Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumIn full statement, Gabbard calls impeachment a "partisan process", Democrats "extreme".
Washington, DC -- Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D, Hawaii) today released the following statement today on her vote regarding the impeachment of President Trump:
Throughout my life, whether through serving in the military or in Congress, Ive always worked to do what is in the best interests of our country. Not whats best for me politically or whats best for my political party. I have always put our country first. One may not always agree with my decision, but everyone should know that I will always do what I believe to be right for the country that I love.
After doing my due diligence in reviewing the 658-page impeachment report, I came to the conclusion that I could not in good conscience vote either yes or no.
I am standing in the center and have decided to vote Present. I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing.
I also could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting President must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country. When I cast my vote in support of the impeachment inquiry nearly three months ago, I said that in order to maintain the integrity of this solemn undertaking, it must not be a partisan endeavor. Tragically, thats what it has been.
On the one side The presidents defenders insist that he has done nothing wrong. They agree with the absurd proclamation that his conduct was perfect. They have abdicated their responsibility to exercise legitimate oversight, and instead blindly do the bidding of their partys leader.
On the other side The presidents opponents insist that if we do not impeach, our country will collapse into dictatorship. All but explicitly, they accuse him of treason. Such extreme rhetoric was never conducive to an impartial fact-finding process.
The Founders of our country made clear their concerns about impeachment being a purely partisan exercise. In the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton warned against any impeachment that would merely connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other. In such cases, he said, there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.
Donald Trump has violated public trust. Congress must be unequivocal in denouncing the presidents misconduct and stand up for the American people and our democracy. To this end, I have introduced a censure resolution that will send a strong message to this president and future presidents that their abuses of power will not go unchecked, while leaving the question of removing Trump from office to the voters to decide.
I am confident that the American people will decide to deliver a resounding rebuke of President Trumps innumerable improprieties and abuses. And they will express that judgment at the ballot box. That is the way real and lasting change has always occurred in this great country: through the forcefully expressed will of the people.
A house divided cannot stand. And today we are divided. Fragmentation and polarity are ripping our country apart. This breaks my heart, and breaks the hearts of all patriotic Americans, whether we are Democrats, Republicans, or Independents.
So today, I come before you to make a stand for the center, to appeal to all of you to bridge our differences and stand up for the American people.
My vote today is a vote for much needed reconciliation and hope that together we can heal our country. Lets work side-by-side, seeking common ground, to usher in a bright future for the American people and our nation.
https://www.tulsi2020.com/press/2019-12-19-tulsi-gabbard-releases-statement-impeachment-president-trump?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=impeachment_vote
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(90,959 posts)On the plus side, DUers seem to be waking up about her true nature.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,926 posts)Gaslighting for her own agenda.
The other Dem Rep from Hawaii, Ed Case, is a "Moderate" and voted for Impeachment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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yardwork
(61,748 posts)Incapable of making a decision = incompetent.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onecaliberal
(32,973 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FBaggins
(26,783 posts)She seems to fit that into almost everything she says.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RockRaven
(15,062 posts)if only that would suffice to rid us of her....
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brush
(53,963 posts)Who cares what she thinks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
grantcart
(53,061 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)you say, "Ive always worked to do what is in the best interests of our country." Oh, really? You don't believe Donald Trump has done enough damage to our country to deserve impeachment? Kids in cages, separating parents from their children, some of which may never be united as a family again? Gutting the EPA, taking warning labels off of carcinogenic chemicals, making our water and air dirtier and more poisonous than before? Gutting the ACA so millions can't afford any type of healthcare, but offering no alternative like he promised? Stealing money from other programs to pay for his ridiculous wall? Running his mouth like a Tasmanian Devil on methamphetamine, making the U.S. the laughing stock of the world? Sucking up to dangerous and deadly dictators while trashing allies we've cultivated over many decades? These are but a few of the many disastrous policies put forth by Donald Trump, and I haven't even mentioned anything regarding the Mueller Report or the Articles of Impeachment!
Go to hell, Tulsi. You're no more a Democrat than Donald Trump is a decent human being.
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thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)But there was enough there to still vote for it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)just trying to run down a little of the litany of bullshit Trump has done to hurt this country, and like I said, that wasn't even touching on the Mueller report or the Articles of Impeachment. Tulsi has to get her head screwed on right, but I think it's too late for that. I think she's looking to be the resident Democratic punching bag on FOX Noise, or some other sinister waste of time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Grokenstein
(5,729 posts)But thanks for proving that Hillary was absolutely right about you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sacto95834
(393 posts)is to decide if there is evidence that the President committed a high crime or misdemeanor. The Senate tries the President. Its NOT her job to decide what the Senate does.
