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RandySF

(59,606 posts)
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:40 AM Dec 2019

In full statement, Gabbard calls impeachment a "partisan process", Democrats "extreme".

Washington, DC -- Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D, Hawaii) today released the following statement today on her vote regarding the impeachment of President Trump:

Throughout my life, whether through serving in the military or in Congress, I’ve always worked to do what is in the best interests of our country. Not what’s best for me politically or what’s best for my political party. I have always put our country first. One may not always agree with my decision, but everyone should know that I will always do what I believe to be right for the country that I love.

After doing my due diligence in reviewing the 658-page impeachment report, I came to the conclusion that I could not in good conscience vote either yes or no.

I am standing in the center and have decided to vote Present. I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing.

I also could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting President must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country. When I cast my vote in support of the impeachment inquiry nearly three months ago, I said that in order to maintain the integrity of this solemn undertaking, it must not be a partisan endeavor. Tragically, that’s what it has been.

On the one side — The president’s defenders insist that he has done nothing wrong. They agree with the absurd proclamation that his conduct was “perfect.” They have abdicated their responsibility to exercise legitimate oversight, and instead blindly do the bidding of their party’s leader.

On the other side — The president’s opponents insist that if we do not impeach, our country will collapse into dictatorship. All but explicitly, they accuse him of treason. Such extreme rhetoric was never conducive to an impartial fact-finding process.

The Founders of our country made clear their concerns about impeachment being a purely partisan exercise. In the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton warned against any impeachment that would merely “connect itself with the pre-existing factions,” and “enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other.” In such cases, he said, “there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.”

Donald Trump has violated public trust. Congress must be unequivocal in denouncing the president’s misconduct and stand up for the American people and our democracy. To this end, I have introduced a censure resolution that will send a strong message to this president and future presidents that their abuses of power will not go unchecked, while leaving the question of removing Trump from office to the voters to decide.

I am confident that the American people will decide to deliver a resounding rebuke of President Trump’s innumerable improprieties and abuses. And they will express that judgment at the ballot box. That is the way real and lasting change has always occurred in this great country: through the forcefully expressed will of the people.

A house divided cannot stand. And today we are divided. Fragmentation and polarity are ripping our country apart. This breaks my heart, and breaks the hearts of all patriotic Americans, whether we are Democrats, Republicans, or Independents.

So today, I come before you to make a stand for the center, to appeal to all of you to bridge our differences and stand up for the American people.

My vote today is a vote for much needed reconciliation and hope that together we can heal our country. Let’s work side-by-side, seeking common ground, to usher in a bright future for the American people and our nation.



https://www.tulsi2020.com/press/2019-12-19-tulsi-gabbard-releases-statement-impeachment-president-trump?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=impeachment_vote

