have legitimate concerns concerning Sen Sanders endorsement of Cenk, based on facts. Bringing up Wolf PAC in this context is just not valid.

[lapucelle]

75. And what fine work this Super PAC does!

[George II]

81. National Nurses United's Super PAC has spent close to $5M supporting him:

https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cmte=C00490375&cycle=2016

[booley]

21. Maybe because Cenk denounced/apologized years ago?

Seems that is kind of important to the story.

Yes, it does get around to mentioning that all the posts came from " late 1990s and early 2000s"... way down the in the story.
And that Cenk apologized and denounced his comments.. way down in the story

This is called "Burying the Lead"

Linking this to Sanders, implying Sanders is sexist or at least comfortable with it, is called guilt by association. It also suggests Sanders female supporters are somehow stupid.

Personally we have forgiven Democrats who haven't' changed or apologized. We have recognized there is a degree of separation between people even when they are closely associated (Cough cough Hllary Clinton/Harvey Weinstein)

I think we can forgive someone who [link:https://thehill.com/homenews/media/366156-young-turks-founder-apologizes-for-ignorant-past-blog-posts-about-women|admitted they were wrong and did a 180 on his views.
]

BTw if Christy Hill has wanted Sander's endorsement, maybe she should actually state what her positions are? Her web site doesnt' seem t think this is important enough to highlight.

[OldRed2450]

24. He continues to be vile...

and has recently defended those remarks. You need to read the whole article. He defended this stuff as recent as 2016. Hillary did not endorse Weinstein (sp) Bernie is putting his stamp of approval on this guy.

Link to tweet

[booley]

31. Think the laughter might be a clue he isnt' really being serious?

BTw weird you didn't put up where he "recently defended those remarks". Especially when I gave you a link where he clearly denounced them. That's a contradiction you need to explain that. Preferably by a direct quote

Speaking of direct quotes, I admit I m skeptical of videos where the context is edited out so I found the original video of the Rogan interview

And I actually watched it.

?t=4436

The context is Primate physiology and human vs ape penises and if monogamy is natural"
He doesn't' think it is.

Personally I think he's way off on the science but gets some things right (like why some apes and have small penises or large testicles and why humans have the genitalia they do.)
But he never says it is ok to have unasked for dick pics which btw is the actual problem.. when a woman didn't ask for them. You may think that's what he's saying but I don't' see it and I watched that section over and over to see if it was there. I mean urination is totally natural for meant to do as well. Doesn't mean stating that fact is justifying peeing all over the rug.

I guess you could also criticize Cenk for saying women are promiscuous. Maybe called Rogan out for saying "slut". I think he should have. But Uygur made it clear he doesn't' think women having multiple sex partners is wrong. I admit I don't' either since I don't' think Katy Hill should have resigned.

Anyway, point is, after calling out the story for being misleading and video editing is my job, giving me a tightly clipped video with no context probably isn't compelling evidence you may think it is. Nor is asserting something that isn't' backed up.


And AGAIn, Uygur's political positions are clear. Christy Smith, on the other hand, doesn't' seem to think her politics are important beyond having a D by her name on the ballot. History has shown that is a losing strategy for Democrats. To me what a person will DO while in office is important.

[George II]

43. Ah the ol' fallback "I was just joking"?

[Happy Hoosier]

50. If you wanna make this argument, be my guest....

But it is NOT a good luck, and this will splatter on Bernie.

It's okay to say your guy messed up.

[booley]

34. Since weinstein never ran for office I would be surprised if Clinton endorsed him

But she did take his money.
She did hang out with him.

And she did so for years even after it was an open secret he was a predator.

It didn't' become an issue until her until it was publically embarrassing.

But we (correctly) recognize Hillary Clinton is not responsible for Weinstein. Guilt by association is problematic.

Yet somehow when it's Sanders the rules change.

[OldRed2450]

36. Hillary denounced Weinstein.

Bernie has not denounced Cenk. Retracted endorsement but not denounced. Bernie has a history of supporting these types and only withdrawing after backlash.