She doesn't know for sure that the Senate won't remove the Orange Menace. Hope springs eternal.
That said, if she as a Representative won't pass articles of impeachment, the Senate won't be able to consider them.
She wants to censure the President, good. Knowing this Senate, maybe a deal can be reached where the House releases the Articles to the Senate in which the Senate agrees to vote it down, but also agrees to censure the President in return and bring this mess to an end.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
stopdiggin
(11,404 posts)1) not a Democrat, and 2) is sailing in waters far too deep for her abilities.
A non-decision like this shows less character than an actually no vote. Definition of weasel.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lady_Chat
(561 posts)She wants to be the center of attention, the more people are talking about her, the more she likes it...don't give her the satisfaction.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
muriel_volestrangler
(101,403 posts)"On the one side The presidents defenders insist that he has done nothing wrong. They agree with the absurd proclamation that his conduct was perfect. They have abdicated their responsibility to exercise legitimate oversight, and instead blindly do the bidding of their partys leader."
OK, that makes sense; she agrees with us the Republicans are putting party before country.
"On the other side The presidents opponents insist that if we do not impeach, our country will collapse into dictatorship. All but explicitly, they accuse him of treason. Such extreme rhetoric was never conducive to an impartial fact-finding process.
The Founders of our country made clear their concerns about impeachment being a purely partisan exercise. "
But in the previous paragraph, she admitted it's the Republicans who are making it a partisan process! She is handing them a veto over the application of the law. And yeah, if you allow them to do whatever Trump tells them, and refuse to let him be held to account, then you're forming a dictatorship. A dictatorship is literally when everyone blindly does the bidding of a leader, and she's saying she's happy with the Republicans doing that, and won't resist it.
But she's oh-so-concerned with the 'extreme rhetoric' of fighting against that. Even when that rhetoric, as she admits, hasn't actually accused Trump of treason. It's just, for her, accusing him of abuse of power that is 'extreme'.
If Gabbard were on DU, she'd be banned as a troll.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Does nothing but shows contempt for the rule of law, the truth , abuse of power for personal gain, bribery, extortion, lying, and her oath she took to defend against these crimes against our Democracy, and shows how scared she is of trump and putin. Just another fraud posing as someone who really cares about our country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It has a lot to do with repeating Russian talking points like this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)used by the Republicans and it's not surprising that Tulski follows their playbook (again).
By that logic, the President could do whatever he wants. As long as his party stands by him, any impeachment process would be partisan and therefore should not be pursued. It's complete bs by a side that knows they are wrong. You judge a case on its merits, not by taking a count who is taking which side.
It's not that the standards for impeachment have changed from the Democrats' side. It's the Republicans who put party over country and make it partisan by not holding the President accountable for anything.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)I mean, it's obvious to anyone that she has no chance of rising in the polls as a Democratic primary candidate. I'm not sure why she's still in it at this point, frankly.
What she will do after that I do not know, and do not much care.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)And Stein's voters alone in the 3 key states were enough to swing the election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)If she decides to run as a third-party candidate, we can't stop her. So, I'd just as soon see her drop out now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)He is explaining difficulties of impeachment. He is not warning against any impeachment that breaks into factions. He is stating that it will break into factions naturally because this is how politics and Game Theory works.
Her misrepresentation is either a profound misreading or deliberate deception. Here's the passage:
"A well-constituted court for the trial of impeachments is an object not more to be desired than difficult to be obtained in a government wholly elective. The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself. The prosecution of them, for this reason, will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly or inimical to the accused. In many cases it will connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and will enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other; and in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt."
This passage does not warn against any impeachment that is not bipartisan. Rather, it argues that any impeachment will be political and partisan. Ugh!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bayard
(22,199 posts)Shut up. Go away.
You voted, "Present", yesterday. You are a chickenshit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
seaglass
(8,173 posts)debate requirements with her libertarian/republican/BoBer supporters and she will never be President - so there's that. Funny how often Hillary is right.
Why should she drop out, she's the same as other low-polling/low-support candidates who have no chance of winning.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)And she wouldn't be polling where she is if not for the boost.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
seaglass
(8,173 posts)also supported by BoBers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)Her support has collapsed from both sides now, that's why she didn't qualify. Stop blaming Clinton again and again for calling out the favorite of the Russians.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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