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In full statement, Gabbard calls impeachment a "partisan process", Democrats "extreme". (Original Post) RandySF Dec 2019 OP
Sounds like she's getting ready for a 3rd party run. nt pnwmom Dec 2019 #1
Yep. Her work is not yet done. Hekate Dec 2019 #15
Bull. Gabbard is Ignoring the RULE of LAW & Cha Dec 2019 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author flotsam Dec 2019 #3
Then she's admitting that she's not a leader. She should resign. yardwork Dec 2019 #20
Russian puppet say what? onecaliberal Dec 2019 #4
Wait. She served in the military? FBaggins Dec 2019 #5
Uhh... "Bye Felicia" RockRaven Dec 2019 #6
Perfect response..."Bye, Felicia." She's a non-entity. brush Dec 2019 #36
Bonkers. Take a hike...eom sprinkleeninow Dec 2019 #7
Apparently the courier carrying instructions from Putin got held up on the way grantcart Dec 2019 #8
Her efforts to get Trump re-elected begin in earnest. John Fante Dec 2019 #9
So, Tulsi.... SergeStorms Dec 2019 #10
You can't impeach based on those other things, they're not part of the articles. thesquanderer Dec 2019 #37
I'm aware of that....... SergeStorms Dec 2019 #39
Go straight to hell and send us back a selfie. Grokenstein Dec 2019 #11
lol Cha Dec 2019 #16
Her Job as a Representative... sacto95834 Dec 2019 #12
Gabbard proving once again stopdiggin Dec 2019 #13
She wants attention, it's best to ignore her. Lady_Chat Dec 2019 #14
No point in reasoning with her, it seems, but her argument is easily refuted muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #17
Claiming partisanship as an excuse not to vote for or against duforsure Dec 2019 #18
For people who ask, "why do you call her a Russian plant?" Recursion Dec 2019 #19
+1 yardwork Dec 2019 #21
Not sure about the plant, but certainly an asset, willing or not. (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2019 #38
The partisan argument is such a bs talking point Hav Dec 2019 #22
Soon, I expect she'll be announcing the suspension of her campaign. MineralMan Dec 2019 #23
If she runs as an Independent we should care. She could get the same tiny percent Jill Stein did. pnwmom Dec 2019 #24
I suppose there is that risk, but there's nothing we can do about that. MineralMan Dec 2019 #25
She will draw many more right-wingers than Democrats bluedye33139 Dec 2019 #28
Why doesn't she just change parties and go with her people. redstatebluegirl Dec 2019 #26
She misrepresents Hamilton's meaning bluedye33139 Dec 2019 #27
Ms. Gabbard: Bayard Dec 2019 #29
Just think, if not for Hillary's assist, Tulsi probably would have dropped out by now. redqueen Dec 2019 #30
Well she isn't running for reelection, she's never going to win the presidency, will only meet seaglass Dec 2019 #31
Except that her support is almost entirely from Republicans. redqueen Dec 2019 #33
Who knows, Repubs love Dems who attack their fellow Dems and that's one of Tulsi's skills. She is seaglass Dec 2019 #34
And Bloomberg picked up that support Hav Dec 2019 #35
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pnwmom

(109,021 posts)
1. Sounds like she's getting ready for a 3rd party run. nt
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:44 AM
Dec 2019
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Hekate

(90,959 posts)
15. Yep. Her work is not yet done.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 05:07 AM
Dec 2019

On the plus side, DUers seem to be waking up about her true nature.

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Cha

(297,926 posts)
2. Bull. Gabbard is Ignoring the RULE of LAW &
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:48 AM
Dec 2019

Gaslighting for her own agenda.

The other Dem Rep from Hawaii, Ed Case, is a "Moderate" and voted for Impeachment.

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yardwork

(61,748 posts)
20. Then she's admitting that she's not a leader. She should resign.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:49 AM
Dec 2019

Incapable of making a decision = incompetent.

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onecaliberal

(32,973 posts)
4. Russian puppet say what?
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:52 AM
Dec 2019
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FBaggins

(26,783 posts)
5. Wait. She served in the military?
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:55 AM
Dec 2019

She seems to fit that into almost everything she says.

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RockRaven

(15,062 posts)
6. Uhh... "Bye Felicia"
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:58 AM
Dec 2019

if only that would suffice to rid us of her....

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brush

(53,963 posts)
36. Perfect response..."Bye, Felicia." She's a non-entity.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 02:14 PM
Dec 2019

Who cares what she thinks.

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sprinkleeninow

(20,268 posts)
7. Bonkers. Take a hike...eom
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 02:07 AM
Dec 2019
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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
8. Apparently the courier carrying instructions from Putin got held up on the way
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 02:26 AM
Dec 2019
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John Fante

(3,479 posts)
9. Her efforts to get Trump re-elected begin in earnest.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 02:39 AM
Dec 2019
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SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
10. So, Tulsi....
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 02:52 AM
Dec 2019

you say, "I’ve always worked to do what is in the best interests of our country." Oh, really? You don't believe Donald Trump has done enough damage to our country to deserve impeachment? Kids in cages, separating parents from their children, some of which may never be united as a family again? Gutting the EPA, taking warning labels off of carcinogenic chemicals, making our water and air dirtier and more poisonous than before? Gutting the ACA so millions can't afford any type of healthcare, but offering no alternative like he promised? Stealing money from other programs to pay for his ridiculous wall? Running his mouth like a Tasmanian Devil on methamphetamine, making the U.S. the laughing stock of the world? Sucking up to dangerous and deadly dictators while trashing allies we've cultivated over many decades? These are but a few of the many disastrous policies put forth by Donald Trump, and I haven't even mentioned anything regarding the Mueller Report or the Articles of Impeachment!