[George II]

38. One of the big differences is that Clinton became aquainted with him years before anything....

....came out about him.

Uygur's comments and behavior has been well known long BEFORE Sanders endorsed him yesterday.

[George II]

32. He has never apologized for some of the things he's said in the past, and some of them....

....were said in 2013, only six years ago. That's not too long in the past.

[lapucelle]

35. Secretary Clinton was "closely associated" with Harvey Weinstein?

Maybe in Sean Hannity and Jill Stein’s fever dreams, but not in the actual reality based world.

[George II]

37. Did Weinstein endorse Clinton for President, or did Clinton endorse Weinstein for Congress?

[MaryMagdaline]

77. I'm sorry but bestiality is something unforgetable

The ads from the Republican opponent would be equally unforgetable

I don’t even know what the other Democrat stands for, but “I don’t joke about or endorse bestiality” gets my vote.

[Cha]

118. justice dems KICKED cenk OUT in 2017 as UNFIT to serve..

Progressive Group Ousts Cenk Uygur Over Past Sexist Writing

The Justice Democrats ousted Cenk Uygur, one of its founding board members and a creator of progressive online network The Young Turks, following the Thursday revelation that Uygur had authored sexist blogposts in the early 2000s.

The left-leaning political organization, which Uygur and others established this year to support progressive primary challenges against Democratic incumbents in Congress, made the announcement Friday. The group also severed ties with David Koller, who co-founded The Young Turks with Uygur and served as Justice Democrats’ treasurer. A 2004 blogpost in which Koller used degrading language about women he and Uygur met on a road-trip surfaced this week as well.

“The words and conduct in Mr. Uygur and Mr. Koller’s posts degrade what it means to be a Justice Democrat,” Justice Democrats executive director Saikat Chakrabarti said in a Friday evening statement announcing the board’s decision to demand Uygur and Koller’s resignations. “We do not feel that Mr. Uygur is fit to lead or participate in an organization that truly believes women’s issues and the issues of black and brown people are all of our issues.”

The Justice Democrats board reached its decision to call for their departures after hearing Uygur’s “side of the story” and consulting with the political candidates the group has endorsed, Chakrabarti said.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/justice-democrats-ousts-cenk-uygur_us_5a3eb4d1e4b025f99e178181

cenk's utterings are beyond the pale.. "I'm sorry " doesn't work.

[apcalc]

27. Immediate disqualifier

[Wawannabe]

29. Cenk is a pussy grabber

And Bernie is supporting him. And doubling down.

Sickening!

[BootinUp]

33. I would like to answer, but rules you know. Nt

[NYMinute]

39. Birds of a feather flock together

and I don't mean eagles or even sparrows or finches ....

[sheshe2]

42. Dear Goddess!

What is he thinking.

[mcar]

46. Another misstep by team Sanders

[NurseJackie]

49. Not denouncing it was another misstep. Taking the easy way out reveals much.

Not denouncing it was another misstep. Taking the easy way out reveals much. A candidate who takes the path of least resistance--rather than making difficult choices--reveals much about what kind of leader they'd be.

I believe that this will hurt Bernie in the long run. As the in-depth vetting of Cenk progresses, more disgusting information will be revealed and discussed.

People will learn more about Cenk and will wonder one of two things: 1) Does Bernie actually approve of or admire him? And what does this tell us about Bernie's ethics and priorities? 2) Why didn't Bernie take the time to do some basic research and minimal vetting of his own before staking his own reputation on someone like Cenk?

There are NO answers to those to questions that reflect well on Bernie. It's very likely that Bernie will regret making this decision.

All I'm saying is that Bernie Sanders has made a GRAVE mistake. At this point, it's NOT ENOUGH to withdraw an endorsement that Cenk himself doesn't value or want anyway.

In order to restore whatever reputation he hopes to retain, BS needs to speak out strongly against Cenk and the disgusting, sickening, nauseating, and perverted things that were said.

We're waiting, Bernie. We're waiting.