Go to hell, Tulsi. You're no more a Democrat than Donald Trump is a decent human being.

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thesquanderer

(11,998 posts)
37. You can't impeach based on those other things, they're not part of the articles.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:24 PM
Dec 2019

But there was enough there to still vote for it.

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SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
39. I'm aware of that.......
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:56 AM
Dec 2019

just trying to run down a little of the litany of bullshit Trump has done to hurt this country, and like I said, that wasn't even touching on the Mueller report or the Articles of Impeachment. Tulsi has to get her head screwed on right, but I think it's too late for that. I think she's looking to be the resident Democratic punching bag on FOX Noise, or some other sinister waste of time.

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Grokenstein

(5,729 posts)
11. Go straight to hell and send us back a selfie.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 02:55 AM
Dec 2019

But thanks for proving that Hillary was absolutely right about you.

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sacto95834

(393 posts)
12. Her Job as a Representative...
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:16 AM
Dec 2019

is to decide if there is evidence that the President committed a high crime or misdemeanor. The Senate tries the President. Its NOT her job to decide what the Senate does.

She doesn't know for sure that the Senate won't remove the Orange Menace. Hope springs eternal.

That said, if she as a Representative won't pass articles of impeachment, the Senate won't be able to consider them.

She wants to censure the President, good. Knowing this Senate, maybe a deal can be reached where the House releases the Articles to the Senate in which the Senate agrees to vote it down, but also agrees to censure the President in return and bring this mess to an end.

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Undecided
 

stopdiggin

(11,404 posts)
13. Gabbard proving once again
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:19 AM
Dec 2019

1) not a Democrat, and 2) is sailing in waters far too deep for her abilities.

A non-decision like this shows less character than an actually no vote. Definition of weasel.

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Undecided
 

Lady_Chat

(561 posts)
14. She wants attention, it's best to ignore her.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 04:15 AM
Dec 2019

She wants to be the center of attention, the more people are talking about her, the more she likes it...don't give her the satisfaction.

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muriel_volestrangler

(101,403 posts)
17. No point in reasoning with her, it seems, but her argument is easily refuted
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 05:16 AM
Dec 2019

"On the one side — The president’s defenders insist that he has done nothing wrong. They agree with the absurd proclamation that his conduct was “perfect.” They have abdicated their responsibility to exercise legitimate oversight, and instead blindly do the bidding of their party’s leader."
OK, that makes sense; she agrees with us the Republicans are putting party before country.

"On the other side — The president’s opponents insist that if we do not impeach, our country will collapse into dictatorship. All but explicitly, they accuse him of treason. Such extreme rhetoric was never conducive to an impartial fact-finding process.

The Founders of our country made clear their concerns about impeachment being a purely partisan exercise. "
But in the previous paragraph, she admitted it's the Republicans who are making it a partisan process! She is handing them a veto over the application of the law. And yeah, if you allow them to do whatever Trump tells them, and refuse to let him be held to account, then you're forming a dictatorship. A dictatorship is literally when everyone blindly does the bidding of a leader, and she's saying she's happy with the Republicans doing that, and won't resist it.

But she's oh-so-concerned with the 'extreme rhetoric' of fighting against that. Even when that rhetoric, as she admits, hasn't actually accused Trump of treason. It's just, for her, accusing him of abuse of power that is 'extreme'.

If Gabbard were on DU, she'd be banned as a troll.

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duforsure

(11,885 posts)
18. Claiming partisanship as an excuse not to vote for or against
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:10 AM
Dec 2019

Does nothing but shows contempt for the rule of law, the truth , abuse of power for personal gain, bribery, extortion, lying, and her oath she took to defend against these crimes against our Democracy, and shows how scared she is of trump and putin. Just another fraud posing as someone who really cares about our country.

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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
19. For people who ask, "why do you call her a Russian plant?"
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:36 AM
Dec 2019

It has a lot to do with repeating Russian talking points like this.

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thesquanderer

(11,998 posts)
38. Not sure about the plant, but certainly an asset, willing or not. (n/t)
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:25 PM
Dec 2019
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Hav

(5,969 posts)
22. The partisan argument is such a bs talking point
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 09:36 AM
Dec 2019

used by the Republicans and it's not surprising that Tulski follows their playbook (again).
By that logic, the President could do whatever he wants. As long as his party stands by him, any impeachment process would be partisan and therefore should not be pursued. It's complete bs by a side that knows they are wrong. You judge a case on its merits, not by taking a count who is taking which side.

It's not that the standards for impeachment have changed from the Democrats' side. It's the Republicans who put party over country and make it partisan by not holding the President accountable for anything.

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MineralMan

(146,345 posts)
23. Soon, I expect she'll be announcing the suspension of her campaign.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 10:52 AM
Dec 2019

I mean, it's obvious to anyone that she has no chance of rising in the polls as a Democratic primary candidate. I'm not sure why she's still in it at this point, frankly.

What she will do after that I do not know, and do not much care.

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pnwmom

(109,021 posts)
24. If she runs as an Independent we should care. She could get the same tiny percent Jill Stein did.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 11:29 AM
Dec 2019

And Stein's voters alone in the 3 key states were enough to swing the election.

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MineralMan

(146,345 posts)
25. I suppose there is that risk, but there's nothing we can do about that.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 11:34 AM
Dec 2019

If she decides to run as a third-party candidate, we can't stop her. So, I'd just as soon see her drop out now.

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bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
28. She will draw many more right-wingers than Democrats
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 11:51 AM
Dec 2019
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redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
26. Why doesn't she just change parties and go with her people.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 11:42 AM
Dec 2019
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bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
27. She misrepresents Hamilton's meaning
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 11:49 AM
Dec 2019

He is explaining difficulties of impeachment. He is not warning against any impeachment that breaks into factions. He is stating that it will break into factions naturally because this is how politics and Game Theory works.

Her misrepresentation is either a profound misreading or deliberate deception. Here's the passage:

"A well-constituted court for the trial of impeachments is an object not more to be desired than difficult to be obtained in a government wholly elective. The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself. The prosecution of them, for this reason, will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly or inimical to the accused. In many cases it will connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and will enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other; and in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt."

This passage does not warn against any impeachment that is not bipartisan. Rather, it argues that any impeachment will be political and partisan. Ugh!

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Bayard

(22,199 posts)
29. Ms. Gabbard:
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 12:45 PM
Dec 2019

Shut up. Go away.

You voted, "Present", yesterday. You are a chickenshit.

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
30. Just think, if not for Hillary's assist, Tulsi probably would have dropped out by now.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 12:47 PM
Dec 2019
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seaglass

(8,173 posts)
31. Well she isn't running for reelection, she's never going to win the presidency, will only meet
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:17 PM
Dec 2019

debate requirements with her libertarian/republican/BoBer supporters and she will never be President - so there's that. Funny how often Hillary is right.

Why should she drop out, she's the same as other low-polling/low-support candidates who have no chance of winning.

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
33. Except that her support is almost entirely from Republicans.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:24 PM
Dec 2019

And she wouldn't be polling where she is if not for the boost.

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seaglass

(8,173 posts)
34. Who knows, Repubs love Dems who attack their fellow Dems and that's one of Tulsi's skills. She is
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:41 PM
Dec 2019

also supported by BoBers.

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
35. And Bloomberg picked up that support
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:44 PM
Dec 2019

Her support has collapsed from both sides now, that's why she didn't qualify. Stop blaming Clinton again and again for calling out the favorite of the Russians.

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