[bluedye33139]

47. I am not a fan of the Young Turks but Cenk is not the devil

I gave up watching them because of the negativity and because their tone is negative, fatalistic, defeatist. On actual policy issues, I agree with Cenk on almost everything.

I wish he hadn't put himself forward for this congressional seat. I think his niche is in the media, and I think he has a lot to contribute there.

Also, Christy Smith would have gotten my support if I lived in that district anyway. She has experience and not a lot of baggage. Also, on policy, I see no problems with her.

[NurseJackie]

51. You understand the significance of the "Young Turks" name?

You know the whole thing was bankrolled with Republican money?

You know he has the greatest contempt for the Democratic party and its leadership? That's why he created the "Justice Democrats" with the (not so subtle) philosophy that the Democratic party needs to be "destroyed" to be rebuilt.

Yeah, he's the "devil". He's no friend of Democrats or the Democratic party.

He's a snake in the grass... an opportunist.

I don't trust him.

He's also got some SICK sexual fantasies in his justifications and defense of bestiality. Makes me want to vomit!

[bluedye33139]

52. As I say, I'm not a fan. As for the name Young Turks,

it appears to be a pun based upon his Turkish ancestry. Is there some nefarious meaning I'm missing?

[George II]

54. A group who called themselves "The Young Turks" perpetrated the Armenian genocide....

....from 1913 to 1923. More than 1.5 million Armenians were slaughtered during that time.

For decades Cenk Uygur, born in Istanbul, denied that the Armenian genocide even took place. To add insult to injury, when he started his talk show on Sirius radio in 2002, he chose the offensive name "The Young Turks".

He only recently acknowledged, in 2017, that the genocide was real.

https://www.armenian-genocide.org/young_turks.html

[bluedye33139]

56. Idiomatically, it also refers to many other things

In particular, it refers to young people agitating politically. It is used in dozens of settings.

I guess a bigger question is, so what? The term is being used ironically because of his Turkish ancestry. It is a common idiom in our language, frequently used by Americans and British people to refer to young people engaged in politics.

I guess the question should have been, do you know what that idiom means?

[George II]

57. The idiom traces back to The Young Turks who were a revolutionary group in the Ottoman Empire.....

....back then.

Since he had been denying the Armenian genocide as early as 1991 and only acknowledged it in 2017, his choice of the name in 2002 was not ironic but intentional.

[bluedye33139]

58. Yes, it does. And it is utilized today in a variety of ways idiomatically

Are you alleging that Cenk is plotting to murder an enormous percentage of the American population? Are you claiming that he's plotting some kind of genocide? I guess I'm not following you here. You seem to be warning me of some dire end nefarious facet of this gentleman, of whom I am not a fan.

[George II]

59. You asked for an explanation about why The Young Turks is considered in a negative light....

....around here. I answered you. If you don't like the explanation please do your own research in the future.

Thanks.

[George II]

61. I didn't "come at you like this"! I very clearly answered your question about the notoriety....

....of the name "The Young Turks" in a very pleasant manner. And each response from you since has been "coming at me".

Sorry I even bothered. Like I said, in the future do your own research.

[George II]

64. No I didn't ask you that. Sorry, but we're finished.

[R B Garr]

109. Wow, that is just sad. What an absolutely vile

“ex” Republican. This is the behavior of savage Republicans. Mocking, ridicule, and ignorant denial are their hallmarks. It’s disqualifying that Bernie would overlook this about Cenk.

[Polybius]

114. "You understand the significance of the "Young Turks" name?"

Cenk was born in Turkey.

[NurseJackie]

115. Maybe this will help. Scroll up to post 54, or...

Maybe this will help. Scroll up to post 54, or... click this link:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287380386#post54

[brutus smith]

53. I've lost count of how many times I've been told we want a "purist" candidate.

Kinda hypocritical don't ya think.

[floppyboo]

55. Strom Thurmond: "one of my closest friends"

Its never so simple.
And then I think of that ex-neo-nazi Ciprollini (?) and all the good he is doing now to combat white supremacy.
And I think of my uncle, who on the day he got out of jail, came by with my mom to hold my new baby.

This is so dumb.

[LongtimeAZDem]

86. "Bernie Sanders endorses bestiality advocate" Picture that commercial running in every market.

[BuffaloJackalope]

62. Next we'll be hear that it's just a "youthful indiscretion"

[totodeinhere]

70. It's very rare indeed when we can find a perfect candidate.

Cenk has made some mistakes and said some stupid things. But I think his heart is in the right place now and he is very good on a lot of progressive issues. And I thought that good progressives believed in redemption and second chances. If I lived in that district I would vote for him.

[lillypaddle]

72. guess he hasn't been paying attention

Exactly what you want in a president. Right?

God forbid if this man wins the primary ... I have been trying hard not to say anything about him that is negative, but damn, I do wonder what my DU friends are thinking when they support him.

[Hav]

73. Just read his recent Twitter messages and you know why

Mostly railing against "establishment Democrats", the MSM and his "corporate Democrat" opponent.
You've all heard it before from one candidate and his supporters. It's the same act.

[lapucelle]

82. Didn't Cenk get millions in seed money from a firm headed by a Republican billionaire?

https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/04/buddy-roemer-firm-invests-4-million-in-young-turks-network-186934

[NYMinute]

97. Yep

and there were subsequent rounds totaling $14.7 million

[betsuni]

76. Convincing his audience not to vote for the Democrat in 2016 is worse, in my opinion.

Cenk said he was shocked after polling his audience how they would vote in the general election: Hillary or Never Hillary. 80% Never Hillary.

Shocked!

[democratisphere]

79. Says a lot about BS's character.

Shouldn't be sloughed off!

[Hortensis]

83. This: "As I said yesterday, Cenk has been a longtime fighter against

the corrupt forces in our politics and he’s inspired people all across the country.”

Interpretation: Uygar attacks Democrats and appeals to a lot of people who drawn by those messages. Overlapping constituencies.

[betsuni]

92. I like how Cenk doesn't insinuate like "corrupt forces in our politics" but comes right out

and says "establishment Democrats" accept bribes. "I point out their corporate contributions are bribes." He should keep doing this, Democratic voters will love it!

Yet we're never given any evidence of Democrats changing their policies because of bribes. How are these hardened criminals getting away with it? I guess for the same reason HRC got away with all the crimes Cenk frothed at the mouth about for years.

[Me.]

102. Good One

[OldRed2450]

112. Exactly!

Cenk was a rabid conservative & raging capitalist not long ago. He found a niche market, got millions in funding from the GOP & tens of millions in additional funding from venture capitalists & is building a media empire that's sole purpose is attacking DEMS

[Hortensis]

121. Yes. His profitable niche market is mostly the same naive

and dissident LWers who helped hand the nation to the Republicans and have learned nothing.

There are a lot more of us than RW voters + that fringe of screwed-up, illiberal LWers, though. We'll end up protecting them all from themselves as we have for so long. Damn if I wouldn't like them to get what they think they want for once, though. So far innocent victims, even terrified and traumatized children, are taking most of the consequences for the guilty who so deserve them.

[Gothmog]

99. From the Hoarse Whisperer

Link to tweet

[Cha]

105. Gotta Love the Hoarse Whisperer!

Mahalo, Goth

[OldRed2450]

119. I wonder if Hoarse whisperer's horses

Know something personal about Cenk? He might have more than one reason to dislike the guy.

[Cha]

120. I know Hoarse doesn't

put up with any gaslighting bullshit from these types. Booom!

[Hortensis]

107. Imagining a lemonade stand staffed by Sirota and Sarsour...

What could go wrong?

[dalton99a]

110. +1

[Cha]

122. When he was warned not to by the BS CA branch.

[Cha]

125. Still an open question..

Link to tweet

[Lexee]

126. I would like to Hear Sanders explanation too, since he is being deemed a feminist.

[Cha]

127. That would be only fair since The Nation

made that ridiculous claim. But, I think it's something that will Never happen.

Also, something that is Not going down the Rabbit Hole.

Link to tweet

Mahalo, Lexee